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I won't. He is wrong.
When a person is born again, he spiritually receives all he is going to get from God. He receives the gift of holy spirit. With it comes the ability to operate the nine manifestations. Most people never do anything with it, they wait for God to "douse" them with a second outpouring. They do not realize what they already have. People need to be taught. Most aren't.
When a person is born again, he spiritually receives all he is going to get from God. He receives the gift of holy spirit. With it comes the ability to operate the nine manifestations. Most people never do anything with it, they wait for God to "douse" them with a second outpouring. They do not realize what they already have. People need to be taught. Most aren't.
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And you are the quintessential self-righteous pharisaic "Christian" who "knows" I am not born again, huh?
You couldn't relinquish your pride to admit you were mistaken about what you claimed zone said.
And in case you're going to accuse me of being a zoneite, she and I are miles apart doctrinally speaking.
I have zero respect for you or your opinions. Zip.
And you are the quintessential self-righteous pharisaic "Christian" who "knows" I am not born again, huh?
You couldn't relinquish your pride to admit you were mistaken about what you claimed zone said.
And in case you're going to accuse me of being a zoneite, she and I are miles apart doctrinally speaking.
I have zero respect for you or your opinions. Zip.
Contrary to what some people believe,baptism in water is necessary for salvation,which Jesus stated it,and in another instance said you must be born of water and the Spirit,and the Bible says baptism in water does save us,but not the washing of the flesh,but a good conscience towards God.
The Bible says if we are buried with Him,we shall rise with Him,so to not be water baptized would mean to not rise with Christ to newness of life.
The reason we are to be baptized in water,is so we can identify with Christ as a man,who gave us His human body and is human like us,and we are a living sacrifice unto God.
We are human like Christ according to His humanity,and need to identify with Him in the 3 steps He went through in sacrificing His human body,which some people it might not make sense,but to God it makes sense,and He is more intelligent than us,and some would not understand why blood has to be shed in the first place for us to be saved,so some will think why water baptism for salvation,but it makes sense to God.
1.The sins of the world were placed on Jesus and He died on the cross.We repent of our sins and die out to sin.
2.Jesus was buried and laid down those sins.We are water baptized and lay down our sins,which water baptism is for remission of sins,removal of sins.
3.Jesus arose from the dead.We receive the Holy Spirit are rise to newness of life.
God said it has to be this way,which some might not understand water baptism,but some do not understand why shed blood for salvation,but we do not question that.
The thief can have salvation while on the cross without water baptism,and He did acknowledge Jesus as Lord and Savior,and admitted his guilt of why he was on the cross by saying he deserves this punishment,and said Jesus did not deserve it,which means he would be sorry for all he done wrong,and of course he would mean that he will not sin again.
Jesus died on the cross before the 2 thieves,for when they broke the legs of the 2 thieves to hasten their death,when they came to Jesus He was already dead,which made Pilate marvel that He was dead so soon.
So the blood of Jesus was in effect to wash away sins when He died,which the thief was still alive and the blood could be applied to his life.
But some will say he has to be water baptized or water baptism is not necessary,for the thief was not water baptized,but you can only do what you can do,and God will have mercy if there is nothing you can do about it.
If they would of happened to let the thief off the cross and go free,it would of been required of him to go water baptize him self,seeing he has the opportunity to do,so no excuses,but the thief could do nothing about it,seeing he was hanging on a cross,and God will have mercy,so since he could do nothing about water baptism,but his intention was to do the right thing,then water baptism was applied to his life.
The Bible says if we are buried with Him,we shall rise with Him,so to not be water baptized would mean to not rise with Christ to newness of life.
The reason we are to be baptized in water,is so we can identify with Christ as a man,who gave us His human body and is human like us,and we are a living sacrifice unto God.
We are human like Christ according to His humanity,and need to identify with Him in the 3 steps He went through in sacrificing His human body,which some people it might not make sense,but to God it makes sense,and He is more intelligent than us,and some would not understand why blood has to be shed in the first place for us to be saved,so some will think why water baptism for salvation,but it makes sense to God.
1.The sins of the world were placed on Jesus and He died on the cross.We repent of our sins and die out to sin.
2.Jesus was buried and laid down those sins.We are water baptized and lay down our sins,which water baptism is for remission of sins,removal of sins.
3.Jesus arose from the dead.We receive the Holy Spirit are rise to newness of life.
God said it has to be this way,which some might not understand water baptism,but some do not understand why shed blood for salvation,but we do not question that.
The thief can have salvation while on the cross without water baptism,and He did acknowledge Jesus as Lord and Savior,and admitted his guilt of why he was on the cross by saying he deserves this punishment,and said Jesus did not deserve it,which means he would be sorry for all he done wrong,and of course he would mean that he will not sin again.
Jesus died on the cross before the 2 thieves,for when they broke the legs of the 2 thieves to hasten their death,when they came to Jesus He was already dead,which made Pilate marvel that He was dead so soon.
So the blood of Jesus was in effect to wash away sins when He died,which the thief was still alive and the blood could be applied to his life.
But some will say he has to be water baptized or water baptism is not necessary,for the thief was not water baptized,but you can only do what you can do,and God will have mercy if there is nothing you can do about it.
If they would of happened to let the thief off the cross and go free,it would of been required of him to go water baptize him self,seeing he has the opportunity to do,so no excuses,but the thief could do nothing about it,seeing he was hanging on a cross,and God will have mercy,so since he could do nothing about water baptism,but his intention was to do the right thing,then water baptism was applied to his life.
Thank you again for your post in the predestination thread, but I believe you are wrong here. Water is not necessary.
