Is it a sin to drink alcohol

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Liquor [ Strong's H4952 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: mishrah; Hebrew: מִשְׁרָה - commonly translated into the English: liquor” [juice]. “From H8281 [ sharah> שָׁרָה to let loose, set free ] in the sense of loosening” 1 times “liquor” [juice of steeped grapes]

Numbers 6:3.​
 

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Liquor [ Strong's H4197 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: mezeg; Hebrew: מֶזֶג - commonly translated into the English: liquor” [mixture, mixed wine]. “From an unused root meaning to mingle (water with wine)” 1 times “liquor”
Song Of Songs [Solomon] 7:2.​
 

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Mixed Wine, Drink Offering [ Strong's H4469 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: mamcak; Hebrew: מִמְסָךְ - commonly translated into the English: mixed wine, drink offering. “From H4537 [ macak מָסַךְ to mix, mingle, produce by mixing]” 1 times “mixed wine”, 1 times “drink offering”

Proverbs 23:30;

Isaiah 65:11.​
 

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Flagon [of wine] [ Strong's H809 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: 'ashiyshah; Hebrew: אֲשִׁישָׁה - commonly translated into the English: flagon [of wine]”. “From H808 [ 'ashiysh אֲשִׁישׁ with the sense of pressing down, foundation ]” 4 times “flagon”

2 Samuel 6:19;

1 Chronicles 16:3;

Song Of Songs [Solomon] 2:5;

Hosea 3:1.​
 

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Wine, Drink, Drunken [ Strong's H5435 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: cobe'; Hebrew: סֹבֶא - commonly translated into the English: wine, drink, drunken”. “From H5433 [ caba' סָבָא to drink heavily or largely, imbibe]” 1 times “wine”, 1 times “drink”, 1 times “drunken”

Isaiah 1:22;

Hosea 4:18;

Nahum 1:10.​
 

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Drunkard, Winebibbers, Fill, Drunken, [variant] [ Strong's H5433 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: caba'; Hebrew: סָבָא - commonly translated into the English:drunkard, winebibbers, fill, drunken, [variant]”. “A primitive root” 2 times “drunkard”, 1 times “winebibbers”, 1 times “fill”, 1 times “drunken”, 1 times [variant]

Deuteronomy 21:20;

Proverbs 23:30,31;

Isaiah 56:12;

Ezekiel 23:42;

Nahum 1:10.​
 

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Spiced [ Strong's H7544 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: reqach; Hebrew: רֶקַח - commonly translated into the English: spiced”. “From H7543 [ raqach רָקַח to mix, compound ]” 1 times “spiced” wine

Song Of Songs [Solomon] 8:2.​
 

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Vinegar [ Strong's H2558 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: chomets; Hebrew: חֹמֶץ- commonly translated into the English: vinegar”. “From H2556 [ chamets חָמֵץto be leavened, sour ]” 6 times “vinegar”

Numbers 6:3;

Ruth 2:14;

Psalms 69:21;

Proverbs 10:26, 25:20.​
 

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Gall, Venom, Poison, Hemlock [ Strong's H7219 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: ro'sh; Hebrew: רֹאשׁ - commonly translated into the English: Gall, Venom, Poison, Hemlock” 9 times “gall”, 1 times “venom”, 1 times “poison”, 1 times “hemlock”

Deuteronomy 29:18, 32:32,33;

Job 20:16;

Psalms 69:21;

Jeremiah 8:14, 9:15, 23:15;

Lamentations 3:5,19;

Hosea 10:4;

Amos 6:12.​
 

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Mingle [ Strong's H4537 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: macak; Hebrew: מָסַךְ- commonly translated into the English:mingle”. “A Primitive root” 5 times “mingle”

Psalms 102:9;

Proverbs 9:2,5;

Isaiah 5:22, 19:14.​
 

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Mixture [ Strong's H4538 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: mecek; Hebrew: מֶסֶךְ - commonly translated into the English: mixture”. “From H4537 [ macak מָסַךְto mix, mingle, produce by mixing ]” 1 times “mixture”

Psalms 75:8.​
 

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More in a bit, I'll be back later. to complete all the words I have personally looked up and studied in each verse. Got to go get mail.
 

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Wine simply means that which is of the vine (as already shown). So, Jesus turned water into wine (juice of the grape).

