Is Catholocism bad?

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Hate the sin, Love the Sinner
I hate the the wrong theology that the Catholic system teaches.
But the people are worth the same as you and me, Jesus died for every Catholic soul and i believe in loving my neighbour as myself.
 
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TMS said:
Hate the sin, Love the Sinner
I hate the the wrong theology that the Catholic system teaches.
But the people are worth the same as you and me, Jesus died for every Catholic soul and i believe in loving my neighbour as myself.
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Yep, because we love them than we have to tell them that catholic is satanic and demonic religion.

If we do not tell them that their religion is satanic, mean we do not care their soul go to hell.

If we love them than we have to tell them that they must repent or go to hell.

To say catholic is Christian mean hate them, not love them
 
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Jackson123 said:
Yep, because we love them than we have to tell them that catholic is satanic and demonic religion.

If we do not tell them that their religion is satanic, mean we do not care their soul go to hell.

If we love them than we have to tell them that they must repent or go to hell.

To say catholic is Christian mean hate them, not love them
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You're not going to win many, if any, telling them their religion is of the devil. The Gospel needs to be preached and expounded, not the dark side of things. Light, not darkness, Christ, not Satan in my honest opinion.

But your gospel message would be of no avail, they'd turn around and lose their salvation as soon as you're done preaching your message to them. Your gospel is not "good news" it's #fakenews. Just being honest.

Soli Deo Gloria!
 
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Embankment said:
Not saying some of what you have listed here is wrong, in fact some of it is 100% correct.
However many of these things that the Catholic Church condones officially Protestant churches do unofficially or call it something else. Both faiths are guilty of adding to the Bible things that are not there. Most Churches if followed blindly lead to error.
However both faiths have much to offer to bring us closer to God. For example:
The Catholics can be much more spiritually in tune with the living Jesus and his on going plan to defeat satan. Protestants seem to think Jesus only came to get us to heaven and his on going job is done.
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Well, I can only speak for germany. The protestant churches in Germany mostly are worldy and deny that the bible the word of god, but believe it is written from man and because of this not to follow.
The RCC seems not to know grace, but evetybody has to work for his salvation. They dont know salvation assurance, but believe at the end everybody will come into heaven.
And salvation is combined with the belonging to the RCC.
In many moral issues the RCC is more near to the bible then the protestant, but in case of salvation this is not releavant. Almost all of my relatives from my mother side are catholic. But nobody of them is biblical saved. The giung to church and believe they are saved through their baptism as babys.
I can talk to my mother to religious things, but when it comes to the role of Jesus in our live, she changes the thema.
Yes, many take their faith in the doctrine serious. But this doctrine is leading in a false direction.
It makes me wonder that even leading charismatic persons hold on to the catholic doctrines. Ore should it me not wonder!?
 
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Our discussion here won't change the Catholics there.
What are you planning to do to save them?
 
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preacher4truth said:
You're not going to win many, if any, telling them their religion is of the devil. The Gospel needs to be preached and expounded, not the dark side of things. Light, not darkness, Christ, not Satan in my honest opinion.

But your gospel message would be of no avail, they'd turn around and lose their salvation as soon as you're done preaching your message to them. Your gospel is not "good news" it's #fakenews. Just being honest.

Soli Deo Gloria!
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The gospel teach to be honest. If It evil say evil
, If It light say It light. Jesus speak Honestly about pharisees. I wacth David Wood how he preach to muslim. He is Honestly tell them that mohammad Lie, some people come to the Lotd. Also ex muslim Christian Prince, to love muslim, he tell how Lie mohammad was, and some of them come to christ


Yes we have to tell Jesus is God, and we have to tell there Will be one world government in rev 13. Than why not make people aware that pope promote this beast government, to open our catholic brother and sister that catholic work for Lucifer. If they your son, because you love him you have to tell what It is, Jesus tell good news for those who believe in Him, but He also tell bad news (hell) for those who do not believe in Him
 
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Eliyahfire said:
Our discussion here won't change the Catholics there.
What are you planning to do to save them?
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Bible command us to tell the way of salvation, some may not believe, but If among million, one accept the truth, all the angle of the Lord Will make a celeberation party.

Luke 15:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
 
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Jackson123 said:
Bible command us to tell the way of salvation, some may not believe, but If among million, one accept the truth, all the angle of the Lord Will make a celeberation party.

