Is Jesus Christ a God ?
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Z
So, that would be saying that Jesus was praying to Himself when He prayed. Do you believe this?
(Oneness is different from Trinitarianism. Trinitarianism says that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all of one nature, but are at the same time distinct within the Godhead.
Oneness says that God is one nature, and that the Father is not distinct at all from the Son nor the Spirit. They are all one person.)
(Oneness is different from Trinitarianism. Trinitarianism says that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all of one nature, but are at the same time distinct within the Godhead.
Oneness says that God is one nature, and that the Father is not distinct at all from the Son nor the Spirit. They are all one person.)
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As Jesus father is God, he is his son
As Jesus human mother was mary, he was human. He rose and he is spirit now.
My foundation is built on the Son of God. I declare this. Jesus was concieved by the holy spirit and that does not make him made like us, because we were made by the will of our mother and father, but Jesus was made by the will of God, his father.
What does make Jesus so special is the fact that he obeyed his father till death and no sin was found in him.
We cant have one without the other. If you accept Jesus the Son, you are obeying God. If you obey Jesus, you are serving the Father.
What about the verses I quoted. Did you acknowledge them?
Quote please.
In the beginning he was THE WORD. ..........The WORD is everything that comes out of God's mouth.
Let us create man in OUR image. The word was always beside God and proceeded out of Gods mouth.
Because he's the WORD
He is the firstborn of the dead. The first one resurrected.
If he says that the Father is greater than him, than why dont you listen to him. He's telling us something here.
Yes God gave all authority to his son to act on his behalf.
Put two and two together.
He said he didn't know the day nor the hour and only his Father knew. Are you saying that he lied?
Yes you could and so could a million others who's religions and foundations came out of the Catholic church. The point is, If we dont understand what the Word is we will get stuck.
Why cant some understand that it was God's WORD that became flesh. This word has a name now and his own identity and life in himself, just as God has life in himself, and we identify the Word now as Jesus Christ the Son of God.
Grace and Love[/quote]
Yes same to you.
As Jesus human mother was mary, he was human. He rose and he is spirit now.
My foundation is built on the Son of God. I declare this. Jesus was concieved by the holy spirit and that does not make him made like us, because we were made by the will of our mother and father, but Jesus was made by the will of God, his father.
What does make Jesus so special is the fact that he obeyed his father till death and no sin was found in him.
We cant have one without the other. If you accept Jesus the Son, you are obeying God. If you obey Jesus, you are serving the Father.
What about the verses I quoted. Did you acknowledge them?
Quote please.
In the beginning he was THE WORD. ..........The WORD is everything that comes out of God's mouth.
Let us create man in OUR image. The word was always beside God and proceeded out of Gods mouth.
Because he's the WORD
He is the firstborn of the dead. The first one resurrected.
If he says that the Father is greater than him, than why dont you listen to him. He's telling us something here.
Yes God gave all authority to his son to act on his behalf.
Put two and two together.
He said he didn't know the day nor the hour and only his Father knew. Are you saying that he lied?
Yes you could and so could a million others who's religions and foundations came out of the Catholic church. The point is, If we dont understand what the Word is we will get stuck.
Why cant some understand that it was God's WORD that became flesh. This word has a name now and his own identity and life in himself, just as God has life in himself, and we identify the Word now as Jesus Christ the Son of God.
Grace and Love[/quote]
Yes same to you.
R
Yes I can talk to myself in my head why can God not pray to Himself since He is 100% Human and 100% God. In His Human form He Prayed, in His God form He made miracles and resurrected from the dead. Is this the only thing keeping you from believing the Oneness of God? Why do you not believe in the Oneness of God?
Z
I'm going to respond to the verses you post before (since you wanted me to do so).
John 3:18 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believe in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Yes.
John 3:18 He that believe on him is not condemned; but he that believe not is condemned already, because he has NOT BELIEVED in the name of the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.
Yes. I would make the point that the Greek word "monogenes" means "one of a kind, unique." The word "begotten" is not found in the earliest manuscripts. But no matter, let's move on.
John 5:22 For the FATHER judges no man, but has committed all judgement unto the SON
Yes. The Son judges.
Let the field exult, and all that is in it.
Then all the trees of the forest will sing for joy
Before the LORD, for He is coming,
For He is coming to judge the earth.
He will judge the world in righteousness
And the peoples in His faithfulness. (Psalm 96:12-13)
John 5:23 That all men should HONOR the SON, even as they HONOR the FATHER, which has SENT him.
Yes, we should honor the Son just as we honor the Father. We should honor him as God incarnate, the only Son of the living God.
The Son, The Son, The Son........What does the word Son mean?
