Is it Atoned for or taken away by Son?

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Pilgrimshope

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Right but it isn't talking about physical death is it because everyone dies eventually it is talking about the second death isn't it?
Right the whole living souls bro body and spirit are condemned to death because of sin . the body to its death and then the living spirit to the second death.

if we die in our sins , without remission offered by the gospel , we’re going to partake of the second death

“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

or we can believe and have remission of our sins so that when we leave our body behind , our spirit can dwell with the lord
 

homwardbound

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if it was not done and finnished then Christs sacrafice was not enough now that isn't to say we can just do as we please but the power sin had over us is no more
That is true, and the new life does not flow through those under Law, at least never did me any good for me under Law, but to reveal to me what being under Law does to me at least. It trapped me in sin, that I could not get out from under it, as Romans 7 discusses, under Law under a curse and the Law is not the curse, I the first born flesh is when was under to do it. and that took a very long time to figure that out and remain humble in it, after getting delivered from under Law, To see the liberty of Law, that in Son it is done, so I can go ahead and do it. What?

I remember the day I got caught up under Law to not do or else attitude. That took a deep effect on me, to not Do any Sin ever again, even though saw it was already done by Son for me, as well as all others. God Father did it for all, through Son, for us to be new in love and mercy to all, this is given me, you and all that believe God, to do it by God for each personally first. Done for us in our stead, my stead of being the one, that was trying to do it, To see "I" can't and no one else can but God, through Son Jesus. can and did it for us all to believe it and be freed from under Law to do it willingly without taking any credit in doing it over it, which is upholding Law as good, to be humble and remain humble in it, between God and me and each person personally. that is the born again new life I see, as each person makes their own decision.
A perplexity I think all people go through, at least me I see I did and am in an unredeemed body, yet by God this body is made new in risen Son, done by God alone, for me anyways. I believe Jesus is risen where new life begins. My problem under Law was and can be easily in the way again and has, as I continue to learn new daily. I was way too busy trying to imitate the Christ that walked this earth here once over 2,000 years ago, being born of flesh and blood. As all are first born of flesh and blood first birth, in need to be born new from God Father in risen Son, not imitating him as religion only does.
Actually be born new from Father in risen Son given them to not be under Law anymore.
There is a distinct difference, it might be time to see Romans 6 again, that states we are dead to sin, time to believe it, done by God for us through Son as risen to us
I knew a person that was an Alcoholic, would quit and go back and quit and go back. Perplexed and stressed over this up and down yo-yo life here on earth. Was doing their best to be like Christ, and would seem to get there, then again not

This man got asked one day
"Which Jesus Christ did he believe in?"
The man answered WHAT!!!!!!!!!!! there is only one Jesus!
The other speaking said to him.
I am asking you which one, The one you keep trying to imitate? Or the risen Jesus that desires to live his risen life through you? That he saw right away the difference and has not touched a drop since.
Turn to God, God did take away all the nasty nines and dirty dozen away through Son for us all to be new in Son's risen Life for them to love all, not just those one might choose to, ALL! for all and these become content in all things here on earth whether it be good or bad
Thanks Blain, you are a perfect example of this in your testament
 

homwardbound

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NOT!!! Sin is completely cleansed in those who are BORN AGAIN by FAITH in Jesus SIN Offering (Eph 2,:8,9).

NO "born again" = NO cleansing of SIN.
okay, so then God is punishing the "Unbeliever" God only died for a few, not all. I mean at the time Christ went to that cross, we all were, are sinners, Did he not die once for us all
Hebrews 10. As I see there is no new life in death is there, the willing death first took away sin in Daddy's sight for us the people? God is not God of the dead? All were dead, therefore he did die once for all correct? Unbelievers are dead yes, Yet now will God not talk with them since Son did what Son did once fro everyone (Hebrews 10:10)
Thanks for your view, sharing my view, thank you
Did he not say, Forgive them Father, they know not what they do. Therefore he did come to save us all, at least give all the chance to be saved through him, by belief right?
 

