Is Physical Healing Provided In The Atonement?
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wolfwint -----I think maybe you were addressing the Minister and elders not being Born again and not the protocol for prayer after I reread the post --------well I do agree that there may be 1 out of 99 Ministers and Elders in the church that just might be born again but there are very few ---true Christian pastors and elders in the main stream churches today ------most today still preach serve your neighbour and do good for people and your heaven bound ----no need for Christ ----
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We should focus on verse 5: But he was [1] wounded for our transgressions, he was [2] bruised for our iniquities: [3] the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and [4] with his stripes we are healed.
This verse is all about our sins being laid on Christ, and how His shed blood (from the stripes on His back from which blood flowed copiously as well as from all parts of His body) guarantees the healing of our sin-sick and guilt-ridden souls. And that is what brings peace to the soul. The chastisement was laid on Christ therefore the peace belongs to the believer,
Christ not only paid the full penalty for the sins of the whole world, but He shed His blood for the redemption of our souls. When God forgives the guilty sinner, He does not stop there. He literally and spiritually washes that soul from its total burden of sin and guilt. There is no more remembrance of sin. And this leads to perfect peace within the soul. It is Christ who paid the penalty for all those sins. Therefore the believer can move on with the indwelling Holy Spirit.
That verse never was about physical healing, and God does not guarantee physical healing to His children as such. Divine healings are purely by the grace of God and in answer to prayers. On the other hand it would appear that any Christian who perfectly follows the instructions given by James, and any group of elders who sincerely pray for him will guarantee his healing. The Word says "SHALL BE" healed, not "may be" healed. But there is a process involved as noted in James chapter 5.
This verse is all about our sins being laid on Christ, and how His shed blood (from the stripes on His back from which blood flowed copiously as well as from all parts of His body) guarantees the healing of our sin-sick and guilt-ridden souls. And that is what brings peace to the soul. The chastisement was laid on Christ therefore the peace belongs to the believer,
Christ not only paid the full penalty for the sins of the whole world, but He shed His blood for the redemption of our souls. When God forgives the guilty sinner, He does not stop there. He literally and spiritually washes that soul from its total burden of sin and guilt. There is no more remembrance of sin. And this leads to perfect peace within the soul. It is Christ who paid the penalty for all those sins. Therefore the believer can move on with the indwelling Holy Spirit.
That verse never was about physical healing, and God does not guarantee physical healing to His children as such. Divine healings are purely by the grace of God and in answer to prayers. On the other hand it would appear that any Christian who perfectly follows the instructions given by James, and any group of elders who sincerely pray for him will guarantee his healing. The Word says "SHALL BE" healed, not "may be" healed. But there is a process involved as noted in James chapter 5.
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Thanks Grace_Ambassador for bringing up this interesting point about whether being saved by Christ means we are to be physically in perfect health.
The Bible is written in an interesting way. God calls it a 'parable' way. We read in Psalm 78: "Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. I will open my mouth in a parable... " We see here that the words of God's mouth, which is the Bible, are a parable. And God kindly tells us about parables in Mark 4. There we learn that a parable is a story that has a physical surface meaning, but that, once interpreted, is really talking about spiritual things. For example, the 'seed' mentioned there is not really a bunch of physical plant seeds but is instead 'the word of God'. Thorns mentioned there are not really physical briar thorns, but are 'such as hear the word, And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful. ' So, too, other physical stories in the Bible, are really be talking about spiritual things instead of the surface story. For example, when Joshua took the Israelites across to the other side of the Jordan river, it was really a picture, painted in an easy physical way for us to understand, about how Jesus takes the true believers across the judgment part of the gospel to the other side without harm, such that the judgment had no effect upon them.
Similarly, when we read stories of people being healed in the Bible, we are reading easy to understand physical surface stories, but these stories are really getting at the spiritual meaning. For example, a person was physically blind and calls out to Jesus to be able to see and his sight is restored. This is a wonderful story that happened in real life, but the message is a spiritual one. The message is that a person who is saved was spiritually blind but when they hear of Jesus they call out to him and they become spiritually saved, and then they can see spiritually.
