Is healing promised to the believers?

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know1

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Many believe that God doesn't promise to heal everyone because of Timothy and Paul and other examples written in the bible, and let's not forget all the present day testimonies of how God failed to heal so and so after they prayed for healing, and afterwards died, but what does the bible say?

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I know this is just one scripture, and of course there are more, but does the testimony of man trump the word of God?
Last I read, the word of God said, "let ever man be a liar, but God be true".
I also hear many say they believe the bible, only to explain away what is clearly written. And they do so because LIFE'S EXPERIENCES DICTATE differently.
So whose report will you believe, God's or man's?
And if you say God's report, then why are you fixated on the examples of those who failed to receive rather than on the promises of God like you do for salvation?
Do you have any examples in the bible of someone who failed to receive salvation after trying?
So if you don't do that with salvation, then why do you do that when it comes to the subject of healing?
Can anyone show me a PROMISE in the bible, like the ones for salvation, not an example, but a promise that is contrary to the one written above, that says healing is not for every child of God?
If you believe that, then surely you should be able to come up with a promise in scripture saying something along the lines of what many of you teach.
If your faith is based on the word of God, the bible, then someone please show me a promise written where God says, 'not all who ask shall receive their healing' or something along those lines.
I ask because, I haven't found any.
 

garee

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Many believe that God doesn't promise to heal everyone because of Timothy and Paul and other examples written in the bible, and let's not forget all the present day testimonies of how God failed to heal so and so after they prayed for healing, and afterwards died, but what does the bible say?

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I know this is just one scripture, and of course there are more, but does the testimony of man trump the word of God?
Last I read, the word of God said, "let ever man be a liar, but God be true".
I also hear many say they believe the bible, only to explain away what is clearly written. And they do so because LIFE'S EXPERIENCES DICTATE differently.
So whose report will you believe, God's or man's?
And if you say God's report, then why are you fixated on the examples of those who failed to receive rather than on the promises of God like you do for salvation?
Do you have any examples in the bible of someone who failed to receive salvation after trying?
So if you don't do that with salvation, then why do you do that when it comes to the subject of healing?
Can anyone show me a PROMISE in the bible, like the ones for salvation, not an example, but a promise that is contrary to the one written above, that says healing is not for every child of God?
If you believe that, then surely you should be able to come up with a promise in scripture saying something along the lines of what many of you teach.
If your faith is based on the word of God, the bible, then someone please show me a promise written where God says, 'not all who ask shall receive their healing' or something along those lines.
I ask because, I haven't found any.
God does not promise physical healing. All men live in a body of death and die. The healing we are promised are spiritual (not seen) in nature. Those healing will be going on right up till our last day or the last day of this heavens and earth .

Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

If he has not sinned there will be no forgiveness needed he will have no need to be raised up spiritually .

God does not heal with human hands as a will. The laying on of hands is a metaphor used in various parables. It is an evil generation (natural unconverted man) that seeks after a sign .
 
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trofimus

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There is no "Do you believe God or man" dilema.

Physical healing is a gift. If you are healed, praise God.

If you are not, do not turn your back on Him.

If you are not, do not blame yourself to be some kind of a failure. Remember Job.
 
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There is maybe a reason why healing does not come; to be in that vulnerable state to be able to show your faith to others that are sick as well as the living that worry about life after death. To the sick and those who worry, it is easy to talk about our faith when we are healthy and whole, but to suffer an illness, or even a terminal one, or a loss of limb or one of the senses, our faith shines brighter to a lost world when our hearts are set on the treasures above.

1 Corinthians 9:[SUP]22 [/SUP]To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

1 Peter 3:[SUP]15 [/SUP]But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

1 Timothy 1:[SUP]15 [/SUP]This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.[SUP]16 [/SUP]Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
 
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Paul's companion in the ministry was sick and night unto death; Paul did not give any judgment has he died or even for why he was sick and nigh unto death too... like having lack of faith or whatever.

