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One cannot make SOMETHING from nothing so what did God used to make the universe!? The only material to work with was HIMSELF! THE SELF-EXISTING ONE! So in a sense, the proverbial "BODY OF GOD," works the same way.
Sorry, in my original post, I meant to say "something." I was trying to state that IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING WITH NO SUBSTANCE TO WORK WITH.
Hebrews 11:3 only proves my point. That substance was the Word of God.
You fail to undrstand what I said. I don't argue that He created out of nothing. I'm simply stating that the ONLY SUBSTANCE FOR HIM TO USE TO CREATE WAS HIMSELF as He is the ONLY SELF-EXISTING ONE! How can you diminished something that's in all of creation? Haven't you read that when all things are put under Jesus' feet, then He too will be subjected to the One who put all things under his feet so that God can truly be ALL IN ALL! That means He's in EVERYTHING. THAT MEANS EVEN IF THERE IS ONE TREE LEFT IN THE AGE TO COME GOD WILL BE IN THAT TOO!
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God is like a team. You have the Coach(the Father) the Captain(The Word/Son) and the Trainer(Holy Spirit)
It is all in the post about the Triune God.
Christians argued for 4 centuries to get this right. The church has moved on to work out other things. The Nicene Creed was composed in order to deal with any heresy regarding the triune God.
Put it his way - what is there in the Nicene Creed that you disagree with?
It is all in the post about the Triune God.
Christians argued for 4 centuries to get this right. The church has moved on to work out other things. The Nicene Creed was composed in order to deal with any heresy regarding the triune God.
Put it his way - what is there in the Nicene Creed that you disagree with?
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
the Father, the Almighty,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
Rev. 5-6:
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and SEVEN EYES, WHICH ARE THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD SENT FORTH UNTO ALL THE EARTH.
Zechariah 4:8-10
Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
9The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you. 10For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel WITH THOSE SEVEN; THEY ARE THE EYES OF THE LORD, WHICH RUN TO AND FRO THROUGH THE WHOLE EARTH.
Is this God part of the team or is he riding the bench?
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and SEVEN EYES, WHICH ARE THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD SENT FORTH UNTO ALL THE EARTH.
Zechariah 4:8-10
Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
9The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you. 10For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel WITH THOSE SEVEN; THEY ARE THE EYES OF THE LORD, WHICH RUN TO AND FRO THROUGH THE WHOLE EARTH.
Is this God part of the team or is he riding the bench?
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13: The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. Acts 3:13
Here we see Jesus has a Father. Peter said his Father is the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. All we have to do is find out who HE is. Then we will know who is the Father of Jesus.
Who IS the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob?
13: And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14: And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
15: And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Ex. 3:13-15
The God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob says he is I AM.
So we can see very plainly that the I AM is the Father of Jesus Christ.
Who is Jesus Christ HIMSELF?
57: Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58: Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8: 57-58
There it is. The Father of Jesus is I AM. Jesus is I AM.
Jesus is BOTH the Father and the Son.
Peter said The God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob IS the Father of Jesus.
Yet Jesus IS the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.
According to the doctrine of Peter Jesus is his own father.
Here we see Jesus has a Father. Peter said his Father is the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. All we have to do is find out who HE is. Then we will know who is the Father of Jesus.
Who IS the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob?
13: And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14: And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
15: And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Ex. 3:13-15
The God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob says he is I AM.
So we can see very plainly that the I AM is the Father of Jesus Christ.
Who is Jesus Christ HIMSELF?
57: Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58: Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8: 57-58
There it is. The Father of Jesus is I AM. Jesus is I AM.
Jesus is BOTH the Father and the Son.
Peter said The God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob IS the Father of Jesus.
Yet Jesus IS the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.
According to the doctrine of Peter Jesus is his own father.
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Jesus is God
(Joh 8:56) Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
(John 8:57) Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
(John 8:58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
This above verse is a what Jesus references to.. by saying before Abraham was I AM
Jesus- forgave sin.. who can do this but God?
Cast out demons-- who can cast out demons under their own authority but God?
(Joh 8:56) Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
(John 8:57) Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
(John 8:58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
This above verse is a what Jesus references to.. by saying before Abraham was I AM
Jesus- forgave sin.. who can do this but God?
Cast out demons-- who can cast out demons under their own authority but God?
Jesus is the Son Of God.
God is often referred to as 'God the Father. Jesus is God's son, but has been given the title God by His Father(hope I am not confusing you)
I look at it as. God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit. Jesus is co equal with his Father, but within the trinity is a heirarchy with the Father at the head.
Jesus cannot be God the Father, Paul is quite plain on the subject.
'Then the end will come when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destoyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he has put everything under his feet. Now when it says that everything has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include3 God Himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son Himself will be subject to Him who put everything under Him, so that God may be all in all. 1Cor15:24-28
God is often referred to as 'God the Father. Jesus is God's son, but has been given the title God by His Father(hope I am not confusing you)
I look at it as. God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit. Jesus is co equal with his Father, but within the trinity is a heirarchy with the Father at the head.
Jesus cannot be God the Father, Paul is quite plain on the subject.
'Then the end will come when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destoyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he has put everything under his feet. Now when it says that everything has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include3 God Himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son Himself will be subject to Him who put everything under Him, so that God may be all in all. 1Cor15:24-28
How is it a dangerous thing to say when the Bible teaches that when the Son is subjected, truly God will be ALL IN ALL? How can it diminish One who gave existence to everything else? God's own law states that you need a 'material' so to speak,to make anything! He does not break His own Laws whether they be physical, spiritual or otherwise. THE ONLY SUBSTANCE HE HAD TO CREATE WAS OF HIMSELF BY USE OF HIS WORD!