It means the eternal Word who came into human flesh, who pitched his tent among his own people, the very people he created and the very people he was born into, by the flesh, from the root of Jesse, of the tribe of David. The Word was in the beginning with God. He also was God.
If I say to you "Hi, I cant be with you right now, but I will send my son on my behalf, and he will meet with you and give you my message" does that mean that my son is me?
No one is saying that the Son is the Father. The Son is not the Father.
He has the nature of deity, though, as the Father does.
And if that son was me, you would call me a liar and say "You said you were sending your Son, you tricked me"
...what?
God cant lie remember. Everything that proceeds out of his mouth is truth.
"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one can come to the Father except through me."
Son means offspring.
Yes, from the root of Jesse, from the tribe of David according to the flesh. What's different between us and Jesus, however, is that before Abraham was born, Jesus shared glory with the Father in his presence. (John 8:28, 17:5)
The angels declared it to Mary
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called "THE SON OF GOD"
Yes.
I don't think you'd want to look a few verses ahead...that might be dangerous to your position.
Here, I'll just bring it up for you:
And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.
(Luke 1:76-79)
Now let's focus on these two bold texts for a moment.
Now, what does the first one sound like?
The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. (Isaiah 40:3)
And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; (Luke 1:76)
Now, let's take this even further:
This is he who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah: "A voice of one calling in the desert, 'Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.'" (Matthew 3:3)
"a voice of one calling in the desert, 'Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.'" (Mark 1:3)
John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, "I am the voice of one calling in the desert, 'Make straight the way for the Lord.'"
Now, let's stop here for a moment and focus on this.
What is so significant about this?
Well, you notice that the letters for God are now lowercase, meaning the word "kurios," Lord, is being used.
Before, it was LORD, meaning YHWH I believe.
To the gospel writers, Jesus was this Lord.
YHWH = LORD = Lord
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Let's go to the next text for a short while:
Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. (Luke 1:78-79)
This is referring to John 1:1-18. In the Son, in the Word, was life, and the life was the light of men.
In the same place, a few verses before, this Word is said to be God.
This would be "Messiah the Lord" (Luke 2:11), the Savior of us.
God himself speaking
John 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased.
Yes.
John the baptist speaking
John 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the SON OF GOD.
He also bore record that He was greater than Him because He was before Him.
The disciples declared it
Matt 14:33 And they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a TRUTH thou are the SON OF GOD
Yes, because he could control nature, the very nature he made in the first place.
Even Lucifer knows Jesus is the Son of God
Matthew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the SON OF GOD, command that these stones be made bread.
It is also written to worship the Lord your God and serve Him only, is it not?
And, of course, if we're true believers we worship Jesus and honor Him just as we honor the Father, servants to Christ.
And Lucifers angels know too
Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, thou SON OF GOD? have you come here to torment us before the time?
Yes.
The thief on the cross
Matthew 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroys the temple, and build it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the SON OF GOD, come down from the cross.
Funny, didn't Jesus say He would raise His body in three days? "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." (John 2:19).
Jesus rose himself from the dead. If not, then you make Him out to be a liar.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in ANY OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved
I forgot the point you were trying to make in the first place...who denies this?
John 20:31 But these are WRITTEN, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON OF GOD; and that believing ye might have life through HIS NAME
Yes, I do have life in "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28)
Can you see the rythmn of the message?.....
All I see is that you select texts where He's referred to as the only Son of God (which does imply His deity as the Jews recognized (John 10:36))
I'm happy to debate this with you, but I'll probably get kicked off for denying the diety of Christ when in actual fact it is you guys who are denying Christ's diety because you say "there is no Son" he is God.
No one denies He's the Son. He has the nature of God as the Son of God, as well as the nature of a human, the form He came to earth in and exists in now.
He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
You have been conned and I dont wish to discourage you or compremise your faith, but to enrich you with truth. Because if we go wrong here, right at the foundation of our faith..... which is Christ, the corner stone, .......and if we dont even truly know who he is because we've listened to men who have invented their own doctrine, then we will build our foundation on bad soil and the holy spirit will be grieved because the full truth cannot grow out of something that has been corrupted.
I'll leave it at that for now.
God bless and take care.
Well, all we have to do is follow His words; "If you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins."
Grace and Love
John 3:18 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believe in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Yes.
John 3:18 He that believe on him is not condemned; but he that believe not is condemned already, because he has NOT BELIEVED in the name of the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.
Yes. I would make the point that the Greek word "monogenes" means "one of a kind, unique." The word "begotten" is not found in the earliest manuscripts. But no matter, let's move on.
John 5:22 For the FATHER judges no man, but has committed all judgement unto the SON
Yes. The Son judges.
Let the field exult, and all that is in it.
