Is God victorious is your spirit or are demons present also?

[PeterJens]

Christiains cannot be possessed...possession denotes ownership

I have cast demons out of people...I am not a so called deliverance minister..

I have seen enough behavior in Christians that is demon influenced that I am not going to lie to save face here or to save myself from sounding like a nut...to know that Christians need help in this area. And no, I do not think everything is a demon nor do I think that bad behavior or sin is the devil's 'fault'

Avoiding double speak.

In your view, demons do not possess anything.
Christians can be demon influenced.

You have cast out demons.

Have you ever cast out demons from Christians?
How did this manifest itself, and how did you know these were christians in the
first place?

So it could be said demons are present in Christians lives and need to be cast out.

Is this your position?

I say the above because I have found many are prepared to hold various views that
would be described differently than the person uses, but they obscure their true position
because of the reaction it creates. Unfortunately many have done this so I would hope
you could clarify your position, unless ofcourse you do not want to.

 

[PeterJens]

“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.” This principle includes all forms of lying.

Lauren thankyou for this reminder. It is hard to clearly define peoples positions
unless they come openly and show it. My intention is not to slander anyone or lie
but to find the truth about what people believe and draw what conclusions one can
with scripture.

I spoke at length with a man who had a deliverance ministry, and he felt he had
helped a lot of people. In the past I remember someone suggesting whole churches
were controlled by demons. So I assume nothing.

 

[PeterJens]

you have screwed up what I posted so badly I am not even going to try to untangle it
I think people here know better and are catching on regarding your posting style
enough said
I will just make note, once again, that I do not believe Christians are owned by the devil
I do think some of them serve him nonetheless

So in reality I am quoting simply from someones analysis of demon possession.
I am commenting it is different apparently from what you are contributing.

So I have not screwed anything up, I am just putting another perspective on the subject.
That is how discussions progress, but obviously you do not like this.

People of the Kingdom never serve satan. But that appears to be your suggestion.
This is a very dangerous suggestion, but not uncommon from the type of fellowships
and people you share with. It leads to defaming people merely because of a feeling or
a sense which is how many have reacted to me. This is the world of spiritualism and
things beyond the veil etc.

By the way casting out of demons does not mean one even knows the Lord, the
pharisees even did this, and Jesus had little regard for the spiritual knowledge.

 

[Stephen63]

It's the people that reject the grace of Christ and malign other believers when they don't agree with what they have been taught by their religious teachings - these are the ones that are deceived by the enemies evil religious spirits with all their lies and deceptions.

It is obvious that Christians can have their minds filled with all kinds of nonsense and think it's godly. I wonder where that influence comes from? ( we know it doesn't come from Christ or our Father )

The very ones that espouse with some words that we are to walk in righteousness and purity are the very same ones that exhibit this continuous insulting of others and this atrocious behavior is deemed to be ok and godly to them. It just boggles my mind when I read some of the stuff posted from supposedly godly people.

People of the world and other Christians know the difference when this behavior is being exhibited. This kind of behavior is exactly why the name of Christ is maligned and rejected by people.

Even Gandhi knew the difference and this meme speaks volumes to us.

No offense, but Ghandi was a sinner, & since he NEVER got saved, his opinions are less than nothing to me. If we don't believe other sinners, why believe him? Oh, wait..... he's famous..... that brings his credibility up to..... zero.

 

[Stephen63]

you have screwed up what I posted so badly I am not even going to try to untangle it

I think people here know better and are catching on regarding your posting style

enough said

I will just make note, once again, that I do not believe Christians are owned by the devil

I do think some of them serve him nonetheless

I am also curious that you're saying no one is "possessed", cause you made the statement "they possess the demon" instead.

All I ask is you re-explain that statement. Thanks.

 

[Grace777x70]

No offense, but Ghandi was a sinner, & since he NEVER got saved, his opinions are less than nothing to me. If we don't believe other sinners, why believe him? Oh, wait..... he's famous..... that brings his credibility up to..... zero.

I agree...but it shows that people in the world know the difference between real love and hypocrisy. They can also spot religious nonsense and they end up rejecting Christ because of how we portray Him.

In essence they are really rejecting what some of us say about Him and He is nothing like religious people portray Him to be.

 

[pottersclay]

Lauren thankyou for this reminder. It is hard to clearly define peoples positions
unless they come openly and show it. My intention is not to slander anyone or lie
but to find the truth about what people believe and draw what conclusions one can
with scripture.

I spoke at length with a man who had a deliverance ministry, and he felt he had
helped a lot of people. In the past I remember someone suggesting whole churches
were controlled by demons. So I assume nothing.

No such thing as a deliverance ministry.

 

[pottersclay]

James 4:7 ►
New International Version
Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you

That's my girl ...thankyou

 

[RobbyEarl]

Jesus is all about deliverance or did you read the bible you know the one that say's Holy on the front?

 

[pottersclay]

When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to him, and he drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick.
Matt 8:16

When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. Then it goes and takes seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first.”
Luke 11:24-26

The picture is of people being set free from possession but unless they
fill themselves with the spirit of God, there end state will be worse.

The general opinion here is demons cannot possess christians.

Lauren is the only exception to date.

Why do you do this Pete....what is the point...I have not read her responses but really this is what we do. My wife is a believer born again but she doesn't believe in tongues....so is she a half believer? I speak in tongues.

Now Lauren and I got our differences and she doesn't need me to defend her at all...she's grumpier than I am at times ....but really.....I think you owe her a apology. What's right is right.

 

[RobbyEarl]

Why do you do this Pete....what is the point...I have not read her responses but really this is what we do. My wife is a believer born again but she doesn't believe in tongues....so is she a half believer? I speak in tongues.

Now Lauren and I got our differences and she doesn't need me to defend her at all...she's grumpier than I am at times ....but really.....I think you owe her a apology. What's right is right.

Speaking in tongues nor the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a condition of being saved. It is a gift. Most baptist are saved and good people yet they refuse the baptism of the Holy Spirit according to the scripture. Yet they are good people and love the Lord. This will be held against them at the judgment, However they are saved. Amen

 

[LaurenTM]

No such thing as a deliverance ministry.

exactly

I once had a lengthy discussion with an older pastor who insisted that was a legit ministry

he went back to the Bible, came back to me and said I was right

I am not a grumpy person potter's...I am straight forward and not given to flattery

if you met me in person, you would not call me grumpy in the least...I understand sometimes I am taken that way

anyway, I am glad to see someone else stating the truth here regarding the so called deliverance ministry

 

[LaurenTM]

I am also curious that you're saying no one is "possessed", cause you made the statement "they possess the demon" instead.

All I ask is you re-explain that statement. Thanks.

I will do you one better

I began a thread that explains it all in detail

that should clarify things

THREAD

 

[pottersclay]

exactly

I once had a lengthy discussion with an older pastor who insisted that was a legit ministry

he went back to the Bible, came back to me and said I was right

I am not a grumpy person potter's...I am straight forward and not given to flattery

if you met me in person, you would not call me grumpy in the least...I understand sometimes I am taken that way

anyway, I am glad to see someone else stating the truth here regarding the so called deliverance ministry

You know I love ya in Christ saint....come on smile.....good enough now back to are regularly scheduled sword clanging.

 

[PeterJens]

I have not found the thread that Lauren refers to explains her definition at all.

It appears some people are convinced that oppression of christians happens and there
are signs of it in the health of some believers.

There is no biblical foundation for this, but if deliverence ministries bring release
and resolution, then that is a good thing.

The problem maybe there are two aspects of spiritual influence, real possession of
unbelievers and some kind of oppression of a believer which they are unaware of.

The confusing thing is people want to redefine scripture and say believers are ignorant
and wrong about spiritual realities, rather than there maybe more complexity to the
influence evil forces have within the world.

If I question this or want clearer definition I am told I am wrong, and they refuse to
define there propositions. This is not good fruit or even something the Lord would
agree with. What do they have to fear from clearly saying what they mean.