Is historicism the breeding ground for seventh day adventist failed prophecy?

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1still_waters

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By the way, historicism shouldn't be tossed out due to guilt by association. Just as any perspective shouldn't be tossed out just because some heretics may have tampered with it and reached their own conclusions.
 
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Married_Richenbrachen

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By the way, historicism shouldn't be tossed out due to guilt by association. Just as any perspective shouldn't be tossed out just because some heretics may have tampered with it and reached their own conclusions.
Like I keep hearing about Daniel's 70 weeks being completed. You shouldn't believe that because the Roman Catholics believed that. Lol. So heretics can't be right about anything? :)
 

zone

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hmm....patterns...patterns.

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The whole Tenach (Old Testament) is a picture revealed in the New Testament, only enlightened by the Holy Spirit.

(Psalm 90:4) “For a thousand years in your sight are like yesterday when it is past.&rdqou;
(Psalm 84:10) “For a day in your courts is better than a thousand.”
(2 Pet 3:8 NKJV) “But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”

What the first and second century learned men taught was that the creation of six literal days was a picture of man’s time on earth (6,000 years) to be followed by 1,000 (Revelation 20:4-6) years of Sabbath - that Messianic Kingdom promised to Abraham 4,000 years ago. But in order to have this, evil has to be destroyed first. This time is called Jacob’s Trouble or the TRIBULATION. Numerous scriptures refer to a time called “the day” or “in that day”.

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zone

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"The preterist view takes the historicist position further. Preterism contends that most, if not all major prophetic events have already been fulfilled in history. The term preterist means "already fulfilled." This view discredits the biblical importance of Israel and those Christians who stand with Israel."
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The authors of this website hold to a pre-tribulation and pre-millennial viewpoint, meaning the Church will be removed before the tribulation period begins, and the Second Coming of Christ will take place before His literal 1000-year reign on earth.

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right.
pretty familiar by now.
 
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1still_waters

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1still_waters

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Who is William Miller, and who are the Millerites?
What did William Miller teach?

William Miller was involved in the beginning of the Seventh Day Adventist Church
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Today's Seventh-day Adventist Church had its beginning in the mid-1800s, with William Miller (1782-1849), a farmer who lived in upstate New York.
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William Miller predicted the second coming of Christ, which failed of course.

"I believe that the second coming of Jesus Christ is near, even at the door, even within twenty-one years,—on or before 1843."[SUP][1][/SUP]
Millerism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And as you see from the previous posts, SDA eschatology of which Miller followed, feeds off the trough of Historicism.
 

zone

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mkay still...so if i have this right - historicism is a valuable and legitimate approach h'obviously.
it's looking at historical events.

but beginning with the reformation they understandably said the RC was antichrist.

luther even queried, like - if the RC isn't the antichrist or the great harlot i don't know who is.

from there it was a real-time type interpretation (the headlines of the day), even though neither luther nor calvin wrote commentaries on revelation, so didn't exegete the great harlot (?).

then you had your anti-catholic bias; so then you 2 catholic theologians - one pointed to events primarily fulfilled in history; and the other a futurist...and supposedly both were meant to deflect from the pope as The Antichrist?

k...so historicism (?) went off the rails when it started using the headlines of the day - by then you already had a The Antichrist developed...and somebody had to fill the role. so now we have Islam; Obama or whoever?
 
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1still_waters

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mkay still...so if i have this right - historicism is a valuable and legitimate approach h'obviously.
it's looking at historical events.

but beginning with the reformation they understandably said the RC was antichrist.

luther even queried, like - if the RC isn't the antichrist or the great harlot i don't know who is.

from there it was a real-time type interpretation (the headlines of the day), even though neither luther nor calvin wrote commentaries on revelation, so didn't exegete the great harlot (?).

then you had your anti-catholic bias; so then you 2 catholic theologians - one pointed to events primarily fulfilled in history; and the other a futurist...and supposedly both were meant to deflect from the pope as The Antichrist?

k...so historicism (?) went off the rails when it started using the headlines of the day - by then you already had a The Antichrist developed...and somebody had to fill the role. so now we have Islam; Obama or whoever?
Sounds correct upon initial review.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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basically millerism and adventism are what you get when you impose the bogus 'day year principle' on historicism...
 

Nebuchadnezzer

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I did a search on the historicist eschatological perspective and Seventh Day Adventism.
There appears to be a link between the two.
Historicism may be the breeding ground for SDA prophetic error/heresy.
Yes the SDA has butchered the historicist view.
But because they have done this must we now throw out the historicist view?
Saying yes to this is like throwing out the baby with the bath water.
 

Nebuchadnezzer

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basically millerism and adventism are what you get when you impose the bogus 'day year principle' on historicism...
Millerism and adventism misinterpret scripture , and yet they still influence and impact others on how they interpret scripture.

Case in point: their misinterpretation and abuse of the historicist view has led many to hastily reject the historicist view.