Is It important that men work to bring their families up?

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phil36

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I just thought I would ask the question. I personally think it is important for men to go to work, it also sets a good example to their children aswell. I'm not talking about the ladies working. Im just referring to men.


In the UK we have a good welfare system (and I wholeheartedly think we need it), however the downside is it harbours a lot of malingerers, lazy men who would rather laze about and spunge of Tax payers.

Is that the right attitude for a Christian man or Should they work to feed themselves and not be lazy malingerers.?

Whats your thoughts?
 
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I think you said it about right. Sets a good example, and unless there is a VERY valid reason why someone should not work or should be turning down a particular job....then they should be working.
 
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I was and still am a stay at home mom. (Sad that there is a catch fraze for this kind of thing now.)
My husband , has always worked, doing whatever is needed to provide for his family.
This has given a witness of the love and streangth of God Our Father, not only to our own children, but the many children that came to our home and called it home over the years.
I do not want to say that those that have to both work is wrong, or the single parent.
But there is a security and care that is witnessed to and given in this family setting.
My home was often filled with the children and young adults that had no one at home, no father to provide, so the mother carried the weight of this burden herself.
Because of my husbands commitment and belief in this responcibuility, I was able to fill the needs of not just my own children, but those that had been abandoned by their father.
These now adults look to my husband as dad, and me as their other mom.
They come to him for advice, and call on him when in need.
Its not just the financial provision that needs to be filled, but the care, love and example that is so important.
I grew up without a father, mine abandoning us when we were young.
Watching my husband's commitment has witnessed to me the sreangth,disapline, love, care and compassion that one can know in God Our Father.
It has also brought healing not only to my heart, but I have seen this also in the hearts of those that he became a father to.
One has to wonder at the many ways the role of the father has been deminished these days, from the way a father is shown as a foolish and clueless baffoon on tv, to the father that simply walks away because there is a goverment to take the responcibuility instead.
It is not just the financial aspect that has been deminished, but the very streangth of the father that has been carefully eliminated.
I am so afraid for the future and the spiritual place of fathers now and in the future, saddly if one were to speak to this, they would be considered out of place or our times.
My question is, since when did the provision, care and love of God Our Father go out of style?
My hope is, that men of God will again, return to the place that God gave them, bringing the witness of His love to the next generation.

in Jesus, God bless.
pickles
 
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pickles said:
I was and still am a stay at home mom. (Sad that there is a catch fraze for this kind of thing now.)
My husband , has always worked, doing whatever is needed to provide for his family.
This has given a witness of the love and streangth of God Our Father, not only to our own children, but the many children that came to our home and called it home over the years.
I do not want to say that those that have to both work is wrong, or the single parent.
But there is a security and care that is witnessed to and given in this family setting.
My home was often filled with the children and young adults that had no one at home, no father to provide, so the mother carried the weight of this burden herself.
Because of my husbands commitment and belief in this responcibuility, I was able to fill the needs of not just my own children, but those that had been abandoned by their father.
These now adults look to my husband as dad, and me as their other mom.
They come to him for advice, and call on him when in need.
Its not just the financial provision that needs to be filled, but the care, love and example that is so important.
I grew up without a father, mine abandoning us when we were young.
Watching my husband's commitment has witnessed to me the sreangth,disapline, love, care and compassion that one can know in God Our Father.
It has also brought healing not only to my heart, but I have seen this also in the hearts of those that he became a father to.
One has to wonder at the many ways the role of the father has been deminished these days, from the way a father is shown as a foolish and clueless baffoon on tv, to the father that simply walks away because there is a goverment to take the responcibuility instead.
It is not just the financial aspect that has been deminished, but the very streangth of the father that has been carefully eliminated.
I am so afraid for the future and the spiritual place of fathers now and in the future, saddly if one were to speak to this, they would be considered out of place or our times.
My question is, since when did the provision, care and love of God Our Father go out of style?
My hope is, that men of God will again, return to the place that God gave them, bringing the witness of His love to the next generation.

in Jesus, God bless.
pickles
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Wonderful heart warming post Pickles. Your right the role of a Father has been diminished. But I also think men cneed to reclaim their ' manhood' (biblically!). Your husband and yourself Pickles are an example to us all.

