Is Physical Healing Provided In The Atonement?

TheLearner · Aug 4, 2023

2 Kings 5:1 Now Naaman, captain of the army of the king of Aram, was a great man with his master, and highly respected, because by him the LORD had given victory to Aram. The man was also a valiant warrior, but he was a leper.
2 Kings 13:5 The LORD gave Israel a deliverer, so that they escaped from under the hand of the Arameans; and the sons of Israel lived in their tents as formerly.
17 He said, "Open the window toward the east," and he opened it. Then Elisha said, "Shoot!" And he shot. And he said, "The LORD'S arrow of victory, even the arrow of victory over Aram; for you will defeat the Arameans at Aphek until you have destroyed them."
1 Chronicles 11:14 They took their stand in the midst of the plot and defended it, and struck down the Philistines; and the LORD saved them by a great victory.
1 Chronicles 16:23 Sing to the LORD, all the earth; Proclaim good tidings of His salvation from day to day.
35 Then say, "Save us, O God of our salvation, And gather us and deliver us from the nations, To give thanks to Your holy name, And glory in Your praise."
1 Chronicles 19:12 He said, "If the Arameans are too strong for me, then you shall help me; but if the sons of Ammon are too strong for you, then I will help you.
2 Chronicles 6:41 "Now therefore arise, O LORD God, to Your resting place, You and the ark of Your might; let Your priests, O LORD God, be clothed with salvation and let Your godly ones rejoice in what is good.
2 Chronicles 12:7 When the LORD saw that they humbled themselves, the word of the LORD came to Shemaiah, saying, "They have humbled themselves so I will not destroy them, but I will grant them some measure of deliverance, and My wrath shall not be poured out on Jerusalem by means of Shishak.
2 Chronicles 20:17 'You need not fight in this battle; station yourselves, stand and see the salvation of the LORD on your behalf, O Judah and Jerusalem.' Do not fear or be dismayed; tomorrow go out to face them, for the LORD is with you."
Ezra 9:8 "But now for a brief moment grace has been shown from the LORD our God, to leave us an escaped remnant and to give us a peg in His holy place, that our God may enlighten our eyes and grant us a little reviving in our bondage.
13 "After all that has come upon us for our evil deeds and our great guilt, since You our God have requited us less than our iniquities deserve, and have given us an escaped remnant as this,

TheLearner · Aug 4, 2023

Esther 4:11 "All the king's servants and the people of the king's provinces know that for any man or woman who comes to the king to the inner court who is not summoned, he has but one law, that he be put to death, unless the king holds out to him the golden scepter so that he may live. And I have not been summoned to come to the king for these thirty days."
17 So Mordecai went away and did just as Esther had commanded him.
Esther 8:12 on one day in all the provinces of King Ahasuerus, the thirteenth day of the twelfth month (that is, the month Adar).
Job 2:9 Then his wife said to him, "Do you still hold fast your integrity? Curse God and die!"
Job 5:4 "His sons are far from safety, They are even oppressed in the gate, And there is no deliverer.
Job 11:20 "But the eyes of the wicked will fail, And there will be no escape for them; And their hope is to breathe their last."
Job 13:16 "This also will be my salvation, For a godless man may not come before His presence.
Job 20:20 "Because he knew no quiet within him, He does not retain anything he desires.
Job 30:15 "Terrors are turned against me; They pursue my honor as the wind, And my prosperity has passed away like a cloud.
22 "You lift me up to the wind and cause me to ride; And You dissolve me in a storm.

