Is God Good?

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The Law is now replaced by the New Covenant. Love in our hearts directs us away from sin and condemns us if we sin.

Same covenant fulfilled in Christ by the law of faith to perform the the letter death could not called a work of faith. Same covenant of that labor of Love that works in our hearts directing us away from sin and condemns us if we sin.
 
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Same covenant fulfilled in Christ by the law of faith to perform the the letter death could not called a work of faith. Same covenant of that labor of Love that works in our hearts directing us away from sin and condemns us if we sin.
God replaced the OC with the New.
 
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And you are the dictionary?
The Bible is its own dictionary. Satan is a murdering from the beginning. The law requires a murder must die .God cannot die or lie . Both of those requirements are attributed to the antichrist.

Satan the serial killer .His motive of operation out of sight out of mind .

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
 

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Murder is the planned killing of an innocent person.

John 10:17-18
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17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

Jesus gave His life as a ransom for many.

Mark 10:45 King James Version (KJV)
45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Gave His life. Not murder, but sacrifice.
 
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John 10:17-18
King James Version

17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

Jesus gave His life as a ransom for many.

Mark 10:45 King James Version (KJV)
45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Gave His life. Not murder, but sacrifice.
Why did Jesus pray, not my will but thine?
 

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Why did Jesus pray, not my will but thine?
Are not the Father and the Son one? 😉

He was fully man too, He did bleed and did feel pain. He was human. What man chooses to suffer excruciating pain? All our senses would oppose such, yet did Christ do so, suffer, for our sake.
 
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Are not the Father and the Son one? 😉

He was fully man too, He did bleed and did feel pain. He was human. What man chooses to suffer excruciating pain? All our senses would oppose such, yet did Christ do so, suffer, for our sake.
Two different persons one being.
 

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Two different persons one being.
And of one accord in unity. The Father sent the Son and the Son died with the joy set before Him; the reconciliation of the saints. He was about the Father’s business, the redemption of mankind. Forget not that Jesus is divine, He is God.
 
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God replaced the OC with the New.
He modified the covenant of the law now that the work was done. It has always been by faith the unseen eternal . The mystery was hid in the old. By faith Abel became the first martyr according to the unseen spirit of the law. The law of faith. Cain died under the letter he was given no faith needed to believe God. lawlessness

He no more replaced the letter of the law then did the word Christian replace the name Israel. They complete each other one bride. The law of faith completes the letter of the law as one complete circuit from end to end no separation . The perfect law not in parts (Psalms 19:7-14)
 

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Gordon Clark solved for many the problem of Evil. This is a bare-bones summary worth looking into if interested.

Clark first asks; "How can the existence of God be harmonized with the existence of evil?"

If God is all-good, He would want to destroy evil.

If God is all-powerful, He is able to destroy evil. But evil still exists.

It seems that God cannot be both all-good and all-powerful. However, Christianity teaches that He is both. This is the problem of evil."

Clark stated that "God's causing a man to sin is not sin. There is no law, superior to God, which forbids him to decree sinful acts. Sin presupposes a law, for sin is lawlessness." Clark explained that "God is above law" because "the laws that God imposes on men do not apply to the divine nature."
From where do we get the Law, but by the nature of God? Gordon Clark thinks God is above His Law, but God is not above His nature, and that Law is defined by His nature. Does not His word say to not be deceived for the righteous commit righteousness? God can no more commit evil than love can be defined as sin. Love is love, and God is love.

There are absolutes set in play here. God does not supersede righteousness, as if He can do what He pleases and call it good. For then morality is subjective and as is explained in His word of the evils of men, they call good evil and evil good. Good and evil are definite standards, absolute and objective.

What Clark fails to realize is that God is just and His wrath is impeccably pure. The penalty for sin is death, and He is the righteous judge. Yet, God is merciful. He is long suffering that all would come to repentance. He much rather have a man repent and change His ways than for Him to have to bring judgement. He wishes for men to choose good and not evil.
 
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Two different persons one being.
One person our High priest, high apostle, one earthen body of death .The voice of the unseen father working in the Son of man to both will and do the good pleasure of God.
 

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God is the lawgiver. You make the law God if he must obey it = serious error.
No you make God a sinner if He breaks it. The law is Gods nature. I didn't think this was a controversial thing to say. Saying He is "above the law" is separating God from it, as if the law isn't His very nature. Nobody is saying the law is God, but God is in nature perfect by the laws standard, the law is set by His nature, or the way He is in truth. You can't separate the two, and the way you say it seems to suggest God can transgress His law without having actual "broken it" because He's above it. NO! Just NO! This line of thinking turns God into a tyrannical hypocrite unworthy of any praise or worship. I'm not sure I'm following you here exactly, but if I'm not misunderstanding what you're suggesting here somehow, this is a dangerous line of thinking and worldview, couple this with your extreme view of Gods sovereignty, and you are the perfect candidate for some kind of "I'm chosen to bring this judgement to these people, self righteous holy wrath unleashed" lunatic spree.
No body is saying God must "obey" His law, but you tell me, can He break it? Can God transgress His law? That's what I hear you suggesting.
 

