Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?

[Eccl12and13]

Thank God that men like him go to the grave with that type of thinking. Jesus WILL save ALL.

Please provide Book, Chap and verse that supports your claim.

For as God's word tells us... we are to live by EVERY word of God. That would be Gen. to Rev.


Deut.8
[3] And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Matt.4
[4] But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


We are also told to use those words for doctrine, reproof AND correction.


2 Tim.3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Now....you claim that, "Jesus WILL save all". Then again I ask....Please provide Book, Chap and verse that supports your claim.



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[Eccl12and13]

Readers.....let's not confuse what Jesus did in the past...

Rom.5
[18] Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

With what He is going to do in the future...

Rev.22
[11] He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
[12] And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
[13] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


Even though the shedding of Jesus blood gave ALL of mankind the chance at eternal life.......please understand....


Readers.......Jesus WILL not reward everyone upon His return! Some....WILL be punished!


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[Eccl12and13]

Let's read what will be the fate of those that do not obey the Lord....


Isa.33
[14] The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

Dan.12
[2] And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Matt.25
[41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels
[46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


These are just a few scriptures that let's us know the mind of God concerning those that do not obey His words.


Does God desire ALL to be saved? Of course He does. But does the above sound like God will allow ALL to be saved? Of course not.


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[hermanodaniel]

Many accuse born again Christians and some go even as far as accusing Paul of doing away with the Law when in reality it’s not the Law that is abolished its the old man in the flesh to whom the Law applies that is dead.

How can some one worship in spirit and truth yet be alive to the letter of the law in the flesh (sinful nature)? Romans 7 states that this is spiritual adultery… You can’t be alive in the flesh and state you are in the truth in the spirit. If the the new covenant states the law is now written in our hearts then that means that we should understand the true intention behind the letter. The true intents are in the spirit. The Law written in our hearts is not the one written on tablets of stone that is to say the letter of the Law. The Law written in our hearts is the Law of Christ. John 13:34-35 In order to walk in the spirit one must first acknowledge they have sinned against the letter of the law thus resulting in death because the wages of sin is death. No one can say they haven’t sinned because 1 John 1:8-10 states those who state they don’t are liars and therefore have no room in their hearts for the truth. We know that sin is trangression against the law so when we read 1 John 1:8-10 we see that no one can keep the law.

BUT if we trust in Christ we are united in His death and His resurrection and are imputed His righteousness. Now if we trust in Christ and are united in His death and resurrection we are born again regenerated in the spirit to see the kingdom of God which is in His Word. Thus we see for instance that the sabbath rest is eternal because we rest daily in Christ. This truth is of the spirit but the letter will keep pointing you to the physical rest. Anyone who focuses on the letter of the law when the new covenant states its in our hearts (through Christ) is in the flesh and will be dominated by it since they will always stumble at one and thus break them all.

This is why Paul states who would deliver him from his wretched body thanks be to the Lord Jesus. He can delight in God’s Law after the inward man which is in the spirit meaning his flesh is dead which means that he is united in Christ death as a result of acknowledging that he has sinned against the law and was in need of a redeemer. We are to die daily carrying our cross and guess what? The true intents of the commandments are revealed because when we shine for Christ (walking in the spirit and love of Christ) we are pointing people to the one true God, we are not placing idols in front of God because we have crucified self and its passions, we are not taking the Lord’s name in vain because we are proclaiming it through the Gospel by acts of love and action, we are not breaking His Sabbath or defiling it because we are reaching to those who are lost in need of rest and forgiveness, we are honoring our parents in love, we are not murdering anyone with our thoughts since we walking in love, we are not stealing, we are not bearing false witness but the truth and we are not coveting anybody’s possession because those who are won over for Christ are our joy, glory and crown in the presence of Jesus Christ!!! HalleluYah

In order to be at the same page you have to stop trying reinterpret what Paul is saying because He’s quite clear in His epistles once you diligently compare what He is saying especially in Galatians and Romans. Everything goes together perfectly without compromising anything thus evidence that He was inspired by God.