TheLearner · Aug 4, 2023

Psalm 3:2 Many are saying of my soul, "There is no deliverance for him in God." Selah.
8 Salvation belongs to the LORD; Your blessing be upon Your people! Selah.
Psalm 12:5 "Because of the devastation of the afflicted, because of the groaning of the needy, Now I will arise," says the LORD; "I will set him in the safety for which he longs."
Psalm 18:2 The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge; My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
35 You have also given me the shield of Your salvation, And Your right hand upholds me; And Your gentleness makes me great.
46 The LORD lives, and blessed be my rock; And exalted be the God of my salvation,
50 He gives great deliverance to His king, And shows lovingkindness to His anointed, To David and his descendants forever.
Psalm 20:6 Now I know that the LORD saves His anointed; He will answer him from His holy heaven With the saving strength of His right hand.
Psalm 22:1 For the choir director; upon Aijeleth Hashshahar. A Psalm of David. My God, my God, why have You forsaken me? Far from my deliverance are the words of my groaning.
Psalm 33:17 A horse is a false hope for victory; Nor does it deliver anyone by its great strength.
Psalm 35:3 Draw also the spear and the battle-axe to meet those who pursue me; Say to my soul, "I am your salvation."
Psalm 37:39 But the salvation of the righteous is from the LORD; He is their strength in time of trouble.
Psalm 38:22 Make haste to help me, O Lord, my salvation!
Psalm 42:11 Why are you in despair, O my soul? And why have you become disturbed within me? Hope in God, for I shall yet praise Him, The help of my countenance and my God.
Psalm 44:4 You are my King, O God; Command victories for Jacob.
Psalm 51:14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, the God of my salvation; Then my tongue will joyfully sing of Your righteousness.
Psalm 60:11 O give us help against the adversary, For deliverance by man is in vain.
Psalm 69:13 But as for me, my prayer is to You, O LORD, at an acceptable time; O God, in the greatness of Your lovingkindness, Answer me with Your saving truth.
29 But I am afflicted and in pain; May Your salvation, O God, set me securely on high.
Psalm 71:15 My mouth shall tell of Your righteousness And of Your salvation all day long; For I do not know the sum of them.
Psalm 74:12 Yet God is my king from of old, Who works deeds of deliverance in the midst of the earth.
Psalm 88:1 A Song. A Psalm of the sons of Korah. For the choir director; according to Mahalath Leannoth. A Maskil of Heman the Ezrahite. O LORD, the God of my salvation, I have cried out by day and in the night before You.
Psalm 89:26 "He will cry to Me, 'You are my Father, My God, and the rock of my salvation.'
Psalm 108:12 Oh give us help against the adversary, For deliverance by man is in vain.

TheLearner · Aug 4, 2023

studentoftheword said:

Please note your website is posioned by the kabbalists.
https://www.thejc.com/judaism/jewish-words/davar-1.5953

RTL Words: DAVAR (דבר)
Thursday, March 9, 2023
Bible & Archaeology (University of Iowa)
The Hebrew noun דבר (dāvār, with the Hebrew letter "bet" pronounced like a "v") is the word for "word" or "speech." Preceding the construction of the Tower of Babel, Genesis uses דבר (dāvār) to describe the unified "words" of the earth's population as seen in Genesis 11:1, "Now the whole earth had one language and the same words (דבר׳ם)."
דבר (dāvār) can also be used in a less definite manner to refer to "things" as occurs in Jeremiah 32:27, "See, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh; is anything (דבר) too hard for me?" The variable nature of דבר (dāvār) can sometimes mean multiple uses will appear in quick succession drawing upon different meanings, relying on the reader to distinguish its purpose and associated meaning as seen in Genesis 15:1 which states, "After these things (הדבר׳ם) the word (דבר) of the LORD came to Abram in a vision."
The noun דבר (dāvār) has a related verb, also taking the form דבר (dāvar), which is used to convey the act of speaking. Exodus 9:1 uses the verbal form of דבר (dāvar) to convey future "speech" when it states, "Go to Pharaoh, and say (ודברת) to him."
https://bam.sites.uiowa.edu/RTL/davar#:~:text=The Hebrew noun דבר (dāvār,had one language and the

TheLearner · Aug 4, 2023

TheLearner · Aug 4, 2023

seekingthemindofChrist said:

No sound on computer

seekingthemindofChrist · Aug 4, 2023

TheLearner said:

Here is a link to a pdf file of the entire book. If you scroll down to page 23, then you will see the chapter that was read in the video.

https://www.hopefaithprayer.com/books/Christ_the_Healer_FFBosworth.pdf

TheLearner · Aug 4, 2023

ResidentAlien said:

https://sentinel.christianscience.com/shared/view/opq1apdqp0

Bosworth was read by many C.S. people to support their theology.