We read, "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; " This is a verse that seems to say that a person was dead. However, it does not mean physically dead, just spiritually dead. Once a person is saved, they are spiritually alive (quickened). If we thought of this as a physical surface story, we would be talking about people who were physically dead. Why should we look at some healings in the Bible as only physical, and other healings as spiritual? We should look at other healings in the Bible as containing this same concept of really being about the spiritual, once the parable is interpreted. Physically lame persons being able to physically walk is a way of painting a picture of of how people who could not walk spiritually can now in Christ walk spiritually. Physical lepers who were physically outside of the physical city, are healed, but this is a way of showing how people being saved are spiritually healed and can now belong to the city of God.
Consider, Lazarus, who was raised from the dead. But what kind of dead? The surface story is about someone who was physically dead. But the picture that is painted about his raising back to life is a perfect picture of someone being spiritually saved. First of all, he was alive but he died. Just like mankind died spiritually due to sin. Secondly, he was stinking and rotting, completely powerless to save himself. Just like we cannot save ourselves, it takes an act of God. God takes the initiative and commands him to come to life. Just like someone who is saved comes to new life in Christ spiritually, in a relationship with God now. Jesus has resurrected Lazarus, but the surface story is really intended to provide a spiritual picture of someone being saved. It is given in a nice physical surface story way that can be easily understood. However, if you just think of it as a surface story about physical healing, you would miss what it is really talking about - being saved.
Think about Lazarus some more. He was brought back to life physically in the surface story but he is not walking around on earth physically today. He died physically. However, Jesus explained that spiritually anyone who is brought to new spiritual life never dies again but goes on to be with the Lord (after physical death). He said: "he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? " So, the story is about the spiritual.
Don't misunderstand. Many times believers pray for themselves or others to be physically healed. That is not wrong. That is wonderful and good because they are going to God, and God often answers those prayers because he cares, and because people pray in faith. Even beyond that, we read in 3 John 1: "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. " Nevertheless, many scriptures which people use to justify physical healing in the Bible are really surface stories, which, once interpreted, are actually about spiritual healing.
The Bible is written in an interesting way. God calls it a 'parable' way. We read in Psalm 78: "Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. I will open my mouth in a parable... " We see here that the words of God's mouth, which is the Bible, are a parable. And God kindly tells us about parables in Mark 4. There we learn that a parable is a story that has a physical surface meaning, but that, once interpreted, is really talking about spiritual things. For example, the 'seed' mentioned there is not really a bunch of physical plant seeds but is instead 'the word of God'. Thorns mentioned there are not really physical briar thorns, but are 'such as hear the word, And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful. ' So, too, other physical stories in the Bible, are really be talking about spiritual things instead of the surface story. For example, when Joshua took the Israelites across to the other side of the Jordan river, it was really a picture, painted in an easy physical way for us to understand, about how Jesus takes the true believers across the judgment part of the gospel to the other side without harm, such that the judgment had no effect upon them.
Similarly, when we read stories of people being healed in the Bible, we are reading easy to understand physical surface stories, but these stories are really getting at the spiritual meaning. For example, a person was physically blind and calls out to Jesus to be able to see and his sight is restored. This is a wonderful story that happened in real life, but the message is a spiritual one. The message is that a person who is saved was spiritually blind but when they hear of Jesus they call out to him and they become spiritually saved, and then they can see spiritually.
We read, "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; " This is a verse that seems to say that a person was dead. However, it does not mean physically dead, just spiritually dead. Once a person is saved, they are spiritually alive (quickened). If we thought of this as a physical surface story, we would be talking about people who were physically dead. Why should we look at some healings in the Bible as only physical, and other healings as spiritual? We should look at other healings in the Bible as containing this same concept of really being about the spiritual, once the parable is interpreted. Physically lame persons being able to physically walk is a way of painting a picture of of how people who could not walk spiritually can now in Christ walk spiritually. Physical lepers who were physically outside of the physical city, are healed, but this is a way of showing how people being saved are spiritually healed and can now belong to the city of God.
Consider, Lazarus, who was raised from the dead. But what kind of dead? The surface story is about someone who was physically dead. But the picture that is painted about his raising back to life is a perfect picture of someone being spiritually saved. First of all, he was alive but he died. Just like mankind died spiritually due to sin. Secondly, he was stinking and rotting, completely powerless to save himself. Just like we cannot save ourselves, it takes an act of God. God takes the initiative and commands him to come to life. Just like someone who is saved comes to new life in Christ spiritually, in a relationship with God now. Jesus has resurrected Lazarus, but the surface story is really intended to provide a spiritual picture of someone being saved. It is given in a nice physical surface story way that can be easily understood. However, if you just think of it as a surface story about physical healing, you would miss what it is really talking about - being saved.