The Law of Moses (the letter) applies to the old man to which should be dead to sin and the new man serves after the newness of spirit (Romans 7:6) When one abides in Christ they put on this new man which serves God in Spirit and in Truth. If one is walking in the spirit and living after the spirit they will not gratify the flesh and its passions which is the old man that is condemned by the letter of the law. Do we stumble at times yes sometimes glimpses of our old man shows its ugly head for example: pride, our tongue lashes out something it shouldn't have, adulterous thoughts, strife and contention with others etc. Now to worship in spirit and in truth means that we cannot serve God after the flesh because since the flesh is subject to the letter of the law and falls short it can never please God as Paul states in Romans 8. The flesh will always seek to glorify self and this is it’s very nature. Despite the flesh (the old man) sinning against the law in pride it is prone at times to state I have not sinned or in pride it points to partial obedience as being obedient when partial obedience is the same as disobedience.

To worship in truth is to acknowledge we have sinned against the letter and since we have trusted in Christ we are made a new creation now this is the new man that always seeks to Glorify Christ. It will never point to self-righteousness but to Christ and His finish work. Now the new man begins to sees the Word of God in it’s true form sort of speak which is in the spirit. The Scriptures are then opened up to the new man (1 Corinthians 2) and the deep things of God are revealed like the Law of Christ and how the Law of Moses has a richer meaning other than it’s literal meaning. Thus why Nicodemus could not understand how Jesus’ speaking spiritual words was stating we are to be born again when Nicodemus only understood this in a literal way.

We are to keep Christ’s words because He kept his Father’s John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
Notice here Jesus says MY commands and goes on to say as HE has kept His Father’s.
He was perfect in the flesh who can claim such perfection? No one. Are we God in the flesh? Nope God shares His glory with no one.

The Father gave Jesus the words (the Law of Christ) to command us to obey. We obey his words in the spirit when we are dead to the flesh acknowledging we fall short and failed at keeping the law (10 commandments) in the flesh yet trusting in Christ’s redemption being born again to live after the spirit. Jesus obeyed His Father’s in the flesh because He was perfect. Can anyone tame their sinful nature to keep the law of Moses? Scriptures states you can’t 1 John 1:8-10 (Sin is transgressing the law) Hence why we are made righteous in Christ and not in ourselves. Now many will say but that gives you a license to sin! Nope because if we don’t keep Jesus’ words (the Law of Christ) to love one another sacrificially in the spirit we are not of Christ nor of the Father’s. But what about the sabbath? The true intents of the sabbath are in the spirit and thus why its eternal. Can you seriously think that we are going to rest eternally only one day of the week when eternity has no time? No, because the truth is we now rest daily in Christ in the spirit and preaching the Gospel to reach others who are tired and lost in their sins that they may enter the rest God intended and oh how glorious is that rest! Matthew 11:28-30 Isaiah 11:10

God wants to enlarge our hearts (Psalm 119:32). The love of God has been poured out in our hearts but it still requires that we ask God to enlarge our hearts daily since we are constantly battling with our flesh. We know that Love is the fulfillment of the law and Paul was a prime example of how God enlarged his heart throughout his ministry and how God also longs to enlarge ours as well. (Philippians 1:7, 2 Corinthians 6:1-13; 11:24-28) We are knitted together in love (Colossians 2:2) just as David and Jonathan were knitted or united together in love so should the Body of Christ be in the same way. We are each others joy, crown and glory (1 Thessalonians 2:19-20). We live to see others firm in Christ! (1 Thessalonians 3:8) Christ gave us the Law of Christ John 13:34-35 and John 15:12. We are to love as HE LOVED us which was a sacrificial love. Jesus said "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13 There are many that have literally laid down their lives for others for the sake of the Gospel mostly in 3rd world countries but prior to that ultimate act of love they were already dying to self/flesh carrying their cross and loving others despite being insulted by them, taken advantaged of, beaten on etc. yet winning some of them over for the sake of the Gospel. Again "Jesus said Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." We do just that when we abide in Christ and live and walk after the spirit. Choosing to love the unlovable, the homeless, the poor, the sick, those imprisoned etc. This is done by walking as Jesus walked which was spirit not flesh. "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." John 13:35

Notice that Christ states a new commandment that on the surface seems to be the same as Leviticus 19:18 which is Love your neighbor as yourself BUT actually it's not because Jesus states "Love others as I HAVE LOVED YOU" thus a sacrificial love that requires death to the flesh. This is the LAW OF CHRIST now written in our hearts if we are born again in the spirit of God.