"Thus, much of the theology of the Word of Faith movement can also be found in such clearly pseudo-Christian cults as Religious Science, Christian Science, and the Unitarian School of Christianity. More than a century before the Word of ... "
Answers to Your Biblical Questions - Page 16
Jean Billy Beaufils · 2022

TheLearner · Aug 4, 2023

Recently, while discussing with some friends on Facebook about the Word-Faith movement, I realised that the varying doctrines and nuanced terminologies found within the WOF can sway even sincere Christians to innocently embrace their heretical teachings and techniques.

Unravelling this aberrational hoodwink requires an exploration of the origin of such false teachings. Once their roots are exposed, you can easily discern when a teaching or practice has crossed the lines of Christian orthodoxy and is skating on the thin ice of curious cults.

First, let’s remind ourselves of what the Bible says about God and faith, because these are key areas through which WOF peddlers smuggle their load of errors through the back door.
https://victorspen.wordpress.com/2018/06/22/word-faith-teachings-and-mind-science-cults/

TheLearner · Aug 4, 2023

https://www.equip.org/articles/whats-wrong-with-the-word-faith-movement-part-one/
Related religious movements include Christian Science, Unity School of Christianity, and Scientology…and the Word of Faith movement.
https://godwords.org/church-of-religious-science-changes-name/
https://truediscipleship.com/word-of-faith/
https://eyobberhane56.wordpress.com...-christian-church-the-word-of-faith-movement/
https://www.insidepbf.com/docs/sermons/PBF_20091025PM_Cults_pt5.pdf

TheLearner · Aug 4, 2023

start at 59

2 Peter 1

Easy-to-Read Version

1 Greetings from Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ.
To all of you who share in the same valuable faith that we have. This faith was given to us because our God and Savior Jesus Christ always does what is good and right.
2 Grace and peace be given to you more and more, because now you know God and Jesus our Lord.
God Has Given Us Everything We Need
3 Jesus has the power of God. And his power has given us everything we need to live a life devoted to God. We have these things because we know him. Jesus chose us by his glory and goodness, 4 through which he also gave us the very great and rich gifts that he promised us. With these gifts you can share in being like God. And so you will escape the ruin that comes to people in the world because of the evil things they want.
5 Because you have these blessings, do all you can to add to your life these things: to your faith add goodness; to your goodness add knowledge; 6 to your knowledge add self-control; to your self-control add patience; to your patience add devotion to God; 7 to your devotion add kindness toward your brothers and sisters in Christ, and to this kindness add love. 8 If all these things are in you and growing, you will never fail to be useful to God. You will produce the kind of fruit that should come from your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But those who don’t grow in these blessings are blind. They cannot see clearly what they have. They have forgotten that they were cleansed from their past sins.
10 My brothers and sisters, God called you and chose you to be his. Do your best to live in a way that shows you really are God’s called and chosen people. If you do all this, you will never fall. 11 And you will be given a very great welcome into the kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, a kingdom that never ends.
12 You already know these things. You are very strong in the truth you have. But I am always going to help you remember them. 13 While I am still living here on earth, I think it is right for me to remind you of them. 14 I know that I must soon leave this body. Our Lord Jesus Christ has shown me that. 15 I will try my best to make sure you remember these things even after I am gone.