Then all the trees of the forest will sing for joy
Before the LORD, for He is coming,
For He is coming to judge the earth.
He will judge the world in righteousness
And the peoples in His faithfulness. (Psalm 96:12-13)
John 5:23 That all men should HONOR the SON, even as they HONOR the FATHER, which has SENT him.
Yes, we should honor the Son just as we honor the Father. We should honor him as God incarnate, the only Son of the living God.
The Son, The Son, The Son........What does the word Son mean?
It means the eternal Word who came into human flesh, who pitched his tent among his own people, the very people he created and the very people he was born into, by the flesh, from the root of Jesse, of the tribe of David. The Word was in the beginning with God. He also was God.
If I say to you "Hi, I cant be with you right now, but I will send my son on my behalf, and he will meet with you and give you my message" does that mean that my son is me?
No one is saying that the Son is the Father. The Son is not the Father.
He has the nature of deity, though, as the Father does.
And if that son was me, you would call me a liar and say "You said you were sending your Son, you tricked me"
...what?
God cant lie remember. Everything that proceeds out of his mouth is truth.
"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one can come to the Father except through me."
Son means offspring.
Yes, from the root of Jesse, from the tribe of David according to the flesh. What's different between us and Jesus, however, is that before Abraham was born, Jesus shared glory with the Father in his presence. (John 8:28, 17:5)
The angels declared it to Mary
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called "THE SON OF GOD"
Yes.
I don't think you'd want to look a few verses ahead...that might be dangerous to your position.
Here, I'll just bring it up for you:
And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.
(Luke 1:76-79)
Now let's focus on these two bold texts for a moment.
Now, what does the first one sound like?
The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. (Isaiah 40:3)
And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; (Luke 1:76)
Now, let's take this even further:
This is he who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah: "A voice of one calling in the desert, 'Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.'" (Matthew 3:3)
"a voice of one calling in the desert, 'Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.'" (Mark 1:3)
John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, "I am the voice of one calling in the desert, 'Make straight the way for the Lord.'"
Now, let's stop here for a moment and focus on this.
What is so significant about this?
Well, you notice that the letters for God are now lowercase, meaning the word "kurios," Lord, is being used.
Before, it was LORD, meaning YHWH I believe.
To the gospel writers, Jesus was this Lord.
YHWH = LORD = Lord
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let's go to the next text for a short while:
Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. (Luke 1:78-79)
This is referring to John 1:1-18. In the Son, in the Word, was life, and the life was the light of men.
In the same place, a few verses before, this Word is said to be God.
This would be "Messiah the Lord" (Luke 2:11), the Savior of us.
God himself speaking
John 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased.
Yes.
John the baptist speaking
John 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the SON OF GOD.
He also bore record that He was greater than Him because He was before Him.
The disciples declared it
Matt 14:33 And they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a TRUTH thou are the SON OF GOD
Yes, because he could control nature, the very nature he made in the first place.
Even Lucifer knows Jesus is the Son of God
Matthew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the SON OF GOD, command that these stones be made bread.
It is also written to worship the Lord your God and serve Him only, is it not?
And, of course, if we're true believers we worship Jesus and honor Him just as we honor the Father, servants to Christ.
And Lucifers angels know too
Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, thou SON OF GOD? have you come here to torment us before the time?
Yes.
The thief on the cross
Matthew 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroys the temple, and build it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the SON OF GOD, come down from the cross.
Funny, didn't Jesus say He would raise His body in three days? "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." (John 2:19).
Jesus rose himself from the dead. If not, then you make Him out to be a liar.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in ANY OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved
I forgot the point you were trying to make in the first place...who denies this?
John 20:31 But these are WRITTEN, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON OF GOD; and that believing ye might have life through HIS NAME
Yes, I do have life in "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28)
Can you see the rythmn of the message?.....
All I see is that you select texts where He's referred to as the only Son of God (which does imply His deity as the Jews recognized (John 10:36))
I'm happy to debate this with you, but I'll probably get kicked off for denying the diety of Christ when in actual fact it is you guys who are denying Christ's diety because you say "there is no Son" he is God.
No one denies He's the Son. He has the nature of God as the Son of God, as well as the nature of a human, the form He came to earth in and exists in now.
He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
You have been conned and I dont wish to discourage you or compremise your faith, but to enrich you with truth. Because if we go wrong here, right at the foundation of our faith..... which is Christ, the corner stone, .......and if we dont even truly know who he is because we've listened to men who have invented their own doctrine, then we will build our foundation on bad soil and the holy spirit will be grieved because the full truth cannot grow out of something that has been corrupted.
I'll leave it at that for now.
God bless and take care.
Well, all we have to do is follow His words; "If you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins."
Grace and Love
It was definitely the Father.