 

[hermanodaniel]

The Torah exposes sin for what it is and you need to be counted dead to sin that Christ may live in you otherwise your flesh will have dominion over you as it is provoked by the Torah in your members. Those in the flesh cannot please God but if you are dead to sin opposed to being dead IN sin, you are then abiding in the new creation that God has created through His Son’s sacrifice and resurrection which is Christ in you the hope of Glory! A regenerated spirit is one with Christ and in order for that transformation to manifest outwardly one must die daily to me, myself and I that Christ may be the center bearing fruit to the glory of God. Upholding the Torah and not making it void does not mean that we can now keep it in our flesh. It means that inwardly we are to recognize that we have transgress it and instead of excusing ourselves or justifying sin we are acknowledging our sin and thus bringing death to our flesh as a result but living in the spirit because Christ lives in us.
John 4:24 is exactly that when taken into context and compared with Psalm 51:6, Job 38:36, Jeremiah 31:22 (Rightly diving the Word). Just as Jesus revealed to the Samaritan woman her sins and she truthfully responded in saying she had no husband she was demonstrating what the Father was desiring from us. The Father desire that upon our sins being exposed that we truthfully speak what we are harboring in our inward parts which is sin which is transgression against the Torah. Partial obedience is not what the Father wants because compare what happened to Saul in 1 Samuel 15 he was rejected! We will never obey in our FLESH the Torah because it provokes our flesh to sin. If a little yeast works through the whole dough what do you think a little sin would do? Could you imagine our thoughts on display for everyone to see? It would expose anyone and everyone. To worship in spirit and in truth is to willingly admit and acknowledge our sin and the wages of sin is death to our flesh but in Christ it doesn’t have to mean death to our spirit as well. Why? Because Christ lives in us and we are united in spirit with the Author of Life.
Since we are made one with Christ all the realities and promises of God are now ours. Thus we can finally rest having peace with God. For some reason alot people call that lawlessness but that is quite the contrary since those who are made new in Christ cannot rush into sin. It’s silly to say why are you not walking in the shadows of Christ (according to the Torah that applies to the Flesh) when we are walking in Christ which means we are walking upholding the Torah truthfully in our hearts.

 

[angelofmercy]

Please provide Book, Chap and verse that supports your claim.

For as God's word tells us... we are to live by EVERY word of God. That would be Gen. to Rev.


Deut.8
[3] And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Matt.4
[4] But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


We are also told to use those words for doctrine, reproof AND correction.


2 Tim.3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Now....you claim that, "Jesus WILL save all". Then again I ask....Please provide Book, Chap and verse that supports your claim.



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Do I really have to go over the basics of what SHOULD BE everyone's foundation when reading the bible?

2 Timothy 2:1-6

2*I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2*For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3*For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4*Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5*For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6*Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.



He gave Himself a random FOR ALL, to be testified in due time. What does "all" mean to you all?

Or will I hear the classic "God wants all to be saved but not all will come to Him" type of feedback?

Use that SAME type of thinking in an example in your life and you'd see how crazy that thought is!

If you purchased a stable full of horses, but before you get what you brought, I tell you even though you PAYED for these horses THEY MUST COME OF THEIR OWN WILL TO YOU, you'd look at me like I was a fool!

You PAID A PRICE! They belong to you, dead or alive!

Even so,

2 Corinthians 6:19-20

19*What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20*For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

 

[Eccl12and13]

Do I really have to go over the basics of what SHOULD BE everyone's foundation when reading the bible?

1 Timothy 2:1-6

1*I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2*For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3*For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4*Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5*For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6*Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Ok.....really? This is the foundation for the doctrine that you preach?

1 Tim.2
[1] I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
[2] For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
[3] For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
[4] Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
[6] Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

So you believe that the above scriptures are saying that God is going to save ALL of mankind?

Please let me know.




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[angelofmercy]

Ok.....really? This is the foundation for the doctrine that you preach?

1 Tim.2
[1] I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
[2] For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
[3] For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
[4] Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
[6] Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

So you believe that the above scriptures are saying that God is going to save ALL of mankind?

Please let me know.