Philippians 2:[SUP]24 [/SUP]But I trust in the Lord that I also myself shall come shortly.[SUP] 25 [/SUP]Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants.[SUP]26 [/SUP]For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.[SUP]28 [/SUP]I sent him therefore the more carefully, that, when ye see him again, ye may rejoice, and that I may be the less sorrowful.[SUP] 29 [/SUP]Receive him therefore in the Lord with all gladness; and hold such in reputation:[SUP] 30 [/SUP]Because for the work of Christ he was nigh unto death, not regarding his life, to supply your lack of service toward me.

So in this case, he was nigh unto death in his sickness in spite of praying all this time even until approaching death's death.

Again, Paul did not give any judgment for why he was not healed earlier. Paul cited he would have been in sorrow, but he certainly did not say it would affect his faith or belief in Him. Just a part of life in this sinful world. If God calls us Home, it's time. We can ask for healing; nevertheless, let His will be done and not ours.
 

7seasrekeyed

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Many believe that God doesn't promise to heal everyone because of Timothy and Paul and other examples written in the bible, and let's not forget all the present day testimonies of how God failed to heal so and so after they prayed for healing, and afterwards died, but what does the bible say?

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I know this is just one scripture, and of course there are more, but does the testimony of man trump the word of God?
Last I read, the word of God said, "let ever man be a liar, but God be true".
I also hear many say they believe the bible, only to explain away what is clearly written. And they do so because LIFE'S EXPERIENCES DICTATE differently.
So whose report will you believe, God's or man's?
And if you say God's report, then why are you fixated on the examples of those who failed to receive rather than on the promises of God like you do for salvation?
Do you have any examples in the bible of someone who failed to receive salvation after trying?
So if you don't do that with salvation, then why do you do that when it comes to the subject of healing?
Can anyone show me a PROMISE in the bible, like the ones for salvation, not an example, but a promise that is contrary to the one written above, that says healing is not for every child of God?
If you believe that, then surely you should be able to come up with a promise in scripture saying something along the lines of what many of you teach.
If your faith is based on the word of God, the bible, then someone please show me a promise written where God says, 'not all who ask shall receive their healing' or something along those lines.
I ask because, I haven't found any.

well then ask the question why wasn't Paul healed? don't gloss it over; same for Timothy

is it perhaps because God does NOT actually promise physical healing to everyone?

God DOES promise spiritual healing to everyone and in large part the portion of scripture you have chosen to use as verses for physical healing, are actually referring to SPIRITUAL healing

why else would the people be told to confess their sins to one another and THEN pray? yet we have people who will say you do not need to ask for forgiveness in order to be forgiven and will strike out the very word of God that demands otherwise

Jesus said to leave your gift at the altar if you need to make yourself right with someone. people do not understand that confession and restoration are a picture of spiritual healing and they use verses for spiritual healing as though they were meant for physical healing when God NEVER promised anywhere to heal everyone

does God heal? well sure He does, He is God after all. however, what some call faith is actually presumption

so who heals? faith or God?

did the servant whose ear Peter cut off at the arrest of Jesus demand any healing? nope. never asked for it. Jesus restored the ear of His own volition

people get confused over the will of God because they refuse to acknowledge that God is Sovereign, merciful, forgiving and not willing that any should perish, but also righteous, holy and condemns anyone who is not forgiven. If you are in Jesus, then your sins are forgiven, but you cannot live as you did before or continue in sin. Jesus made it plain that horizontal relationships indicate your vertical relationship.

As He said, how can someone say they love God if they hate their brother?

bottom line: God will not, does not and never promised to heal everyone physically.
 
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joaniemarie

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Many believe that God doesn't promise to heal everyone because of Timothy and Paul and other examples written in the bible, and let's not forget all the present day testimonies of how God failed to heal so and so after they prayed for healing, and afterwards died, but what does the bible say?