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Murder is the planned killing of an innocent person.
It was the plotting religious leaders/Judas under the influence of Satan who murdered Jesus.
If you are attending a Church fellowship that teaches a doctrine that God is a murderer....get out....now! If you are teaching this doctrine stop it immediately.

John 8:40
But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing.

Luke 22:3
Then Satan entered Judas Iscariot, who was one of the Twelve.

Luke 22:53
When I was with you day after day in the temple [enclosure], you did not stretch forth [your] hands against Me. But this is your hour—and the power [which] darkness [gives you has its way].
 

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No you make God a sinner if He breaks it. The law is Gods nature. I didn't think this was a controversial thing to say. Saying He is "above the law" is separating God from it, as if the law isn't His very nature. Nobody is saying the law is God, but God is in nature perfect by the laws standard, the law is set by His nature, or the way He is in truth. You can't separate the two, and the way you say it seems to suggest God can transgress His law without having actual "broken it" because He's above it. NO! Just NO! This line of thinking turns God into a tyrannical hypocrite unworthy of any praise or worship. I'm not sure I'm following you here exactly, but if I'm not misunderstanding what you're suggesting here somehow, this is a dangerous line of thinking and worldview, couple this with your extreme view of Gods sovereignty, and you are the perfect candidate for some kind of "I'm chosen to bring this judgement to these people, self righteous holy wrath unleashed" lunatic spree.
No body is saying God must "obey" His law, but you tell me, can He break it? Can God transgress His law? That's what I hear you suggesting.
This person is saying that God is a murderer. Now he is calling God the lawless one.
What's next calling God a liar?
 

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Dave-L said:
God is the lawgiver. You make the law God if he must obey it = serious error.

No you make God a sinner if He breaks it. The law is Gods nature. I didn't think this was a controversial thing to say. Saying He is "above the law" is separating God from it, as if the law isn't His very nature. Nobody is saying the law is God, but God is in nature perfect by the laws standard, the law is set by His nature, or the way He is in truth. You can't separate the two, and the way you say it seems to suggest God can transgress His law without having actual "broken it" because He's above it. NO! Just NO! This line of thinking turns God into a tyrannical hypocrite unworthy of any praise or worship. I'm not sure I'm following you here exactly, but if I'm not misunderstanding what you're suggesting here somehow, this is a dangerous line of thinking and worldview, couple this with your extreme view of Gods sovereignty, and you are the perfect candidate for some kind of "I'm chosen to bring this judgement to these people, self righteous holy wrath unleashed" lunatic spree.No body is saying God must "obey" His law, but you tell me, can He break it? Can God transgress His law? That's what I hear you suggesting.

Way to go Jimbone. God's law is ever present and it can teach us many things about God and ourselves. But, we can't treat it lightly if we expect any feedback. So, like Psalm 1 says: we not only meditate on it, day and night, but we also delight in it. Praise His holy name.
 
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have any of ya'll asked yourselves 'why (dave-l) is being 'allowed' to even keep posting here in this
(chistian-forum)??? and challenging others???

THINK ABOUT IT!!!
 

cv5

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have any of ya'll asked yourselves 'why (dave-l) is being 'allowed' to even keep posting here in this
(chistian-forum)??? and challenging others???

THINK ABOUT IT!!!
Agreed. This person is trolling no doubt about it. And up to no good.
 
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It was the plotting religious leaders/Judas under the influence of Satan who murdered Jesus.
If you are attending a Church fellowship that teaches a doctrine that God is a murderer....get out....now! If you are teaching this doctrine stop it immediately.

John 8:40
But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing.

Luke 22:3
Then Satan entered Judas Iscariot, who was one of the Twelve.

Luke 22:53
When I was with you day after day in the temple [enclosure], you did not stretch forth [your] hands against Me. But this is your hour—and the power [which] darkness [gives you has its way].
“Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:” Acts 2:23 (KJV 1900)
 
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No you make God a sinner if He breaks it. The law is Gods nature. I didn't think this was a controversial thing to say. Saying He is "above the law" is separating God from it, as if the law isn't His very nature. Nobody is saying the law is God, but God is in nature perfect by the laws standard, the law is set by His nature, or the way He is in truth. You can't separate the two, and the way you say it seems to suggest God can transgress His law without having actual "broken it" because He's above it. NO! Just NO! This line of thinking turns God into a tyrannical hypocrite unworthy of any praise or worship. I'm not sure I'm following you here exactly, but if I'm not misunderstanding what you're suggesting here somehow, this is a dangerous line of thinking and worldview, couple this with your extreme view of Gods sovereignty, and you are the perfect candidate for some kind of "I'm chosen to bring this judgement to these people, self righteous holy wrath unleashed" lunatic spree.
No body is saying God must "obey" His law, but you tell me, can He break it? Can God transgress His law? That's what I hear you suggesting.
If God can sin, the Law is God, not him.