Is God giving America up?

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I would say that the Bible teaches that God could care less about Nations. Instead, God cares about the Remnant. The Lord cares about the Vine of Christ, those of Indestructible, Incorruptible Seed. And who are they? These are the ones who belong to the Covenant Family of Spiritual Circumcision.
But if you read Romans 11, Paul was clear to state that the nation of Israel has not been abandoned, because of God's unique relationship to their physical fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

So while the current nation of Israel has fallen, as a result it open the door for God to save all of us, Jews and gentiles as individuals (Romans 11:11), there will come a time where Israel will once again be God's favored nation, and any gentile who wants to be saved, during that time, will have to bless Israel once again (Matthew 25:31-46).
 

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But if you read Romans 11, Paul was clear to state that the nation of Israel has not been abandoned, because of God's unique relationship to their physical fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

So while the current nation of Israel has fallen, as a result it open the door for God to save all of us, Jews and gentiles as individuals (Romans 11:11), there will come a time where Israel will once again be God's favored nation, and any gentile who wants to be saved, during that time, will have to bless Israel once again (Matthew 25:31-46).
I'm not sure that you understand the angle that you will note that I always come from . . . it is the angle of Spiritual Circumcision. Spiritual Circumcision is the Core of the Bible, and this concept answers so many of the Bibles Mysteries. Therefore, I am asking that you think of the Circumcision of Christ as something like a funnel, in that all people must obtain this process of and through Christ, and if they do not, nothing else matters. Nations do not matter. Being a man does not matter. Being a woman does not matter. Being Jewish does not matter. Being Gentile does not matter. Jesus even shows that the Canaanites, or those from the Seven Nations, are allowed to be lifted of the Curse that stems from Adam and Eve.

It is the Circumcision of Christ that we must understand . . . thoroughly. If we do not, the Bible will remain elusive, though most are even able to realize how little they understand His Good Word. I know, for I was once just as lost as the vast majority. Until we realize that we have been asleep . . . we remain asleep without knowing it.
 
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I'm not sure that you understand the angle that you will note that I always come from . . . it is the angle of Spiritual Circumcision. Spiritual Circumcision is the Core of the Bible, and this concept answers so many of the Bibles Mysteries. Therefore, I am asking that you think of the Circumcision of Christ as something like a funnel, in that all people must obtain this process of and through Christ, and if they do not, nothing else matters. Nations do not matter. Being a man does not matter. Being a woman does not matter. Being Jewish does not matter. Being Gentile does not matter. Jesus even shows that the Canaanites, or those from the Seven Nations, are allowed to be lifted of the Curse that stems from Adam and Eve.

It is the Circumcision of Christ that we must understand . . . thoroughly. If we do not, the Bible will remain elusive, though most are even able to realize how little they understand His Good Word. I know, for I was once just as lost as the vast majority. Until we realize that we have been asleep . . . we remain asleep without knowing it.
I have used scripture to backup my points.

You can take your time to read them later to understand what I am saying. Romans 11 especially, is a great chapter to understand Israel and the Body of Christ

I agree with you, in the Body of Christ which all of us are saved now, Jews and gentile does not matter (Galatians 3:8).

However, it does not follow that it will always be like that. That is why Paul urged unbelieving gentiles not to take their time to get into the Body of Christ in this age of grace (Romans 11)

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

When the Body of Christ is removed from this Earth, before God restore the nation of Israel back to "favored" status, to graft the Jews into "their own olive tree", that is when gentiles would be cut off.
 

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I have used scripture to backup my points.

You can take your time to read them later to understand what I am saying. Romans 11 especially, is a great chapter to understand Israel and the Body of Christ

I agree with you, in the Body of Christ which all of us are saved now, Jews and gentile does not matter (Galatians 3:8).

However, it does not follow that it will always be like that. That is why Paul urged unbelieving gentiles not to take their time to get into the Body of Christ in this age of grace (Romans 11)

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

When the Body of Christ is removed from this Earth, before God restore the nation of Israel back to "favored" status, to graft the Jews into "their own olive tree", that is when gentiles would be cut off.
Okie Doke.
 
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Not to derail this thread, but you might want to go back and reread Exodus chapter 19:

[3] And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
[4] Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
[5] Now therefore, IF ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, THEN ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
[6] And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

The possibility of Israel being "an holy nation" was an IF/THEN proposition from the beginning, and they rarely ever kept their end of the agreement.

Not only this, but this proposition DEFINITELY includes Gentiles.