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I know this is just one scripture, and of course there are more, but does the testimony of man trump the word of God?
Last I read, the word of God said, "let ever man be a liar, but God be true".
I also hear many say they believe the bible, only to explain away what is clearly written. And they do so because LIFE'S EXPERIENCES DICTATE differently.
So whose report will you believe, God's or man's?
And if you say God's report, then why are you fixated on the examples of those who failed to receive rather than on the promises of God like you do for salvation?
Do you have any examples in the bible of someone who failed to receive salvation after trying?
So if you don't do that with salvation, then why do you do that when it comes to the subject of healing?
Can anyone show me a PROMISE in the bible, like the ones for salvation, not an example, but a promise that is contrary to the one written above, that says healing is not for every child of God?
If you believe that, then surely you should be able to come up with a promise in scripture saying something along the lines of what many of you teach.
If your faith is based on the word of God, the bible, then someone please show me a promise written where God says, 'not all who ask shall receive their healing' or something along those lines.
I ask because, I haven't found any.




Me either. But what I have found is how easy it is to lose heart and give in to the hopelessness of being ill. The enemy uses this and our eyes on others who have not been healed. We get our eyes off of the promises and onto other people and our feelings and theirs. It's very easy to do when dealing with this body.

But just as with everything in our lives, we are now called to live by faith in the finished work of Jesus on the cross. The promises are all ours IN CHRIST but we have to know them and go to that secret place of the Most High by faith.

Many Christians have been killed in wars and died prematurely but also many Christians have been spared and saw miracles on the battlefield. The difference was they didn't look at their situations or the situations of others... They kept looking at Jesus and knew and believed the promises. We don't know what others are going through or dealing with. Only God does. Our responsibility is to grow in our own faith. We can't grow in someone else's.

I have to make myself go to the Bible and believe it one day at a time. I have to make the choice to not go to the realm of "what ifs" And instead stay in the promises. I love Psalm 91 in all it's truth for us believers today. The condition is to believe... that means we are dwelling in the secret place of the Most High. The new covenant requires us to go IN Christ and believe because of Jesus we have these great and precious promises.

[SUP]1 [/SUP]He who [SUP][a][/SUP]dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall remain stable and fixed under the shadow of the Almighty [Whose power no foe can withstand].
[SUP]
2 [/SUP]I will say of the Lord, He is my Refuge and my Fortress, my God; on Him I lean and rely, and in Him I [confidently] trust!
[SUP]
3 [/SUP]For [then] He will deliver you from the snare of the fowler and from the deadly pestilence.
[SUP]
4 [/SUP][Then] He will cover you with His pinions, and under His wings shall you trust and find refuge; His truth and His faithfulness are a shield and a buckler.
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5 [/SUP]You shall not be afraid of the terror of the night, nor of the arrow (the evil plots and slanders of the wicked) that flies by day,
[SUP]
6 [/SUP]Nor of the pestilence that stalks in darkness, nor of the destruction and sudden death that surprise and lay waste at noonday.
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7 [/SUP]A thousand may fall at your side, and ten thousand at your right hand, but it shall not come near you.
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8 [/SUP]Only a spectator shall you be [yourself inaccessible in the secret place of the Most High] as you witness the reward of the wicked.
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9 [/SUP]Because you have made the Lord your refuge, and the Most High your dwelling place,
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10 [/SUP]There shall no evil befall you, nor any plague or calamity come near your tent.
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11 [/SUP]For He will give His angels [especial] charge over you to accompany and defend and preserve you in all your ways [of obedience and service].
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12 [/SUP]They shall bear you up on their hands, lest you dash your foot against a stone.
[SUP]
13 [/SUP]You shall tread upon the lion and adder; the young lion and the serpent shall you trample underfoot.
[SUP]
14 [/SUP]Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore will I deliver him; I will set him on high, because he knows and understands My name [has a personal knowledge of My mercy, love, and kindness—trusts and relies on Me, knowing I will never forsake him, no, never].
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15 [/SUP]He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him.
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16 [/SUP]With long life will I satisfy him and show him My salvation.
Footnotes:


  1. Psalm 91:1 The rich promises of this whole chapter are dependent upon one’s meeting exactly the conditions of these first two verses (see Exod. 15:26).





 
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joaniemarie

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Many believe Paul was sick.., or blind... as if God gave him sickness after He sent Jesus to heal us from all our sicknesses and diseases.
But the truth is Paul was not sick. He was praying that God would deliver him from the enemy (messengers of satan) ungodly people followed Paul to every place he preached to discourage and bother him.