homwardbound

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In Revelation 21:8 we read, the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, the murderers, the fornicators, the sorcerers, the idolaters,
and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death. So it is not just murderers.

it is "Unbelievers" in the risen Son to lead them, that say they believe and work iniquity over glorying in iniquity. The need for God to lead as in Luke 18:9-14 that later part of that scenario, the sinner that asks to be forgiven, which now today are is forgiven, we are here after the cross, that was before the cross
 

Magenta

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it is "Unbelievers" in the risen Son to lead them, that say they believe and work iniquity over glorying in iniquity.
The need for God to lead as in Luke 18:9-14 that later part of that scenario, the sinner that asks to be forgiven,
which now today are is forgiven, we are here after the cross, that was before the cross
Revelation was not written before the cross...
 

homwardbound

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Revelation was not written before the cross...
I did not say Revelations was written before the cross,
I said that part in Luke 18 was written, yes after the cross,
Yet the Chapters before the death, burial and resurrection are all before the cross took place

we have the four Gospels as written everything before the cross was under Law. Christ fulfilling Law he was under Law and the pinkly o e that ever fulfilled Law
That is why I said those verses in Luke 18 was before the cross had ever taken place and now after we are reconciled. forgiven
seeing a before the cross in the New Testament and after the cross. we have a before and after effect. It is not usually seen this truth a before and after the cross. That really began to clear a lot of things up for me.
 
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okay, so then God is punishing the "Unbeliever" God only died for a few, not all. I mean at the time Christ went to that cross, we all were, are sinners, Did he not die once for us all
potentially yes. His SIN OFFERING was sufficient for all.

Therefore he did come to save us all, at least give all the chance to be saved through him, by belief right?
Belief doesn't mean SPIT, since it doesn't align with Heb 11:1. Belief has no "SUBSTANCE", and isn't an "EVIDENCE" of anything other than your personal opinion.
 

homwardbound

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It was not an accusation.
I, did not even have any thought of any accusation. I just answered as read. I guess there is confusion. You mentioned Revelations, I did not see anything in my post of your reply mentioned(s) anything of Revelations
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Magenta said:
Revelation was not written before the cross...

I do not see ant relevance to my post, will you elaborate or we just continue moving forward
Thanks for being you
 

homwardbound

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potentially yes. His SIN OFFERING was sufficient for all.



Belief doesn't mean SPIT, since it doesn't align with Heb 11:1. Belief has no "SUBSTANCE", and isn't an "EVIDENCE" of anything other than your personal opinion.
Interesting skewing out words, might cause people to swallow camels
Belief, in the risen Son is Faith to Father to me at least, and a fat yes to Hebrews 11, all those were looking forward to the promise, and none received this promise from Father, because the cross of Son had not happened yet. So they were there in Spirit prison when Son showed up to preach to them, then risen. Matthew 27:52 states they got risen when Christ got risen.
They, those believers, Hebrews 11 ( "Belief"that means SPIT to you) were looking forward, we today are looking back to that miraculous event that divides human history
Before the cross: "Under Law"
After the cross: "Upholding Law" The Law of Love, God's Love to all, not a few, All, thank you love you and all others also
Hebrews 10:10
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 13:18
Pray for us: for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly.

Key word, and not semantics either "Willing" "the art of fighting without fighting" that is exactly what I see Jesus did do, all the way to his one time willing death only. Now risen alive for us to be given new life in his risen Life from Father (PaPa)
Thanks friend in the risen Son
 

Magenta

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I, did not even have any thought of any accusation. I just answered as read. I guess there is confusion. You mentioned Revelations, I did not see anything in my post of your reply mentioned(s) anything of Revelations
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Magenta said:
Revelation was not written before the cross...

I do not see ant relevance to my post, will you elaborate or we just continue moving forward
Thanks for being you
You responded to my post (to Blain) about Revelations. Hey, you seem to be more forgetful than I am LOL.