TheLearner · Aug 4, 2023

studentoftheword said:

Another thing I did was to get healing scriptures and posted them by my treadmill and every day while working out I repeated the scriptures out loud declaring my Faith in God's word to do as it says ----

--speaking out God's will for us is a plus ----what is in your heart the mouth will speak -----your heart and mouth are connected ------if in your heart you don't believe in healing ----then that is what you will speak out -----unbelief -----

I found this and it is worth the read ------for those who do believe in physical healing -----this person says it well -----

https://www.jessicahottle.com/10-healing-scriptures/

When you pray ask both the Holy Spirit and Jesus to pray with you Romans 8 to make sure prayers are in fact in line with the Fathers will.

Gideon300 · Aug 4, 2023

GRACE_ambassador said:

"Every true Christian believes that spiritual healing, salvation of the soul from
sin, is to be found only in the death of Christ, but there is disagreement as to
whether His death is supposed to provide physical health also for the believer.
Some teach that Christ bore our sicknesses upon the Cross as well as our sins,
and that it is therefore as much the will of God that we be healed of sickness
as to be saved from sin.

Since salvation is received through faith, healing must come in the same
manner, and if one is not healed it proves he doesn’t have faith. If the
premise of this argument is true, i. e. that Christ died for our sickness and
that God is not willing that any should be sick, then the above conclusion
logically follows; but we ask: Is the premise true?

This teaching is based upon Matthew 8:17: “Himself took our infirmities, and
bare our sicknesses,” a quotation from Isaiah 53:4. But the all important thing
to see is that Jesus fulfilled this scripture three years before His death. He was
bearing their sicknesses all during His earthly ministry, but He never bore any
one’s sins until He died upon the tree. Since the Bible declares that He fulfilled
the work of bearing sicknesses before Has death, any teaching is proved false
which claims He fulfilled that work in His death.

The second important fact is found in the word “bare”. Peter tells us that Christ
“bare our sins in his own body on the tree.” This word is “anaphero” in the Greek,
and means to bring to the altar or to offer a sacrifice. It is used in Hebrews 9:28:

“Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many”;

and most significantly the translators of the Septuagint chose this word in
Isaiah 53:12: “and he bare the sins of many.” But there is an entirely different
word used regarding the bearing of sickness in Matthew 8:17. It is “bastazo”
and means to lift or to carry or to endure. It is never used of bearing sins.
This is the same word John the Baptist used in Matthew 3:11: “whose shoes
I am not worthy to bear.”

Paul used it in Galatians 6:2: “bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the
law of Christ.” Paul asked Christians to do in Romans 15:1 exactly what Christ
did: “bear the infirmities (or sicknesses) of the weak,” but he never told any
Christian to bear the sins of another. And again, most significantly the
Septuagint uses this same word in Isaiah 53:4: “surely he hath borne our
griefs, and carried our sorrows.” Thus Christ bore sicknesses in an altogether
different sense from which He bore sins.

The third fact is based upon logic. If healing is in the atonement to the same
extent as salvation, then one possesses salvation to the extent he enjoys
physical health. But since all Christians in the past have died, and mostly
from disease, this would prove that all had lost salvation; for all surely
lost health.

Fourthly, Paul, the model Christian, gloried in his infirmities (II Corinthians 11:30;
II Corinthians 12:9 and 10—this word means sickness, the same word as used in
Matthew 8:17). If sickness is contrary to the will of God, then Paul gloried in being
out of the will of God, and it was the Grace of God which taught him to do it.

Fifthly, this teaching denies such Scriptures as Romans 8:23: “but ourselves also,
which have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves,
waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.” Yes, praise God, our
salvation includes a body as perfect as Christ’s own glorious body, but none will
receive it until the resurrection for which we wait.

Lastly, let it be noticed that God promised health to Israel along with other
temporal blessings. He revealed Himself as Jehovah-Ropheca, the Lord that
healeth thee (Exodus 15:26). See also Deuteronomy 28:1 to 14. But not one
of these promises can be found directed to the Body of Christ, but often just
the opposite. God not only promised to heal but to make rich (Deuteronomy
28:11 and 12). Therefore if you are not rich it is just as much a sign of
unfaithfulness as if you are sick.