God told Paul His grace was sufficient. God doesn't send sickness to "teach us a lesson" or stop us from being prideful. We have the Holy Spirit and the Bible to teach us (the washing of the water of the Word)
 
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Many believe that God doesn't promise to heal everyone because of Timothy and Paul and other examples written in the bible, and let's not forget all the present day testimonies of how God failed to heal so and so after they prayed for healing, and afterwards died, but what does the bible say?

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I know this is just one scripture, and of course there are more, but does the testimony of man trump the word of God?
Last I read, the word of God said, "let ever man be a liar, but God be true".
I also hear many say they believe the bible, only to explain away what is clearly written. And they do so because LIFE'S EXPERIENCES DICTATE differently.
So whose report will you believe, God's or man's?
And if you say God's report, then why are you fixated on the examples of those who failed to receive rather than on the promises of God like you do for salvation?
Do you have any examples in the bible of someone who failed to receive salvation after trying?
So if you don't do that with salvation, then why do you do that when it comes to the subject of healing?
Can anyone show me a PROMISE in the bible, like the ones for salvation, not an example, but a promise that is contrary to the one written above, that says healing is not for every child of God?
If you believe that, then surely you should be able to come up with a promise in scripture saying something along the lines of what many of you teach.
If your faith is based on the word of God, the bible, then someone please show me a promise written where God says, 'not all who ask shall receive their healing' or something along those lines.
I ask because, I haven't found any.
I do believe God, at times, miraculously heals sick/dying/even dead people from their health issues.

But I also think you're misreading the verses you picked to prove God always heals the sick.

Look at those verses again in a different light. What is the penalty for sinning? Separation from God, death, and hell, right?

Death, dude! Sin kills us! Sin is a health issue in that when we sin it will kill us.

Now what did Jesus do about that? He healed some of us! We no longer get the death penalty for our sins. He saves us. He gives us new life! We're HEALED! He saved us! He promises his healing salvation.

He does not promise we get out of this life alive. We will all physically die. It's like my husband. He quit smoking, but after smoking for 50 years the damage is done. Because he quit, some of the damage is repaired, but not all of it. Sin damages us. The effects of sin damages us. So we are healed of sin, but still reap the consequences, even afterwards.

God saves us! He doesn't save us from this body falling apart. He saves us for eternity where we get a new body that never falls apart, because it is never exposed to sin!

How about reading those same verses in that light? Yes, have elders pray for you if you are sick. God may do one of his miracles for you. He's already doing his biggest miracle on you though -- he saved you!
 

joaniemarie

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The question to ask ourselves is how's our faith? Are we we using the God-given faith that He gave us for this very reason here on earth while we deal with tribulations? Did He not promise to be with us and get us through? Yes.

We need faith here on earth but we won't need it in heaven. Faith matters and using it is for revealing Him in our lives here on earth. "when believers step out in faith., heaven comes down" But when we don't., nothing is going to change. James says faith that takes no risks is dead.

 
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Me either. But what I have found is how easy it is to lose heart and give in to the hopelessness of being ill. The enemy uses this and our eyes on others who have not been healed. We get our eyes off of the promises and onto other people and our feelings and theirs. It's very easy to do when dealing with this body.

But just as with everything in our lives, we are now called to live by faith in the finished work of Jesus on the cross. The promises are all ours IN CHRIST but we have to know them and go to that secret place of the Most High by faith.

Many Christians have been killed in wars and died prematurely but also many Christians have been spared and saw miracles on the battlefield. The difference was they didn't look at their situations or the situations of others... They kept looking at Jesus and knew and believed the promises. We don't know what others are going through or dealing with. Only God does. Our responsibility is to grow in our own faith. We can't grow in someone else's.

I have to make myself go to the Bible and believe it one day at a time. I have to make the choice to not go to the realm of "what ifs" And instead stay in the promises. I love Psalm 91 in all it's truth for us believers today. The condition is to believe... that means we are dwelling in the secret place of the Most High. The new covenant requires us to go IN Christ and believe because of Jesus we have these great and precious promises.

