Is Physical Healing Provided In The Atonement?

[shittim]

America elected a corrupt, incompetent senile old man to be commander-in-chief of the US Armed Forces.

The ccp installed senile buffoon?
From the folks that brought us the weaponized virus?

 

[shittim]

He can and does speak to us in all manners, John 16 mentioned guide, speak and show.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

But I find truth in a variety of unlikely places. I don't disregard because of its source.

So, should we disregard what some say "we Do Not see" according to their belief,
when we 'Do see it' in ( the unlikely? place of ) The Scriptures?

The scriptural support is contained in the fact that God is good. I also believe Romans 8:28 encompasses this thought.

No doubt, every one of us should agree with Romans 8:28:

"And we know that all things work together for good to them​

that love God, to them who are the called According to His Purpose."​

​

So, "healing IS for all" today, whether it is instantaneous or a 'slow' process, it is
[ God's Good ] for "all believers," whether new-born babes or fully mature. Correct?

Then, if that is 'Sound Doctrine' then maybe we should just Disregard and
Ignore All of The Following Scriptures, in this same Chapter, Correct?:

v 18: "For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not​

worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us."?​

​

vs 22_23: "For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth​

in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which​

have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves,​

waiting for the adoption, to wit, The Redemption of our body."​

vs 26-27: "Likewise The Spirit also Helpeth our infirmities: for we know ​

not what we should pray for as we ought: but The Spirit Himself Maketh​

Intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And He that​

searcheth the hearts Knoweth what is The Mind of The Spirit, because​

He Maketh Intercession for the saints According To The Will of God."​

So, not ignoring What God Says Here, we ask the 'healing believers': How is it
that they know ''that all infirmed / suffering believers" are supposed to "ask
for healing"?

And What of God's Answer to Paul, our Grace apostle, when "he did so"?:

"And He Said Unto me, My Grace Is Sufficient For thee:​

for My Strength Is Made Perfect in weakness. Most​

gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities,​

The Power Of Christ may rest upon me."​

(2 Corinthians 12:9 cp v 10; 2 Corinthians 11:23-30)​

​

Certainly then, "Paul's Much Learning doth make him mad" (critic Festus), since
the "healing" experts believe he is "Out Of The Will Of God" because he "Gladly
glories in his infirmities," Correct? Do they also disregard and ignore:

"The Power Of Christ" Clause?​

+
Let us also ignore These Plain Scriptures, For Grace, today?:

God's Grace Word For our infirmities!
-----------------------------
Conclusion: No, I should not ignore all These Important Grace Scriptures.

How about the 'healing' experts? And, btw, we are "glad" that they all are in
"such great physical health" (Praise God), but please do not be proud in
judging others as to their "lack of spiritual faith" because "they are not," ok?

Amen.

 

[Cameron143]

So, should we disregard what some say "we Do Not see" according to their belief,
when we 'Do see it' in ( the unlikely? place of ) The Scriptures?

No doubt, every one of us should agree with Romans 8:28:

"And we know that all things work together for good to them​

that love God, to them who are the called According to His Purpose."​

​

So, "healing IS for all" today, whether it is instantaneous or a 'slow' process, it is
[ God's Good ] for "all believers," whether new-born babes or fully mature. Correct?

Then, if that is 'Sound Doctrine' then maybe we should just Disregard and
Ignore All of The Following Scriptures, in this same Chapter, Correct?:

v 18: "For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not​

worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us."?​

​

vs 22_23: "For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth​

in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which​

have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves,​

waiting for the adoption, to wit, The Redemption of our body."​

vs 26-27: "Likewise The Spirit also Helpeth our infirmities: for we know ​

not what we should pray for as we ought: but The Spirit Himself Maketh​

Intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And He that​

searcheth the hearts Knoweth what is The Mind of The Spirit, because​

He Maketh Intercession for the saints According To The Will of God."​

So, not ignoring What God Says Here, we ask the 'healing believers': How is it
that they know ''that all infirmed / suffering believers" are supposed to "ask
for healing"?