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Yes! Would you like more? And no doctrine. I preach Christ crucified.

Isaiah 25:5-9

5*Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.

6*And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

7*And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

8*He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

9*And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.



HE WILL SWALLOW UP DEATH IN VICTORY! HE WILL WIPE AWAY EVERY TEAR FROM EVERY EYE!

 

[angelofmercy]

Does God will all to be saved? Yes or no

 

[RickShafer]

Do you really think you can save yourself????

Don't you think the very ability to overcome is a gift from God?

What more have we to boast about?

That is my question.......what do we have to boast about?

Answer: Nothing; save int eh blood of Jesus Christ - who lived the perfect life.......
and sent the Comforter to perfect us unto every good and holy work. - - - - - - - - -
(Unless you want to keep arguing about how many angels dance on the head of a pin?)

 

[Eccl12and13]

Does God will all to be saved? Yes or no

Does God desire all to be saved? Yes! But will God save ALL from the lake of fire? Well...to be honest, No! Not one scripture says that ALL will be saved. Let's read carefully the words of the Lord.....

Isa.25
[5] Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.

No mention of God saving all above...

[6] And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

Nor above...

[7] And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

Nor above...

[8] He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

Above it does say that death will be swallowed up in victory...but victory for WHO?

Readers....you must understand at what time this speaks of. And that will be answered in a minute. Let's continue...

Above it also says that tears will be wiped away from ALL faces and God's anger will be removed from ALL of the earth...but again, it does not say that God will save ALL of mankind. Let's read the last verse...

[9] And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.

So the people spoken of above are those that have waited for the Lord's return. But still no words saying that God will save ALL of mankind.


So readers...above I asked the question, "WHO is it that death will be swallowed up in victory for?", and "At what time is being spoken of?". Well....let's read more of God's words for the answer. Let's stay in the book of Isaiah to find what time is being spoken of...


Isa.24
[21] And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
[23] Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

Isa.34
[1] Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
[2] For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
[3] Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
[4] And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.


Now I'm sure the above verses sound like another time we have read of before...but only in the NT. So let's find what time is being spoken of above....



Matt.24
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Rev.6
[14] And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
[15] And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
[16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
[17] For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?



So the time spoke of in Isa. chap's 24, 25, 34 and throughout most of the book, is speaking about the Lord's return AFTER the tribulation period. This we can know by asking the question, "How many times will the following event happen?";

"Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously." Isa.24:23

" Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:" Matt.24:29

"And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places." Rev.6:14


And just how many times will the 'moon be confounded', 'the sun ashamed', 'the moon not give her light', 'the stars fall from heaven', and 'the heaven depart as a scroll'? Only ONCE!

So now that we know what time is being spoken of in the book of Isaiah we can answer the other question; "WHO is it that death will be swallowed up in victory for?" Let's go back and read.....


Matt.24
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Death will be swallowed up for Christ's ELECT. Those that return with Christ are the ones that have received salvation thus far. Those that return will have no worries about dying the second death for they have already been judged and have been found worthy to rule here on earth with Christ for 1000 years.


But what comes AFTER this? What happens AFTER Christ has ruled for 1000 years? Satan is loosed to deceive the nations once more. Then the great battle! And then the great Judgement!


So readers....we can clearly see that God is NOT going to save all of mankind. Some will receive salvation, while some will receive eternal damnation. I'm sure most knew that, but I wanted to provide scriptures to prove it.



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[Eccl12and13]

There are some that believe "faith alone" is all that is needed for salvation. I guess I should ask the question,


"Just what is it a person is to have faith in, in order to receive salvation?"

Exactly what is it they are to believe in?



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[hermanodaniel]

There are some that believe "faith alone" is all that is needed for salvation. I guess I should ask the question,


"Just what is it a person is to have faith in, in order to receive salvation?"

Exactly what is it they are to believe in?



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John 6:28-29
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

 

[Eccl12and13]

John 6:28-29
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

So it is belief in Jesus that is needed for salvation? Is that all that is needed? Does not Satan believe that there is a Jesus? And does he not know personally that He is the Son of God? And how about the following verse....?

James 2
[19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

God's word tells us that even the demons believe there is a God and a Son of God. Will their belief save them?


Can you understand why I ask this question? How can faith alone save a person?


