Is God Good?

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reneweddaybyday

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garee said:
God willfully left .
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Did God leave Adam and Eve? No. They sinned ... no longer was the fellowship intimate, but Adam and Eve hid themselves from Father. And God called out to Adam. (Gen 3:9)

When Cain became very angry and his countenance fell because his offering was not accepted, Who went after in an attempt to bring him to bring him back to fellowship? (Gen 4:6)

God continues to reach out to mankind to this day ...
 
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reneweddaybyday said:
Did God leave Adam and Eve? No. They sinned ... no longer was the fellowship intimate, but Adam and Eve hid themselves from Father. And God called out to Adam. (Gen 3:9)

When Cain became very angry and his countenance fell because his offering was not accepted, Who went after in an attempt to bring him to bring him back to fellowship? (Gen 4:6)

God continues to reach out to mankind to this day ...
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Yes he offered something that was forbidden . His own idea coming from his own fleshly mind. The cause of the fall. "self will".

Yes his glory departed after they chose to listen to the voice of a stranger

He willfully left setting up the condition beforehand. .
 
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reneweddaybyday

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garee said:
Yes he offered something that was forbidden .
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What "offer"? Where did God "offer" Adam "something that was forbidden"? chapter and verse.




garee said:
He willfully left setting up the condition beforehand. .
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I have no idea what you are trying to say here. please clarify. Thanks.



 
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garee said:
.Jesus resisted men bowing down to him as a form of worship.
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when?

in Matthew 8:2, Matthew 9:18, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 15:25, Matthew 20:20, Matthew 28:17, Mark 5:6, John 9:38 and John 20:28 Jesus received worship without rebuking the people worshiping Him and not resisting them bowing down to Him.

He is called "Lord" a term of reverent worship over and over and over and over.


you keep saying Jesus resisted being worshiped, Garee, but i know of no place ever that this is true. i know of many places where He certainly did not rebuke those who bowed before Him or spoke to Him recognizing Him as God-unseen being made manifest & seen, an attitude of worship.

can you point me to any passage at all where Jesus did what you say He did?
when did He ever tell anyone bowing before Him to get up and worship God only?
He didn't -- and that is one of many proofs that He is I AM THAT I AM manifest in the flesh, the invisible made visible.
 
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garee said:
Mark 10:16-18 King James Version (KJV) And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.
And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
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Jesus did not tell this man to stop kneeling.
Jesus asked him a question -- because the man called Him 'rabbi' instead of calling Him 'Lord'
 
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garee said:
Yes he offered something that was forbidden .
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what would it mean if Cain brought figs -- what would Cain be saying? how evil would that be? instead of a lamb?

suppose it were Pascha, and you took fig juice and put it on the door of your house instead of the blood of a lamb -- what would you be doing?


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Yes his glory departed after they chose to listen to the voice of a stranger
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Adam 'listened to the voice of his wife' -- was she a stranger?
but Adam was not deceived -- and like @reneweddaybyday is pointing out to us, the glory came down looking for Adam, called to him.
and Adam responded, confessing his sin -- he heard the voice of God, listened, and tried to hide no longer.
 
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posthuman said:
when?

in Matthew 8:2, Matthew 9:18, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 15:25, Matthew 20:20, Matthew 28:17, Mark 5:6, John 9:38 and John 20:28 Jesus received worship without rebuking the people worshiping Him and not resisting them bowing down to Him.

He is called "Lord" a term of reverent worship over and over and over and over.


you keep saying Jesus resisted being worshiped, Garee, but i know of no place ever that this is true. i know of many places where He certainly did not rebuke those who bowed before Him or spoke to Him recognizing Him as God-unseen being made manifest & seen, an attitude of worship.

can you point me to any passage at all where Jesus did what you say He did?
when did He ever tell anyone bowing before Him to get up and worship God only?
He didn't -- and that is one of many proofs that He is I AM THAT I AM manifest in the flesh, the invisible made visible.
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True lord means master, a reverent term but it doesn’t mean a god, or the God. They thought He was the anointed Messiah, a prophetic man and king. Not until His resurrection and the filling of the Holy Spirit did they put the pieces together.
 
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kaylagrl said:
Umm I'm afraid to ask your opinion....
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What does scripture say? Did he tell Abraham to murder (sacrifice) Issac? Which test Abraham passed, even though God provided a substitute?
 
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kaylagrl said:
I'm mocking you and your lack of wit ;)

ps I'm not looking to be your enemy, but you tossed it over the net and I hit it back
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God knows the intent of our hearts.
 
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posthuman said:
Jesus is God, and no one takes His life from Him; He lays it down & takes it up again of His own choosing.
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“Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:” Acts 2:23 (KJV 1900)
 
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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
Thou shalt not kill is really Thou shalt not murder. So if God murdered the Christ, He sinned. If He sinned, He is not God, but just like you or I. You really wanna go this route, friend?
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What we are saying is God cannot sin, because there is no other god he must obey. To deliberately kill Jesus is murder, but God is not bound by the same laws he provides for us.

“Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:” Acts 2:23 (KJV 1900)
 
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Magenta said:
When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; James 1:13
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But he leads people into positions where their lust overcomes them.
 
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posthuman said:
By His own determined council, fulfilling the Word spoken through Zechariah, they pierced Him
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Like buying the gun knowing a thug was planning to kill someone with it?
 
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Dave-L said:
What we are saying is God cannot sin, because there is no other god he must obey. To deliberately kill Jesus is murder, but God is not bound by the same laws he provides for us.
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What you are saying is that you call God a murderer who cannot be brought to justice

Another word for this is blasphemy.
 
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posthuman said:
What you are saying is that you call God a murderer who cannot be brought to justice

Another word for this is blasphemy.
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Had he not killed Jesus, the Lamb of God, true believers would not exist and all will end up in hell.
 
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Dave-L said:
Had he not killed Jesus, the Lamb of God, true believers would not exist and all will end up in hell.
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Christ is God.
No one takes His life from Him; He lays it down and takes it up again.

There is no darkness in Him.
He is not a murderer.
 
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posthuman said:
Christ is God.
No one takes His life from Him; He lays it down and takes it up again.

There is no darkness in Him.
He is not a murderer.
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So it didn't matter that he died on the cross (was murdered) for sin?
 
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Dave-L said:
Like buying the gun knowing a thug was planning to kill someone with it?
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No,
Like jumping on a grenade in order to save your life and become a propitiation for your blasphemy.
 
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