Think about Lazarus some more. He was brought back to life physically in the surface story but he is not walking around on earth physically today. He died physically. However, Jesus explained that spiritually anyone who is brought to new spiritual life never dies again but goes on to be with the Lord (after physical death). He said: "he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? " So, the story is about the spiritual.
Don't misunderstand. Many times believers pray for themselves or others to be physically healed. That is not wrong. That is wonderful and good because they are going to God, and God often answers those prayers because he cares, and because people pray in faith. Even beyond that, we read in 3 John 1: "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. " Nevertheless, many scriptures which people use to justify physical healing in the Bible are really surface stories, which, once interpreted, are actually about spiritual healing.
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Inaccurate answer, the reality shows, that Christians in all ages get sick, having deseases and die because of this. Even people which are becoming Christians while they are sick or heaving deseases are not automatically healed. Thats a fact.
Also those believers which are healed from the Lord through prayer can become sick again.
Also those believers which are healed from the Lord through prayer can become sick again.
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If physical healing is provided for all in the atonement, why do so many people who believe it still wear glasses? They should all go to a healer and get their eyes healed; unless they all simply don't have faith to be healed. If their faith is that weak why should anyone listen to them? This idea is full of holes and can easily be disproven in many ways.
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9x1 9x2 all the way to 9x10 which he wrote 91. All the class laughed so when they were done he said no one congratulated me when I got 9 right but when I got one wrong everyone noticed. Albert Einstein...saying you can be right 9 times out of 10 but they will only see your one mistake. This is not just the world is even believers are like this.
I would share more but.. as always... it goes south real fast and I don't want to add to confusion. Acts.. if Peter and John .. "why you look at us as if we did this by our own power." So out of the three who had faith in that name? Sorry but its not something we all are born with as in GREAT FIATH. You have to work it. .. all I can say.. allot of doubt so.. like fishing.. you have to be careful where you cast.. maybe just read His word.. and if HE said.. like john 3 16.. what if you just believe no matter what you see hear of feel..\
For the one. haha man its called AGE.. its part of the fall.. we all are hit with it.. even the greatest men woman of Faith..
I would share more but.. as always... it goes south real fast and I don't want to add to confusion. Acts.. if Peter and John .. "why you look at us as if we did this by our own power." So out of the three who had faith in that name? Sorry but its not something we all are born with as in GREAT FIATH. You have to work it. .. all I can say.. allot of doubt so.. like fishing.. you have to be careful where you cast.. maybe just read His word.. and if HE said.. like john 3 16.. what if you just believe no matter what you see hear of feel..\
For the one. haha man its called AGE.. its part of the fall.. we all are hit with it.. even the greatest men woman of Faith..
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Basic science.
If you prefer delusion to truth that is your perogative sadly it reflects poorly on the rest of us Christians who know the truth that healing is not part of the atonement ... let me see I can find the false teacher that started this nonsense.
Of course, here we go why am I not surprised....
CHARLES PARHAM’S Bethel Healing Home in Topeka, Kansas, in January 1901. Parham believed that healing is in the atonement.
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Unfortunately Parham died of disease, oh the irony.
But no worries we have another modern day grifter aka false teacher in Bill Johnson to carry on for $165.00 you too can receive the healing in the atonement.
Bethel Church is currently promoting its upcoming Healing School (May 10-13, 2022). “Activations, impartation, and miracles, miracles, miracles” don’t come cheap at Bethel. It beggars belief that Bethel has the audacity to charge $165 per individual for a slice of pie in the sky. Their “pie in the sky” is the false teaching that physical healing in this life is guaranteed in the atonement.
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Ok, your from canada. In germany we have apart from the rcc and the protastant church, so called free churches, because their members dont pay tax to the goverment as the rcc or protestant churchmembers do. F.e. Mennonites, Baptists ad other denominations are mainly teaching the word of God and that someone has to be born again to become a Christian.
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