Blessings
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agree, they should set an example

besides:
if the man expects his wife to obey him and "take care of the house" like the bible tells her to, HE should take care of her and the house financially like the bible tells him to :)
also, like pickes said, the husband also needs to show his love for the family (as in, not work 24-7 either, unless he has no choice)
 
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phil36 said:
Wonderful heart warming post Pickles. Your right the role of a Father has been diminished. But I also think men cneed to reclaim their ' manhood' (biblically!). Your husband and yourself Pickles are an example to us all.

Blessings
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Thankyou phil, but the funny thing is, we always made mistakes. I believe that whatever was good or perfect, is given through the power of God Our Father. All is His glory!
Its not about one doing everything right, its God's presance and blessings bringing the good in all one does.
In the same way that the presance of a father brings love to His children, God Our Father brings His presance to this obedience of a father.
Ive seen many a dad that couldnt do the many things portrayed as the perfect dad, yet in their childrens eyes they were perfect. Because of the love and presance of God in their fathers.
Quite honestly, Im amazed that our children survived us, :) it is the love and grace of Jesus, given by God Our Father that made all good.
It is not by our streangth, but the grace of God in Jesus that brings all needed.
Again, it is the presance of a father that brings love to His family, and the obedience to God Our Father that brings His presance to all, thus bringing love and making good all to His glory.

God bless.
pickles
 
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I think it is sad that we have become a lazy society. One of the punishments caused by the fall was the fact that MEN would WORK hard to earn his wage and support his family. Paul even states that a man who does not work (a busybody) will not eat. and he states that if a brother has been warned and still does not change, that we should not keep company with that person, (so that they may be ashamed)

Now of course, if a man is medically unable to work, this is another subject. But if he is able and refuses. Scripture is clear what to do. I know it is "demeaning" to work at lowes when you have a degree or worked at a high paying job and lost it because of the economy. But my dad did this when he was laid of from GM, And I did it when I was out of work. At least it puts food on the table.
 
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phil36 said:
In the UK we have a good welfare system (and I wholeheartedly think we need it), however the downside is it harbours a lot of malingerers, lazy men who would rather laze about and spunge of Tax payers.
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Are you on welfare? Did you get lazy and spunge off tax Payers? Why are you judging these folks?

Matthew 7:3-5 (New International Version, ©2011)

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
 
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phil36 said:
I just thought I would ask the question. I personally think it is important for men to go to work, it also sets a good example to their children aswell. I'm not talking about the ladies working. Im just referring to men.


In the UK we have a good welfare system (and I wholeheartedly think we need it), however the downside is it harbours a lot of malingerers, lazy men who would rather laze about and spunge of Tax payers.

Is that the right attitude for a Christian man or Should they work to feed themselves and not be lazy malingerers.?

Whats your thoughts?
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The desire of the sluggard kills him
for his hands refuse to labor. Prov 21:25 RSV
 
phil36

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David_1 said:
Are you on welfare? Did you get lazy and spunge off tax Payers? Why are you judging these folks?

Matthew 7:3-5 (New International Version, ©2011)

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
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Hi David,

No I am not on welfare, I have worked hard since I left school. I do not have a problem with welfare in that, it is a safety net for the vulnerable, those just made redundant and Kids etc.

It is not for the Lazy who just can't be bothered to work.

Am I judging, I can actually name a lot of people I know, grew up in school with etc who have never worked, don't want to work and have brought their families up on tax payers money.

Another example, I live in quite a big street, 50 houses.. Out of 50 Households there are only 8 where the man works (and Im one of them).

As I said I have no problem with genuine people, its the lazy ones, who just want to spunge of everyone else. and whats worse expect it as their right!

My main point was, is it right for a christian man to do this... ,,?
 
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