And What of God's Answer to Paul, our Grace apostle, when "he did so"?:

"And He Said Unto me, My Grace Is Sufficient For thee:​

for My Strength Is Made Perfect in weakness. Most​

gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities,​

The Power Of Christ may rest upon me."​

(2 Corinthians 12:9 cp v 10; 2 Corinthians 11:23-30)​

​

Certainly then, "Paul's Much Learning doth make him mad" (critic Festus), since
the "healing" experts believe he is "Out Of The Will Of God" because he "Gladly
glories in his infirmities," Correct? Do they also disregard and ignore:

"The Power Of Christ" Clause?​

+
Let us also ignore These Plain Scriptures, For Grace, today?:

God's Grace Word For our infirmities!
-----------------------------
Conclusion: No, I should not ignore all These Important Grace Scriptures.

How about the 'healing' experts? And, btw, we are "glad" that they all are in
"such great physical health" (Praise God), but please do not be proud in
judging others as to their "lack of spiritual faith" because "they are not," ok?

Amen.

You have shared alot and I don't follow all of it. I posted earlier that healing can be instantaneous, come over time, and not come at all. The post you responded to was to a specific post addressed to me about a related aspect to healing.

 

[shittim]

I have heard it taught, He is more concerned with out eternity than our temporal life, we need to be 70% healed on the inside, spirit and soul, to begin to see it in our body.

 

[wolfwint]

I have heard it taught, He is more concerned with out eternity than our temporal life, we need to be 70% healed on the inside, spirit and soul, to begin to see it in our body.

Says who?

 

[ResidentAlien]

When certain people say "teachable," just replace that with "gullible" and that's what they really mean.

 

[shittim]

Say those who are much wiser.

 

[shittim]

When certain people say "teachable," just replace that with "gullible" and that's what they really mean.

says the dullard?

 

[wolfwint]

Say those who are much wiser.

So how many % you are healed on your inside, soul and sprit?

 

[wolfwint]

Say those who are much wiser.

Then it is easy to you to tell your source for this claim.

 

[Blade]

So, should we disregard what some say "we Do Not see" according to their belief,
when we 'Do see it' in ( the unlikely? place of ) The Scriptures?

No doubt, every one of us should agree with Romans 8:28:

"And we know that all things work together for good to them​

that love God, to them who are the called According to His Purpose."​

​

So, "healing IS for all" today, whether it is instantaneous or a 'slow' process, it is
[ God's Good ] for "all believers," whether new-born babes or fully mature. Correct?

Then, if that is 'Sound Doctrine' then maybe we should just Disregard and
Ignore All of The Following Scriptures, in this same Chapter, Correct?:

v 18: "For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not​

worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us."?​

​

vs 22_23: "For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth​

in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which​

have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves,​

waiting for the adoption, to wit, The Redemption of our body."​

vs 26-27: "Likewise The Spirit also Helpeth our infirmities: for we know ​

not what we should pray for as we ought: but The Spirit Himself Maketh​

Intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And He that​

searcheth the hearts Knoweth what is The Mind of The Spirit, because​

He Maketh Intercession for the saints According To The Will of God."​

So, not ignoring What God Says Here, we ask the 'healing believers': How is it
that they know ''that all infirmed / suffering believers" are supposed to "ask
for healing"?

And What of God's Answer to Paul, our Grace apostle, when "he did so"?:

"And He Said Unto me, My Grace Is Sufficient For thee:​

for My Strength Is Made Perfect in weakness. Most​

gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities,​

The Power Of Christ may rest upon me."​

(2 Corinthians 12:9 cp v 10; 2 Corinthians 11:23-30)​

​

Certainly then, "Paul's Much Learning doth make him mad" (critic Festus), since
the "healing" experts believe he is "Out Of The Will Of God" because he "Gladly
glories in his infirmities," Correct? Do they also disregard and ignore:

"The Power Of Christ" Clause?​

+
Let us also ignore These Plain Scriptures, For Grace, today?:

God's Grace Word For our infirmities!
-----------------------------
Conclusion: No, I should not ignore all These Important Grace Scriptures.

How about the 'healing' experts? And, btw, we are "glad" that they all are in
"such great physical health" (Praise God), but please do not be proud in
judging others as to their "lack of spiritual faith" because "they are not," ok?

Amen.

Hi. Not sure are you asking or telling? If telling then there is nothing to say for not even God will go against our will. There's a word we use "falling away" which was written in a bible as "departure". Some tend to only read it as "falling away". That is not wrong for that is what that Greek word can also mean. Some scripture's you posted here and thank you for that.. love Gods word some disagree on. One of the scripture's you used that word also means something else.

Take Paul "Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities," YES amen.. I have had more then one doctor take EKG's to tell me "it looks like you had a massive heart attack". Oh blood of Jesus I remember that day.. never in my life had that kind of pain in my chest. HAHA.. well I don't like pain but at one moment it lasted a while but what was so cool was it was like someone pushed the pain into my back...oh man my back hurt so bad.. then pushed back to my chest. What did I do? In this one and being sick which hits us all but I know His word I know His promises. I know no matter what I see hear or feel I don't care it is a min or a day or a week or a month.. I stand on His promises OT NT and I know what He said was not spoken 2-5 thousand years ago.. its alive and cannot return to Him void.

So what I also do is glory in my infirmities.. I praise Him in that moment no matter the pain.. I lift Him up I praise HIM! Every time He keeps His word. Faith comes in to play here.. our faith. You left out Peter and John saying we didn't do this by our own power it was that name faith in that name. So who had the faith in that name? Not the man that was healed he did expect to receive and did we notice GOD made sure to put that in His word? Peter and John had faith in that name.

Its so easy to just blame God. What I mean is.. not us.. no no its GOD.. He just wanted me to be sick or Hes trying to teach me something or I am just suffering for Christ. None is true at least in my life and those I am around. Like Peter and John after they were set free they went back to their own. So just who are you listening to hanging around?

Everything we do comes in to play here. Ever work your faith are you praying 24/7 about everything are you keeping His word before your eyes? Eyes.. what are you watching reading? Who are you hanging around with? Do you read what a GOD the only true GOD says and then you know that you know that you know He can not lie? Do you know this? Or do you look around you and that defines your faith.

Oh here take this.. this is not by chance. NO LIE the moment I just started talking about faith? Guess what song started "BY FIATH 7eventh Time down". HAHA .. "by faith I keep pressing in by faith no matter what I am walking through all things are possible with you"

its like drop the mic Father. Yes.. when I typed FAITH.. "by Faith" started to play. I am not like anyone else. I get hit by things of this world. I just learned.. what if.. what I I just believed no matter what I saw said heard. I have rejoiced praised Him in the mist of pain suffering.. I have cried so much yet still praising Him and every time no matter what it is.. its gone.. never ever stays. I found I don't have to keep it. I found if I believe ask for things not written I will never get them. I found if I find what He said is mine and believe not doubting knowing my Father no matter what I see or hear or feel just believe He always.. ASK HIM.. some of you really know Him. ask Him if I am lying about anything. He will tell you. I am no one..

All I say.. is from my heart not some Church or group. We can't skip over "if you doubt let not that man think he will get anything from God". God is FAITH... so do you want to please Him or not? Then believe not with your eyes or your feelings. FIND what He said not anything I say.. but what He said... Praise GOD... I have seen Him move with those suffering so much and yet had a very hard time believing yet.. He helps. CHRIST.... I believe but please help my unbelief. CHRIST...oh I know you can but do you want to? The answer to both is YES! But you and I are FREE. If you say He cannot does not.. He will not disagree with you. There is no faith at all in that. Did you know people can say.. I just last week heard the Christian radio say "ever time this year I get this or that sickness". That is FIATH! But man keep away from me. What God loves me more? I think 20years back again ask Him.. or more no flu no sickness. There was one time but.. it lasted like a day. Oh I got kidney stones and a hernia.

Now where's that faith for those stones? What faith? HAHA yeah.. I new I doubted at the start so.. HELLO DOCTORS. It was like for 2 months.. I found they should have changed something 1 month in but didn't. When they took the tube out which ooh that sweet nurse said it was the easist part.. no.. seems mine got stuck in side. She would never look at me after that.. bless her heart. The doc right after that asks "how much of this drug do you have left?" This part hurts..well it was like you go to the bathroom and its like just small glass comes out.. so much pain. But I told him " you never gave me anything". Then they gave me as much as I wanted yet na.. one time then never again. Some with hernia.. well that was you can leave it or not. I said not.

To look at both.. I did it not God. I ate things that didn't help and living in Colorado I never drank water. The hernia? Oh I remember all the times.. yeah I did it to my self.. you know trying to go and your so so stupid that you almost a few times almost black out trying to force it. Everything else? In the mist of it.. say fear.. so scared.. NO God has not given me the spirit of fear but of power love and a sound mind. At some point FAITH COMES! Now.. it leaves every time.

Your choice.. believe those that doubt what you see hear and feel or from your heart toss out everything you believe.. read what He said and ask HIM about it. If I go in knowing He wont heal then ask what did you mean by your stirps I am healed? He wont say a word.. I already doubt knowing He won't. But going in truly asking from my heart..

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Hi. Not sure are you asking or telling? If telling then there is nothing to say for not even God will go against our will.

Precious friend, was just asking all so-called "faith healers" why would I
ignore God's 'infirmities' Scriptures for The "Power Of Christ" on me and
others, who are getting older & older, just about ready to "depart and
go on To God's Wonderful GloryLand!" ♫ 😇 ↑

In the meantime:

Thanks Be Unto God For His Blessed Holy Spirit, Who, In Romans 8:26:

1) "...Helpeth our infirmities...," and:

2) "...Intercedes For us, According To The Will Of God..."

And, plenty of other applicable Scriptures we should 'not ignore' , Correct?:

GRACE Word For our infirmities!

See you there? Amen?

 

[JohnDB]

We say "saved" as if our salvation has already happened....but it truly happens when we die and are granted access into heaven. Sure, we believe God but the reality has not happened yet.

Just saying.
Just because you believe doesn't change things now except for your attitude.

 

[Cameron143]

We say "saved" as if our salvation has already happened....but it truly happens when we die and are granted access into heaven. Sure, we believe God but the reality has not happened yet.

Just saying.
Just because you believe doesn't change things now except for your attitude.

We have passed from death to life, we can know God intimately, we can enter the throne room of God, we have the mind of Christ, the same power at work in us is that which resurrected Jesus from the dead.

It's a tad different.

 

[shittim]

#114 and #115 show the contrast between holding an outward form of Godliness compared to the vital, one on one, relationship He desires and requires for each of us.
blessings-

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

We say "saved" as if our salvation has already happened....but it truly happens when we die and are granted access into heaven. Sure, we believe God but the reality has not happened yet.

Just saying.
Just because you believe doesn't change things now except for your attitude.

it depends on what we are saved from.

when we say we are saved, it means we are saved from condemnation.

that has already happened. it will be just as real 1000 years from now as it is today.

as for realising the result of that salvation (heaven) that is yet to come, but has no bearing on us being saved today

 

[shittim]

Salvation, as priceless as it is and at what it cost Jesus, is only the beginning of our required walk with Him in relationship.
He modeled how the Father wants all us children to relate to Him to the point we will be conformed to His image.
Blessings

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

when Jesus went to His home town of Nazareth, He, was unable to Heal because of the LACK of belief.

THIS IS GOD, not ABLE to HEAL, because of LACK of Belief!


i totally have Faith that God can heal anyone of anything.
but my Faith that God can and will do this depends upon the person's own Faith.

so, with EXCEPTION to those we know are Scam Artist, i don't even have a single concern if someone prays for someone and they're not healed. I believe the person being prayed for DID NOT believe.

if GOD, Himself in Person, was stopped from Healing the SICK over lack of Faith, WHO are WE, when we pray for someone who has no Faith and nothing happens?

 

[shittim]

Seems the other side of this question might be, "obedient" ?