Acts 1:5) For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Christians are to be baptized in holy spirit, water is no longer required.
Acts 1:5) For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Christians are to be baptized in holy spirit, water is no longer required.
What about the guy hanging on the cross with Jesus who said he believed Christ, and Jesus said "Today you will be with me in paridise." You know not everyone can be baptized read my testimony and you will understand what I mean. Yes it's good to be baptized. But what if? You can't then what your doomed, doomed for all eternity I think not. God is not a God of doom, but redemption which is the whole reason Jesus died for us right? Amen.
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So the blood of Jesus was in effect to wash away sins when He died,which the thief was still alive and the blood could be applied to his life.
I wrote that the blood of Jesus was in effect to apply to the thief's life because Jesus died before the thief,so the thief was saved,but that it not true,and cannot be.
The blood of Christ must of been in effect before He actually died on the cross,at the beginning of the preaching of the Gospel,because not everybody that believed the Gospel during Jesus' three and a half years ministry could have lived until Jesus died on the cross,because some might have been 80 years old and believed at the beginning of the ministry,but only lived 2 years after that,and I'm sure they would of not perished.
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God(John 3:5).
Jesus said you must be born of water and Spirit,to be saved.
20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him(1 Peter 3:20-22).
These scriptures are definitely talking about water baptism,for it compares Noah and his family as being saved by water,to the saints being saved by water,and it says water baptism does save us.
In the book of Acts,Gentiles,Jews,and Samaritans,were all baptized in water,and Peter preached that water goes with the salvation plan of God.
With all the water baptism they did after Jesus died,if it is not necessary for salvation,then what was the purpose of it,for God does not do anything in vain.People cannot say it shows loyalty to a Church,or the Church,or to Christ,because saying you follow Christ is enough,so what is the purpose of water baptism,and if it is required like they tried to stress in the book of Acts,then it has to be part of salvation seeing it is required,or is it an option,and if an option that makes no sense,that God would say you can be baptized or you do not have to be baptized,for with God it is either you have to be baptized or not be baptized,there is no options with God when it comes to water baptism,and they did it a lot in the book of Acts,everybody was water baptized.
I wrote that the blood of Jesus was in effect to apply to the thief's life because Jesus died before the thief,so the thief was saved,but that it not true,and cannot be.
The blood of Christ must of been in effect before He actually died on the cross,at the beginning of the preaching of the Gospel,because not everybody that believed the Gospel during Jesus' three and a half years ministry could have lived until Jesus died on the cross,because some might have been 80 years old and believed at the beginning of the ministry,but only lived 2 years after that,and I'm sure they would of not perished.
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God(John 3:5).
Jesus said you must be born of water and Spirit,to be saved.
20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him(1 Peter 3:20-22).
These scriptures are definitely talking about water baptism,for it compares Noah and his family as being saved by water,to the saints being saved by water,and it says water baptism does save us.
In the book of Acts,Gentiles,Jews,and Samaritans,were all baptized in water,and Peter preached that water goes with the salvation plan of God.
With all the water baptism they did after Jesus died,if it is not necessary for salvation,then what was the purpose of it,for God does not do anything in vain.People cannot say it shows loyalty to a Church,or the Church,or to Christ,because saying you follow Christ is enough,so what is the purpose of water baptism,and if it is required like they tried to stress in the book of Acts,then it has to be part of salvation seeing it is required,or is it an option,and if an option that makes no sense,that God would say you can be baptized or you do not have to be baptized,for with God it is either you have to be baptized or not be baptized,there is no options with God when it comes to water baptism,and they did it a lot in the book of Acts,everybody was water baptized.
Born of water = born on this earth, flesh.
Born of spirit = getting new, spirit powered bodies at the resurrection.
It's not talking about baptism. Look at the context. Nicodemus is asking about birth. And check verse 6.
And even if it was talking about baptism, this was before Christ's death and resurrection, when he said:
Acts 1:5) For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Born of spirit = getting new, spirit powered bodies at the resurrection.
It's not talking about baptism. Look at the context. Nicodemus is asking about birth. And check verse 6.
And even if it was talking about baptism, this was before Christ's death and resurrection, when he said:
Acts 1:5) For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
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Mark 1:4
(4) John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
It is called a baptism of repentance it is a symbol that we have repented of our old life, if we have truly repented it will be shown in outward works by baptism as well as walking with Him.
Matthew 7:17-20
(17) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
(18) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
(19) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
(20) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
(4) John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
It is called a baptism of repentance it is a symbol that we have repented of our old life, if we have truly repented it will be shown in outward works by baptism as well as walking with Him.
Matthew 7:17-20
(17) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
(18) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
(19) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
(20) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
you do not need to be baptised to be saved. Then that would mean if someone gives their life on their death bed; they wasted their time.
But the example that Christ showed is that you get baptised and then receive the Holy Spirit. Was Christ ever without the Holy Spirit? NO. But there is a different dimension of His presence when you are saved when the bible actually talks about the receiving the Holy Spirit.
We need to receive to word of God in proper context
But the example that Christ showed is that you get baptised and then receive the Holy Spirit. Was Christ ever without the Holy Spirit? NO. But there is a different dimension of His presence when you are saved when the bible actually talks about the receiving the Holy Spirit.
We need to receive to word of God in proper context
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As I understand it, that means John knew a change was coming.
I'll find out.... I have not been baptized in water.
...I may have been sprinkled as an infant, I'm not sure..... Would that count?
I'll find out.... I have not been baptized in water.
...I may have been sprinkled as an infant, I'm not sure..... Would that count?
Mark 1:10
(10) And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: