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human, as creatures should have choice to do evil deeds or good deeds. Until manifestation of these choices by creatures, and their consequences of evil or good, human should have experiences of these effects. Do not bring God into judgement seat done by human. These bad and sufferings of human consequences are from wicked decisions of those who are dominated by wicked greediness.
God chose to work with a universe governed by time. And so the universe requires a passage of time to be transformed from the imperfect to the perfect. So let's apply the same principle to God creating a universe governed by time. Because if he is omnipotent, then he should be able to instantly perfect (i.e. simultaneously infuse with love, eternal life, obedience, free-will, etc.) an imperfect (i.e. sinful) universe whose perfection requires a passage of time, right? Actually, isn't that kind of like saying, "Can God create a limited universe that is unlimited?" That's another question that supposedly challenges his omnipotence, and I've shown above how it can be derived from the argument of Epicurus. But here's a similar question:
Can God make a rock so big even he can't lift it?
And simply stated that proposition is this: can infinity be so infinite that it's finite?
Well, can infinity be so infinite that it's finite? If you supply a satisfactory answer to this, then you'll have a satisfactory answer to Epicurus' question.
Can God make a rock so big even he can't lift it?
And simply stated that proposition is this: can infinity be so infinite that it's finite?
Well, can infinity be so infinite that it's finite? If you supply a satisfactory answer to this, then you'll have a satisfactory answer to Epicurus' question.
Well, God doesn't hate you. In fact, he loves you so much he sent his Son to die on the cross before your knew him, which would be now for you, I guess.
"But God demonstrates his love for us in this that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8
And as far as sin and evil, look at this passage, and see if you can figure out who is the problem when it comes to evil.
"Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, [SUP]20 [/SUP]idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,[SUP]21 [/SUP]envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." Gal. 5:19-21
And if you want to know who created all the good things in this world, just keep on reading on the same page, in the same chapter.
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness, self-control;against such things there is no law." Gal. 5:22-23
My suggestion is for you to start reading the Bible, especially the New Testament to find out who Jesus is, and what he came to do. Then come and discuss your conclusions with us. We have several atheists in this forum, they participate with respect and dignity.
Praying that you can learn to do the same.
"But God demonstrates his love for us in this that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8
And as far as sin and evil, look at this passage, and see if you can figure out who is the problem when it comes to evil.
"Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, [SUP]20 [/SUP]idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,[SUP]21 [/SUP]envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." Gal. 5:19-21
And if you want to know who created all the good things in this world, just keep on reading on the same page, in the same chapter.
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness, self-control;against such things there is no law." Gal. 5:22-23
My suggestion is for you to start reading the Bible, especially the New Testament to find out who Jesus is, and what he came to do. Then come and discuss your conclusions with us. We have several atheists in this forum, they participate with respect and dignity.
Praying that you can learn to do the same.
I'll reply in good faith =o).
Your quote leaves out the concept of Free Will and the choices of mankind.
Check out these titles (very affordable as Kindle downloads), which ask really, really good questions:
The Gospel in Twenty Questions - The Gospel in Twenty Questions
The Book - The Gospel in Ten Words
Grace and peace to you,
-JGIG
Your quote leaves out the concept of Free Will and the choices of mankind.
Check out these titles (very affordable as Kindle downloads), which ask really, really good questions:
The Gospel in Twenty Questions - The Gospel in Twenty Questions
The Book - The Gospel in Ten Words
Grace and peace to you,
-JGIG
Intelligent beings are capable of moral actions and relations. God gave freedom and discretionary powers and moral agency to human creatures. Humans have god-like ability to reason, discern and create.
With freedom comes responsibility.
God is glorified in all the moral excellencies and in creatures coming short of being what they ought to be. God's wrath against transgressions is hidden now. In the future, God will be glorified in both the vessels of wrath and the vessels of mercy.
Humans have limited knowledge and limited powers of reason and logic. Those who thought that they were safe from the wrath of God are likely to find out that facts and logic leave them without a valid excuse in the end. All will be found guilty before God (except Jesus Christ, the Redeemer).
God is an infinite being to be sought out for ever more with ever more to discover. In the presence of the Lord, there are delights and pleasures for ever more. Heirs of mercy will praise and thank Almighty God for ever more.
Justice is a universal desire. Mercy is a universal need.
With freedom comes responsibility.
God is glorified in all the moral excellencies and in creatures coming short of being what they ought to be. God's wrath against transgressions is hidden now. In the future, God will be glorified in both the vessels of wrath and the vessels of mercy.
Humans have limited knowledge and limited powers of reason and logic. Those who thought that they were safe from the wrath of God are likely to find out that facts and logic leave them without a valid excuse in the end. All will be found guilty before God (except Jesus Christ, the Redeemer).
God is an infinite being to be sought out for ever more with ever more to discover. In the presence of the Lord, there are delights and pleasures for ever more. Heirs of mercy will praise and thank Almighty God for ever more.
Justice is a universal desire. Mercy is a universal need.
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God is willing to prevent evil, But He has given man free will, And if a person want's to commit an evil act, God can only convict the person of the wrongness of the act, But if the person choses to go ahead, Then God can't stop him.
The devil is the God of this world, 2 Cor 4: 4., And his spirit is working in disobedient people, Eph 2: 2.
God is able to prevent, judge and punish evil. God will intervene when He chooses. For now, human free will is in exercise and it can be used for both good and evil. God is righteous. Justice may be delayed but it won't be denied.
Some people store up a treasury of wealth for their earthly future. It is sad but sinners store up a treasury of wrath (God's wrath) for their eternal future. We are all sinners. We all enjoy daily mercies now (Lamentations 3:22-23). For the heirs of mercy via the redemptive work of Jesus Christ, mercies will endure forever (Psalm 136).
But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart, you are storing up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and of the revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will reward each one according to his works. (Romans 2:5-6)
Some people store up a treasury of wealth for their earthly future. It is sad but sinners store up a treasury of wrath (God's wrath) for their eternal future. We are all sinners. We all enjoy daily mercies now (Lamentations 3:22-23). For the heirs of mercy via the redemptive work of Jesus Christ, mercies will endure forever (Psalm 136).
But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart, you are storing up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and of the revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will reward each one according to his works. (Romans 2:5-6)