[SUP]1 [/SUP]He who [SUP][a][/SUP]dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall remain stable and fixed under the shadow of the Almighty [Whose power no foe can withstand].
[SUP]
2 [/SUP]I will say of the Lord, He is my Refuge and my Fortress, my God; on Him I lean and rely, and in Him I [confidently] trust!
[SUP]
3 [/SUP]For [then] He will deliver you from the snare of the fowler and from the deadly pestilence.
[SUP]
4 [/SUP][Then] He will cover you with His pinions, and under His wings shall you trust and find refuge; His truth and His faithfulness are a shield and a buckler.
[SUP]
5 [/SUP]You shall not be afraid of the terror of the night, nor of the arrow (the evil plots and slanders of the wicked) that flies by day,
[SUP]
6 [/SUP]Nor of the pestilence that stalks in darkness, nor of the destruction and sudden death that surprise and lay waste at noonday.
[SUP]
7 [/SUP]A thousand may fall at your side, and ten thousand at your right hand, but it shall not come near you.
[SUP]
8 [/SUP]Only a spectator shall you be [yourself inaccessible in the secret place of the Most High] as you witness the reward of the wicked.
[SUP]
9 [/SUP]Because you have made the Lord your refuge, and the Most High your dwelling place,
[SUP]
10 [/SUP]There shall no evil befall you, nor any plague or calamity come near your tent.
[SUP]
11 [/SUP]For He will give His angels [especial] charge over you to accompany and defend and preserve you in all your ways [of obedience and service].
[SUP]
12 [/SUP]They shall bear you up on their hands, lest you dash your foot against a stone.
[SUP]
13 [/SUP]You shall tread upon the lion and adder; the young lion and the serpent shall you trample underfoot.
[SUP]
14 [/SUP]Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore will I deliver him; I will set him on high, because he knows and understands My name [has a personal knowledge of My mercy, love, and kindness—trusts and relies on Me, knowing I will never forsake him, no, never].
[SUP]
15 [/SUP]He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him.
[SUP]
16 [/SUP]With long life will I satisfy him and show him My salvation.
Footnotes:


  1. Psalm 91:1 The rich promises of this whole chapter are dependent upon one’s meeting exactly the conditions of these first two verses (see Exod. 15:26).
After 18 years of being disabled, and getting worse slowly, I'm pretty sure it is not God's will to heal my back. I'm pretty sure, because I've done everything I could imagine to give him opportunity to do that, include being prayed for. If he heals me, I will be just as surprised and just as delighted as the last three times he did heal me.

After being one the the Father's kids for 45 years, I am not hopeless. I'm hopeful. Better yet, his hope in me. If Job can permanently lose ten of his children in one day never to get them back, if Jacob could spend the majority of his life limping after the stupidity of battling an angel, and if Paul can keep evangelizing with his thorn in the side, I can most certainly move on in the Lord as I feel my back aging more and more.

My hope is in the Lord. It is NOT in "yeah, but what will you do for me if I do X, Y, & Z."

THAT is the difference.

(I wish you'd get that, versus thinking you're preaching the gospel. You are preaching a gospel, but it's not THE gospel.)
 
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The question to ask ourselves is how's our faith? Are we we using the God-given faith that He gave us for this very reason here on earth while we deal with tribulations? Did He not promise to be with us and get us through? Yes.

We need faith here on earth but we won't need it in heaven. Faith matters and using it is for revealing Him in our lives here on earth. "when believers step out in faith., heaven comes down" But when we don't., nothing is going to change. James says faith that takes no risks is dead.

The question we should be asking is, "Lord, how may I serve you today? And please fill me with you, so we can do what you ask of me today."

Your questions are always place self in the center, instead of God.
 

7seasrekeyed

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The question to ask ourselves is how's our faith? Are we we using the God-given faith that He gave us for this very reason here on earth while we deal with tribulations? Did He not promise to be with us and get us through? Yes.