Good Wine, Unalcoholic, Unfermented Wine:​
[1] Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and [one] saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing [is] in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. Isaiah 65:8​
[2] Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn and the new wine and the oil unto the treasuries. Nehemiah 13:12​
[3] So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine. Proverbs 3:10​

These 3 simple texts reveal that the word "wine" is also meant of the simple juice of the Grapes, even ripe from the harvest, right off of the vine, right fresh and invigorating from the press vats, the very firstfruits of the harvest increase even.

How does one become drunk by drinking unfermented wine? By its very nature there is an alcohol content in wine otherwise it would be called grape juice. In these biblical examples it is obvious that wine is an alcoholic beverage. You don't get drunk by drinking grape juice.

Your examples do not specify at all that the new wine is merely grape juice.

Ephesians 5:18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.

Acts 2:13 Some, however, made fun of them and said, "They have had too much wine."

1 Samuel 1:14 ...and said to her, "How long are you going to stay drunk? Put away your wine."
 

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Liquor [ Strong's H4952 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: mishrah; Hebrew: מִשְׁרָה - commonly translated into the English: liquor” [juice]. “From H8281 [ sharah> שָׁרָה to let loose, set free ] in the sense of loosening” 1 times “liquor” [juice of steeped grapes]

Numbers 6:3.

thanks for confessing that you don't actually believe the KJV is a 100% perfect translation.
 

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Drink Offering, Libation, Molten Image, Something Poured Out [ Strong's H5262 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: necek; Hebrew: נֶסֶךְ - commonly translated into the English: offering”. “From H5258 [ nacak נָסַךְto pour out, pour, offer, cast ]” 59 times “offering”, 4 times “image”, 1 times “cover withal”

Genesis 35:14;

Exodus 29:40,41, 30:9;

Leviticus 23:13,18,37;

Numbers 4:7, 6:15,17, 15:5,7,10,24, 28:7,8,9,10,14,15,24,31, 29:6,11,16,18,19,21,22,24,25,27,28,30,31,33,34,37,38,39;

2 Kings 16:13,15;

1 Chronicles 29:21;

2 Chronicles 29:35;

Psalms 16:4;

Isaiah 41:29, 48:5, 57:6;

Jeremiah 7:18, 10:14, 19:13, 32:29, 44:17,18,19,25, 51:17;

Ezekiel 20:28, 45:17;

Joel 1:9,13, 2:14.​
 

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Mixed [ Strong's H4107 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: mahal; Hebrew: מָהַל - commonly translated into the English: mixed”. Meaning to “circumcise, cut down, weaken”, “A Primitive Root” 1 times “mixed” [wine mixed with water]
Isaiah 1:22.​
 

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Honey [ Strong's H1706 ]: Hebrew Transliterated: dĕbash; Hebrew: דְּבַשׁ - commonly translated into the English: honey”. “From an unused root meaning to be gummy” 52 times “honey”, 1 times “honeycomb” [+03295], 1 times “honeycomb” [+06688]

Genesis 43:11;

Exodus 3:8,17, 13:5, 16:31, 33:3;

Leviticus 2:11, 20:24;

Numbers 13:27, 14:8, 16:13,14;

Deuteronomy 6:3, 8:8, 11:9, 26:9,15, 27:3, 31:20, 32:13;

Joshua 5:6;

Judges 14:8,9,18;

1 Samuel 14:25,26,27,29,43;

2 Samuel 17:29;

1 Kings 14:3;

2 Kings 18:32;

2 Chronicles 31:5;

Job 20:17;

Psalms 19:10, 81:16, 119:103;

Proverbs 16:24, 24:13, 25:16,27;

Song Of Songs [Solomon] 4:11, 5:1;

Isaiah 7:15,22;

Jeremiah 11:5, 32:22, 41:8;

Ezekiel 3:3, 16:13,19, 20:6,15, 27:17.​
 

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Wine [ Strong's G3631 ]: Greek Transliterated: oinos; Greek: οἶνος - commonly translated into the English: wine”. “A primary word or perhaps from H3196 [ yayin יַיִן wine ]” 32 times “wine”, 1 times “winepress” [+ 3125]

Matthew 9:17;

Mark 2:22, 15:23;

Luke 1:15, 5:37,38, 7:33, 10:34;

John 2:3,9,10, 4:46;

Romans 14:21;

Ephesians 5:18;

1 Timothy 3:8, 5:23;

Titus 2:3;

Revelation 6:6, 14:8,10, 16:19, 17:2, 18:3,13, 19:15.​