For example, in direct correlation to this proposition, we read:

I Peter chapter 2

[2] As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
[3] If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
[4] To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
[5] Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
[6] Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
[7] Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
[8] And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
[9] But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
[10] Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Immediately after rightly describing how many/most Israelites had stumbled over the "stone of stumbling, and rock of offense" by rejecting Christ, Peter said "but YE ARE a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, AN HOLY NATION", and this "ye", in context, definitely included GENTILE BELIEVERS IN CHRIST or those "which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy".
In 1 Peter 1, Peter was preaching the strangers scattered abroad, which could only refer to Israel and Jews.

Gentiles do not belong to any nation who had a covenant with God, so they could not have been described as scattered.
Sorry, but you're wrong, and you'd be well-advised to just admit it and to adjust your theology accordingly.

Peter was clearly writing to both Jews and Gentiles, and the verses which he cited from the prophet Hosea were not only spoken in regard to GENTILES in their original context, but also interpreted that way by the Apostle Paul.

We read:

Romans chapter 9

[22] What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
[23] And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
[24] Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
[25] As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
[26] And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
 
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Sorry, but you're wrong, and you'd be well-advised to just admit it and to adjust your theology accordingly.

Peter was clearly writing to both Jews and Gentiles, and the verses which he cited from the prophet Hosea were not only spoken in regard to GENTILES in their original context, but also interpreted that way by the Apostle Paul.

We read:

Romans chapter 9

[22] What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
[23] And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
[24] Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
[25] As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
[26] And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
You want 1 Peter to be writing to gentiles, thus you will naturally think I am wrong.

But unlike you, I won't say things like "you better repent, God is watching" etc etc. ;)

I can accept that different people would have different interpretations about scripture
 
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You want 1 Peter to be writing to gentiles, thus you will naturally think I am wrong.

But unlike you, I won't say things like "you better repent, God is watching" etc etc. ;)

I can accept that different people would have different interpretations about scripture
It's not a matter of what I want.

It's a matter of what Peter actually said and you are ignoring because it flies directly in the face of your currently held wrong beliefs.

I see that the sword of the Spirit that got stuck in you a week or so ago is still bothering you.

Good.

I'm not pulling it out, and God won't either unless you take heed to it.
 
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It's not a matter of what I want.

It's a matter of what Peter actually said and you are ignoring because it flies directly in the face of your currently held wrong beliefs.

I see that the sword of the Spirit that got stuck in you a week or so ago is still bothering you.

Good.

I'm not pulling it out, and God won't either unless you take heed to it.
You are so cute, why do you think the world must always revolve around your perspective? :)
 

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They never do. They always preface it or follow it up with some caveat. There are some on this forum that can't even type it in.
I don't have that problem... :)

"The Lord Jesus Christ is my savior, out side of him there is no salvation."

1 Corinthians 12:

3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

"Jesus is Lord!"
 
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You are so cute, why do you think the world must always revolve around your perspective? :)
It's not my perspective, and I'm not too comfortable with guys telling me that I'm "cute".

Perhaps you should bring that before the Lord as well.

Anyhow, Paul properly understand that Hosea's quote pertained to GENTILES as did Peter.

You?

Well, you're currently blinded by your own unscriptural position which you tenaciously cling to.

Your choice.
 
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America is in sin, she is not being punished. She is just suffering the result of turning her back on God and having Gods protective hands removed,
 

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What do you expect from New Age hypocrite Oprah? It is simply amazing how so many gullible women got sucked into her show and her ideology. Now she is playing the race card for all its worth, and no one is challenging her.
Uh, what? No men get sucked in? Wow! How's that work? :unsure::giggle: Especially
considering Oprah promotes the ideologies and work of certain men...
 
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I take it that you don't realize that you're doing the very thing you're accusing another of doing, do you?
I already stated to him
But unlike you, I won't say things like "you better repent, God is watching" etc etc. ;)

I can accept that different people would have different interpretations about scripture
Did you read that post?
 
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It's not my perspective, and I'm not too comfortable with guys telling me that I'm "cute".

Perhaps you should bring that before the Lord as well.

Anyhow, Paul properly understand that Hosea's quote pertained to GENTILES as did Peter.

You?

Well, you're currently blinded by your own unscriptural position which you tenaciously cling to.

Your choice.
Naturally, there will be many people here in this forum that tend to assume that how they interpret the scripture, happens to coincide with what scripture also plainly says.
 
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I already stated to him

But unlike you, I won't say things like "you better repent, God is watching" etc etc. ;)

I can accept that different people would have different interpretations about scripture

Did you read that post?
In other words, you won't tell sinners that they need to repent?

Good to know...