Consider this.....when was it that God knew for a fact that Abraham believed in Him? Was it when Abraham gathered his son to go to the mountain? Was it on the way up the mountain? Was it when he prepared the alter?

At what point did God know for certain that Abraham believed Him? When was Abraham's faith confirmed?




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[hermanodaniel]

So it is belief in Jesus that is needed for salvation? Is that all that is needed? Does not Satan believe that there is a Jesus? And does he not know personally that He is the Son of God? And how about the following verse....?

James 2
[19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

God's word tells us that even the demons believe there is a God and a Son of God. Will their belief save them?


Can you understand why I ask this question? How can faith alone save a person?


Consider this.....when was it that God knew for a fact that Abraham believed in Him? Was it when Abraham gathered his son to go to the mountain? Was it on the way up the mountain? Was it when he prepared the alter?

At what point did God know for certain that Abraham believed Him? When was Abraham's faith confirmed?




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You are failing to see how the emphasis is on faith. Of course genuine faith produces work in love Galatians 5:6 but the emphasis is always faith because obedience is of the spirit. The act of obedience is something that never points to us (that is meaning the flesh) but to Christ's finish work.

 

[hermanodaniel]

So it is belief in Jesus that is needed for salvation? Is that all that is needed? Does not Satan believe that there is a Jesus? And does he not know personally that He is the Son of God? And how about the following verse....?

James 2
[19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

God's word tells us that even the demons believe there is a God and a Son of God. Will their belief save them?


Can you understand why I ask this question? How can faith alone save a person?


Consider this.....when was it that God knew for a fact that Abraham believed in Him? Was it when Abraham gathered his son to go to the mountain? Was it on the way up the mountain? Was it when he prepared the alter?

At what point did God know for certain that Abraham believed Him? When was Abraham's faith confirmed?




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Abraham is no different as he was exercising faith in God's promise and we know that promise was actually a type of Christ. This entire story is a type of what was going to take place in believers in the NT which is dying to self even when we don't understand it.

 

[angelofmercy]

Does God desire all to be saved? Yes! But will God save ALL from the lake of fire? Well...to be honest, No! Not one scripture says that ALL will be saved. Let's read carefully the words of the Lord.....

Isa.25
[5] Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.

No mention of God saving all above...

[6] And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

Nor above...

[7] And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

Nor above...

[8] He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

Above it does say that death will be swallowed up in victory...but victory for WHO?

Readers....you must understand at what time this speaks of. And that will be answered in a minute. Let's continue...

Above it also says that tears will be wiped away from ALL faces and God's anger will be removed from ALL of the earth...but again, it does not say that God will save ALL of mankind. Let's read the last verse...

[9] And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.

So the people spoken of above are those that have waited for the Lord's return. But still no words saying that God will save ALL of mankind.


So readers...above I asked the question, "WHO is it that death will be swallowed up in victory for?", and "At what time is being spoken of?". Well....let's read more of God's words for the answer. Let's stay in the book of Isaiah to find what time is being spoken of...


Isa.24
[21] And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
[23] Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

Isa.34
[1] Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
[2] For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
[3] Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
[4] And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.


Now I'm sure the above verses sound like another time we have read of before...but only in the NT. So let's find what time is being spoken of above....



Matt.24
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Rev.6
[14] And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
[15] And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
[16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
[17] For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?



So the time spoke of in Isa. chap's 24, 25, 34 and throughout most of the book, is speaking about the Lord's return AFTER the tribulation period. This we can know by asking the question, "How many times will the following event happen?";

"Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously." Isa.24:23

" Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:" Matt.24:29

"And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places." Rev.6:14


And just how many times will the 'moon be confounded', 'the sun ashamed', 'the moon not give her light', 'the stars fall from heaven', and 'the heaven depart as a scroll'? Only ONCE!

So now that we know what time is being spoken of in the book of Isaiah we can answer the other question; "WHO is it that death will be swallowed up in victory for?" Let's go back and read.....


Matt.24
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Death will be swallowed up for Christ's ELECT. Those that return with Christ are the ones that have received salvation thus far. Those that return will have no worries about dying the second death for they have already been judged and have been found worthy to rule here on earth with Christ for 1000 years.