We need faith here on earth but we won't need it in heaven. Faith matters and using it is for revealing Him in our lives here on earth. "when believers step out in faith., heaven comes down" But when we don't., nothing is going to change. James says faith that takes no risks is dead.


that is not what God is asking

seems people pick and choose what they want to have faith in

the ENTIRE word of God is given for our counsel

start omitting what Jesus said, interpreting scripture according to false teachers, saying 'faith heals and if you don't work up enough you won't get healed' is NOT, repeat NOT, in scripture.

There is only ONE we have faith in and if we lack faith then we should ask for it...can you guess who that is or what that means?

It means have faith IN God...no matter what the results

be like Job and say 'though He slay me, yet will I love Him'

you love God for Who He is

you have faith in God for Who He is

you have faith in God because He keeps His word

I could go on, but even now you are drumming up a retort because you don't understand

I only respond to refute your false statement regarding faith and healing

so I won't respond to your remarks which denigrate a proper understanding

if the bottom of your world fell out, if God left you in the dark and you became ill and lost all friends, your home, your finances whatever, and your prayers hit the ceiling, and no matter how many times you repeated what the appropriate scripture were with all the faith you work up and this continued for years, would you still really and truly love God?

think about countries where Christians are persecuted and put to death for their faith.

you need a world view to understand the Bible. you do not have one. you have the typical US God gimmee this and that view where God heals on demand and if He doesn't then you don't have enough faith

and by the way, no one really knows what Paul's affliction was, but Paul did not seem alarmed that Timothy had tummy problems

you WOF people would be all over both Paul and Timothy, telling them their faith was no good

again, I am only responding for the sake of those who do not understand what you actually believe..ie Joseph Prince and similar false teachers
 

joaniemarie

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In the brief time I've walked in healing., I've noticed my faith has everything to do with it. I was taught in my previous Christian walk to not believe in healing. And so I didn't and was not healed nor were those healed who I prayed for. But today is totally different. Each day we have to step out in faith and learn how to believe. Here is an excerpt from Bible commentary about James concerning healing and says it so much better than I;




[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Some people are not entirely sure that God still heals the sick. They’re in two minds about this healing business. They are not fully persuaded. When they pray people don’t get healed and their doubt becomes self-fulfilling. James writes about this:[/FONT]
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Let him ask in faith, with no doubting for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways. (Jas 1:6-8)[/FONT]

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What limits our faith? Unbelief, or to use James’ words, doubt and uncertainty. To the degree that you are uncertain about God’s will, to that degree you are handicapped by unbelief. The devil wants you uncertain, but God wants you to be sure about His good will (Rms 12:2). If you’re not sure, then James says, “Pray, ask God for wisdom – and ask confidently! – receive what God gives you, then act on it.”[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]The essence of James 2:24 is this: a believer isn’t one who merely believes God in his heart, he reveals God through his actions. The difference between you and your unsaved neighbor is not just a set of beliefs, it is the life of Christ in you and revealed through you. You not only think differently, you act differently and what you do flows from what you believe. If you don’t believe God heals the sick, you won’t pray for the sick and they won’t get healed. You are no different from your unbelieving neighbor in this regard. But if you do believe that Jesus provided for our healing 2000 years ago (1 Pet 2:24), then you will pray for the sick and you will heal them.[/FONT]
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To the church James is saying, don’t just believe God, reveal Him! Speak to your mountain, heal the sick, drive out demons, raise the dead! If you are fully persuaded, that God can heal the sick, but you don’t pray for the sick – something is wrong. Your faith is not being expressed. It’s lifeless, powerless and incomplete. It’s like a fig tree that never bears fruit. If you are fully persuaded that God will do what He promised, then act on it and receive your miracle. Why wait? Abraham didn’t linger. He got up early the next morning and marched off fully persuaded that God would raise the dead.[/FONT]

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We haven’t been called to do works for God, but to do the works of God. The work of God is to believe in Jesus (Jn 6:29). He who believes Jesus saves will be saved and will save others. He who believes Jesus heals will be healed and will heal others. If you are fully persuaded that Jesus is our wisdom from God – that He is our righteousness, our holiness, our redemption, and our victory – it will be evident in how you live.[/FONT]
 

joaniemarie

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We are free to believe in healing .... or not. It is up to us. I see it all over the Bible and so do other Christians. There just happens to be more on this thread who don't than who do.