Luke 15:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
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AMEN
 
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Jackson123 said:
The gospel teach to be honest. If It evil say evil
, If It light say It light. Jesus speak Honestly about pharisees. I wacth David Wood how he preach to muslim. He is Honestly tell them that mohammad Lie, some people come to the Lotd. Also ex muslim Christian Prince, to love muslim, he tell how Lie mohammad was, and some of them come to christ


Yes we have to tell Jesus is God, and we have to tell there Will be one world government in rev 13. Than why not make people aware that pope promote this beast government, to open our catholic brother and sister that catholic work for Lucifer. If they your son, because you love him you have to tell what It is, Jesus tell good news for those who believe in Him, but He also tell bad news (hell) for those who do not believe in Him
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Meh...

They need the Gospel, not that there will be a one world government. That isn't the Gospel.

But your gospel is no different than the end result of the Catholic gospel. If they don't maintain their salvation by works to hell they go. You preach the same thing so you are in as much error as the Catholics. So to them you'd just be preaching to the choir.
 
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wolfwint said:
Well, I can only speak for germany. The protestant churches in Germany mostly are worldy and deny that the bible the word of god, but believe it is written from man and because of this not to follow.
The RCC seems not to know grace, but evetybody has to work for his salvation. They dont know salvation assurance, but believe at the end everybody will come into heaven.
And salvation is combined with the belonging to the RCC.
In many moral issues the RCC is more near to the bible then the protestant, but in case of salvation this is not releavant. Almost all of my relatives from my mother side are catholic. But nobody of them is biblical saved. The giung to church and believe they are saved through their baptism as babys.
I can talk to my mother to religious things, but when it comes to the role of Jesus in our live, she changes the thema.
Yes, many take their faith in the doctrine serious. But this doctrine is leading in a false direction.
It makes me wonder that even leading charismatic persons hold on to the catholic doctrines. Ore should it me not wonder!?
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1 Corinthians 12
31 But covet EARNESTLY the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

Seems fairly apparent? SOMEWHERE along the way, "Coveting Earnestly", became so "watered down" and THEN mocked and scoffed into the "WORKS for Salvation" "doctrine!" Which agrees with what you stated, wolfwint!

Now, just where have we seen this happening?

Oh Yeah! A mere 9 verses later? So, one can see it didn't/doesn't take very long at all, in the mocking and scoffing! Just a short 9 verses, in the SAME TEACHING even. To arrive at this point!
1 Corinthians 12
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.


I have to tell ya honestly, umzza? "Human" nature has not changed very much at all, IF, AT ALL, since O.T. days!
Jude
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

IMHO, you can GAIN more that is PROFITABLE, a sittin' right there in yer chair (closet). A praying and reading your Bible, and allowing the Holy Spirit in leading you, then ANY "church of stone" would do for ya!

Unless, of course, you wanna go to a church, to be "buffeted about", by the members therein.

But? That's just my opinion! ;)
 
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TMS said:
Hate the sin, Love the Sinner
I hate the the wrong theology that the Catholic system teaches.
But the people are worth the same as you and me, Jesus died for every Catholic soul and i believe in loving my neighbour as myself.
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And if Catholiciam make the grace of Christ without effect how would doing despite to His grace connect the idea that Christ died for them? We all have different private interpretations personal commentaries of His interpretation as opinions or call heresies. But when it comes to grace a dividing line must be drawn somewhere? I would think we love them by offering the true gospel, not another coming from another Christ, called the Pope .
 
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Let's take initiative this coming January, each in his respective country and city, to share the gospel to Catholics. And by the end of the month each give a feedback.
 
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preacher4truth said:
Meh...

They need the Gospel, not that there will be a one world government. That isn't the Gospel.

But your gospel is no different than the end result of the Catholic gospel. If they don't maintain their salvation by works to hell they go. You preach the same thing so you are in as much error as the Catholics. So to them you'd just be preaching to the choir.
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I do not make the gospel. Gospel say If branch not bear fruit It Will be Cut and burn. It not maintain work, but maintain abide to the tree.

Your gospel say you do not need to abide to the tree

Your gospel against the real gospel.
 
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Interesting video on the origin of the RCC.

 
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Most people with good sense will not follow links.
Too many scoundrels on the internet.
 
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Eliyahfire said:
Our discussion here won't change the Catholics there.
What are you planning to do to save them?
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The only thing people can do is share the gospel.
If the person does not receive it, shake their dust.
This was Jesus' missionary statement to His apostles.
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
Most people with good sense will not follow links.
Too many scoundrels on the internet.
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You can find scoundrels on various Christian forums, so just be sure to test everything in light of scripture, whether something said directly from someone in a post on a Christian forum or from a link to a website.
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
The only thing people can do is share the gospel.
If the person does not receive it, shake their dust. This was Jesus' missionary statement to His apostles.
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The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who BELIEVES... (Romans 1:16).

To believe the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.
 
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