But what comes AFTER this? What happens AFTER Christ has ruled for 1000 years? Satan is loosed to deceive the nations once more. Then the great battle! And then the great Judgement!


So readers....we can clearly see that God is NOT going to save all of mankind. Some will receive salvation, while some will receive eternal damnation. I'm sure most knew that, but I wanted to provide scriptures to prove it.



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Again I'm astounded and flabbergasted at how many people open mouth only to insert a foot in it! In THE VERY SAME VERSES YOU QUOTE in Isaiah 25 it says that God will wipe the tears away from ALL FACES! Once again let's do a head count. All means EVERYONE!

You said there's not ONE verse that says God will save all. Ok.

1 Timothy 4:9-10

9*This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.

10*For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Now does "all" mean something different, or do I have to study the greek and hebrew languages in order to interpret this word? Lol

 

[cfultz3]

Again I'm astounded and flabbergasted at how many people open mouth only to insert a foot in it! In THE VERY SAME VERSES YOU QUOTE in Isaiah 25 it says that God will wipe the tears away from ALL FACES! Once again let's do a head count. All means EVERYONE!

You said there's not ONE verse that says God will save all. Ok.

1 Timothy 4:9-10

9*This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.

10*For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Now does "all" mean something different, or do I have to study the greek and hebrew languages in order to interpret this word? Lol

Hello,

May I suggest that you look up the word 'specially' (G3122). And the answer to you question would be that it would not hurt, knowing that words have different meanings than when they were orginally wrote. We see that the word means 'particularly, specifically'. And when we have that understanding, then we know that the verse is saying that God is the Savior of all humans (that He is the means by which one is to be saved), in particular, those who beleive. From other Scripturse we also understand that Jesus came to be the Way. We must then ask how does one make Him their Savior? Again, we know it is through faith in Him. So, that verse is true, He is a Savior for all, but particually for those of faith, those who are of His house. I hope this helps.

 

[angelofmercy]

Hello,

May I suggest that you look up the word 'specially' (G3122). And the answer to you question would be that it would not hurt, knowing that words have different meanings than when they were orginally wrote. We see that the word means 'particularly, specifically'. And when we have that understanding, then we know that the verse is saying that God is the Savior of all humans (that He is the means by which one is to be saved), in particular, those who beleive. From other Scripturse we also understand that Jesus came to be the Way. We must then ask how does one make Him their Savior? Again, we know it is through faith in Him. So, that verse is true, He is a Savior for all, but particually for those of faith, those who are of His house. I hope this helps.

There is NO simplicity on telling anyone that they need to know about greek and hebrew words. Both letters bring death! All is all, and whether it's specially or particular, it STILL means the same!

Their is a common resurrection of all! But for those that truly believe, they will rule with Him.

 

[Eccl12and13]

Again I'm astounded and flabbergasted at how many people open mouth only to insert a foot in it! In THE VERY SAME VERSES YOU QUOTE in Isaiah 25 it says that God will wipe the tears away from ALL FACES! Once again let's do a head count. All means EVERYONE!

You said there's not ONE verse that says God will save all. Ok.

1 Timothy 4:9-10

9*This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.

10*For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Now does "all" mean something different, or do I have to study the greek and hebrew languages in order to interpret this word? Lol

Did you read ALL of what I posted? Do you understand what time period is being spoken of in Isa.25?

This speaks of the time that Christ will rule here on earth for 1000 years. Only those that have returned with Christ as spirit beings will not have to worry about death. Everyone else, those flesh and blood beings that remain, will have to experience death. And it will be those flesh and blood beings that are left whose tears will be wiped away.....ALL of them. Why? Because Christ will be here teaching mankind HIS ways and HIS laws for 1000 years.

And concerning your quote above in Timothy. Christ did come to die for ALL of mankind...but let's read about something else Christ WILL do in the future....

Matt.25
[40] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
[41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
[46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Just another example of that lies in store for those that do not keep the laws and commandments of the Lord.

So listen....I could go on and on with verse after verse concerning how Jesus is going to judge then reward some and punish others. I'm sure most reading this post believe the same doctrine.

So if you truly believe that the Lord is going to save ALL of mankind...then sobeit. There is nothing more for me to give you.


The only one that can open your eyes is the Lord.




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