If you don’t believe God heals the sick, you won’t pray for the sick and they won’t get healed.

But if you do believe that Jesus provided for our healing 2000 years ago (1 Pet 2:24), then you will pray for the sick and you will heal them.


To the church James is saying, don’t just believe God, reveal Him! Speak to your mountain, heal the sick, drive out demons, raise the dead!

If you are fully persuaded, that God can heal the sick, but you don’t pray for the sick – something is wrong. Your faith is not being expressed. It’s lifeless, powerless and incomplete. It’s like a fig tree that never bears fruit.

If you are fully persuaded that God will do what He promised, then act on it and receive your miracle. Why wait? Abraham didn’t linger. He got up early the next morning and marched off fully persuaded that God would raise the dead.


This is what I've found to be true and have received and am receiving healing. If we don't believe and ask, how can we expect anything from God? My choice is to believe and expect that IN Christ I have healing and am fully persuaded of it. Thank you Jesus.
 

OneFaith

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Many believe that God doesn't promise to heal everyone because of Timothy and Paul and other examples written in the bible, and let's not forget all the present day testimonies of how God failed to heal so and so after they prayed for healing, and afterwards died, but what does the bible say?

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I know this is just one scripture, and of course there are more, but does the testimony of man trump the word of God?
Last I read, the word of God said, "let ever man be a liar, but God be true".
I also hear many say they believe the bible, only to explain away what is clearly written. And they do so because LIFE'S EXPERIENCES DICTATE differently.
So whose report will you believe, God's or man's?
And if you say God's report, then why are you fixated on the examples of those who failed to receive rather than on the promises of God like you do for salvation?
Do you have any examples in the bible of someone who failed to receive salvation after trying?
So if you don't do that with salvation, then why do you do that when it comes to the subject of healing?
Can anyone show me a PROMISE in the bible, like the ones for salvation, not an example, but a promise that is contrary to the one written above, that says healing is not for every child of God?
If you believe that, then surely you should be able to come up with a promise in scripture saying something along the lines of what many of you teach.
If your faith is based on the word of God, the bible, then someone please show me a promise written where God says, 'not all who ask shall receive their healing' or something along those lines.
I ask because, I haven't found any.

If Paul would have been taken to the elders for healing, he still would have a thorn in his flesh, because it was God’s Will for him to have it. We have to take all scripture into consideration. Yes, prayer is effective if it is in accordance to God’s Will. So if you consider all scripture, the message is “...and he shall be healed unless it’s God’s Will for Him not to be healed.”

Paul understood this concept, for he himself purposely left Tromphimus sick when he had the power to heal him. Because he understood we must do things according to God’s Will, nor according to connivence- because that would be treating God like a genie- which would make Him our servant instead of us being His servants.
 

Hizikyah

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If Paul would have been taken to the elders for healing, he still would have a thorn in his flesh, because it was God’s Will for him to have it. We have to take all scripture into consideration. Yes, prayer is effective if it is in accordance to God’s Will. So if you consider all scripture, the message is “...and he shall be healed unless it’s God’s Will for Him not to be healed.”

Paul understood this concept, for he himself purposely left Timotheous sick when he had the power to heal him. Because he understood we must do things according to God’s Will, nor according to connivence- because that would be treating God like a genie- which would make Him our servant instead of us being His servants.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Corinthians 12:7-10, “And to keep me from exalting myself because of the exceeding greatness of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to hit me, to keep me from exalting myself. Concerning this I pleaded with the Master three times to take it away from me. And He said to me, “My favor is sufficient for you, for My power is perfected in weakness.” Most gladly, then, I shall rather boast in my weaknesses, so that the power of Messiah rests on me. Therefore I take pleasure in weaknesses, in insults, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for the sake of Messiah. For when I am weak, then I am strong."[/FONT]