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Surely you can see that is what is going on here. I am being judged because I do not agree that others are seeing this subject for it's full value.
But I have clearly stated a couple of times previously that there is nothing wrong with having a custom of water baptism so long as we get onto the life-saving baptism into Christ, the life-giving Word of God where in the real cleansing takes place.
Ironically, Jehovah's Witnesses use many of the same arguments against me when I have occasion to discuss it with them.
But I have clearly stated a couple of times previously that there is nothing wrong with having a custom of water baptism so long as we get onto the life-saving baptism into Christ, the life-giving Word of God where in the real cleansing takes place.
Ironically, Jehovah's Witnesses use many of the same arguments against me when I have occasion to discuss it with them.
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Acts 2
[SUP]37 [/SUP]When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. [SUP]39 [/SUP]The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
[SUP]40 [/SUP]With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” [SUP]41 [/SUP]Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. [SUP]39 [/SUP]The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
[SUP]40 [/SUP]With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” [SUP]41 [/SUP]Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
J
acts 2:38 covers that also 
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
acts 2:38 covers that also
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Gentiles were not accepted until much later and none received John's baptism. No where can you find that they were.
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.." but no mention of Baptism being required is ever made.
Yet we know they too, if they would be of spiritual Israel, needed baptism by the Holy Spirit. And we know that Paul would yet baptize other lost sheep of the house of Israel that same way by John's baptism as they were under the Old Law Covenant.
you do not distinguish what you are seeing.
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J
I know that some baptist will baptize people so they will become members of their church which is really strange if you think about it. They say it is an outward expression, (I know this cause I was baptist growing up) but then after that if they want to move to another church I believe they have to be baptized all over again.
this is found at: About Us - Basic Beliefs
this is found at: About Us - Basic Beliefs
J
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
looked like they was baptized twice, once under John and then after Christ's death they baptized in the name of JESUS.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
looked like they was baptized twice, once under John and then after Christ's death they baptized in the name of JESUS.
Sorry that is incorrect,
Acts 10
The next day Peter started out with them, and some of the believers from Joppa went along. [SUP]24 [/SUP]The following day he arrived in Caesarea. Cornelius was expecting them and had called together his relatives and close friends. [SUP]25 [/SUP]As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. [SUP]26 [/SUP]But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”
[SUP]27 [/SUP]While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. [SUP]28 [/SUP]He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.[SUP]29 [/SUP]So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?”
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Cornelius answered: “Three days ago I was in my house praying at this hour, at three in the afternoon. Suddenly a man in shining clothes stood before me [SUP]31 [/SUP]and said, ‘Cornelius, God has heard your prayer and remembered your gifts to the poor. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. He is a guest in the home of Simon the tanner, who lives by the sea.’ [SUP]33 [/SUP]So I sent for you immediately, and it was good of you to come. Now we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has commanded you to tell us.”
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism [SUP]35 [/SUP]but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. [SUP]36 [/SUP]You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. [SUP]37 [/SUP]You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— [SUP]38 [/SUP]how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]“We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross, [SUP]40 [/SUP]but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. [SUP]41 [/SUP]He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. [SUP]42 [/SUP]He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. [SUP]43 [/SUP]All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
[SUP]44[/SUP]While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. [SUP]45 [/SUP]The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. [SUP]46 [/SUP]For they heard them speaking in tongues[SUP][b][/SUP] and praising God.
Then Peter said, [SUP]47 [/SUP]“Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” [SUP]48 [/SUP]So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
It's quite clear that gentiles were baptized with water as Cornelius,a Gentile was one of the first.
Acts 10
The next day Peter started out with them, and some of the believers from Joppa went along. [SUP]24 [/SUP]The following day he arrived in Caesarea. Cornelius was expecting them and had called together his relatives and close friends. [SUP]25 [/SUP]As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. [SUP]26 [/SUP]But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”
[SUP]27 [/SUP]While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. [SUP]28 [/SUP]He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.[SUP]29 [/SUP]So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?”
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Cornelius answered: “Three days ago I was in my house praying at this hour, at three in the afternoon. Suddenly a man in shining clothes stood before me [SUP]31 [/SUP]and said, ‘Cornelius, God has heard your prayer and remembered your gifts to the poor. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. He is a guest in the home of Simon the tanner, who lives by the sea.’ [SUP]33 [/SUP]So I sent for you immediately, and it was good of you to come. Now we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has commanded you to tell us.”
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism [SUP]35 [/SUP]but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. [SUP]36 [/SUP]You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. [SUP]37 [/SUP]You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— [SUP]38 [/SUP]how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]“We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross, [SUP]40 [/SUP]but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. [SUP]41 [/SUP]He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. [SUP]42 [/SUP]He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. [SUP]43 [/SUP]All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
[SUP]44[/SUP]While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. [SUP]45 [/SUP]The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. [SUP]46 [/SUP]For they heard them speaking in tongues[SUP][b][/SUP] and praising God.
Then Peter said, [SUP]47 [/SUP]“Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” [SUP]48 [/SUP]So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
It's quite clear that gentiles were baptized with water as Cornelius,a Gentile was one of the first.
J
Act_2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act_2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Act_8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Act_8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Act_8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act_8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act_8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Act_9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Act_10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Act_10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Act_11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act_16:15 And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.
Act_16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Act_18:8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.
Act_19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act_19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act_19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act_22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Act_2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Act_8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Act_8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Act_8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act_8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act_8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Act_9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Act_10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Act_10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Act_11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act_16:15 And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.
Act_16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Act_18:8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.
Act_19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act_19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act_19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act_22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
J
ok I understand your point, but I don't ever see in the bible where it says "you can be baptized for an outward showing of your faith." or "you dont have to be baptized"
everywhere I look it is a must. Even JESUS said we had to do it....
Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
everywhere I look it is a must. Even JESUS said we had to do it....
Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
I was wrong.
I am convinced this is pertaining to the Gentile keeper of the prison and his household and it is clearly baptism in water.
Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
Thank you all for helping me fight my way through that.
I did learn much other details of great value through it however and hope others did also.
I am convinced this is pertaining to the Gentile keeper of the prison and his household and it is clearly baptism in water.
Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
Thank you all for helping me fight my way through that.
I did learn much other details of great value through it however and hope others did also.
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