Surely we believe that God hears and answers prayer for the sick, but Plain
Scripture forbids us to believe that healing is in the atonement or that
sickness brands one as unfaithful or disobedient." (CF Baker)

Amen.

Just wrong. Forgiveness and healing go hand in hand. Sometimes forgiveness is blocked, for example, if we hold unforgiveness in our hearts. it does not mean that we are going to hell, it does mean that fellowship with God is hindered. When Jesus was condemned for forgiving sin (which He did as well as healing the sick), He said, "Cop this, Pharisees! I'll heal this man as well!" O.K., that's my paraphrase. Surely this is a reference to Psalm 103. Jesus healed the Gentile as well as the Jew.

The New Testament quotes Isaiah 53 (1 Peter 2:24), both the healing and forgiveness aspects.

The root of sickness is sin. Anyone who thinks that they no longer sin is deluded. God uses sickness in the believer's life just as He did in Israel's experience. We need to remember that all sickness comes from Satan. If we let our guard down, we may suffer. I've discovered this in my own experience.

God is not a computer program that must respond according to the input. When I was a very young Christian, I struggled constantly with illness and I never had enough money. God's will is that we prosper, but not so much that we stop depending on Him. "Rich" is subjective. Compared to Bill Gates, I have little. Compared to billions of other people, I am rich. I have no complaints, my needs are met and I am content. That is true riches.

wolfwint · Aug 5, 2023

Blade said:

Its written Acts "This man was listening to Paul as he spoke, and Paul looked intently at him and saw that he had faith to be healed,"

Acts 3 I think "And His name, through faith in His name, has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all."

James "But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord;"

Were talking about faith something that is greatly lacking. Take Enoch he pleased God.. faith. By faith Enoch was translated. I have and other ministers have seen is when some try to stand in faith the enemy comes "And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts. ".

I made a mistake something I don't do that is I think its here talking about healing and I boasted a bit. See I never say "I have never been sick since blah blah blah". But I did say something.. so guess what happened the very next day? I don't know if it was the flu or corvid (Never took the shot). I can not as God as my witness and Father not to boast ..forgive me the last time I had the flu. I have never taken the flu shot. So what happen the very next day was 102-102 temp for 2 days that's gone still feel blah...but when this body shows 102 temp? OH man its time to PRAISE HIM OVER AND OVER.. worship Him knowing just from the OT He takes away al my sickness. See as Isaac was I am a Child or promise. I am grafted into that vine.. I am to God like any other Jewish believer. Well look at a tree.... say allot of branches were grafted it.. you couldn't tell.. all you know is its ONE BODY! He is the vine. Incase you don't believe those promises are yours. FAITH works both ways. You keep saying this or that does not happen blah blah blah Gods not going against your will. Find what GOD said.. not even ANYTHING I said here..do NOT believe me. You seek you pray.. what would happen if YOU no matter what you see or hear or feel just stood on His word? OOH but is there ANYTHING between you and the Father? Yeah.. that will hinder this. Repent do a 180.. forgive your self. HE IS A GREAT AWESOME GOD.. I humble myself and Father I am sorry boasted.. thank you.

Then the 3rd day something else that has not happen in years is my chest...oh blood of Jesus haha that hurt... but I am not moved by what I see hear or feel. This is NOT something I just started believing yesterday. I been doing this since I was 12+ ANYONE can pray and ask Him if I am lying about anything. HAHA guess what song is playing.. you will LOVE THIS. THOUSANDS of songs.. yet this is whats playing

"Praise The lord" "so when the devil come trying to get me gonna praise the lord". That is written. Its through out the NT.

Side note. I heard this preacher talk about when the vail was torn and now we can go in? I like what he said "no.. GOD CAME OUT! There was more to that but.. no more vail

Blade, i believe that our father loves every of his children. As his children we have already shown faith, otherwise we would not belong to Him.
Also I believe that our father has an individual plan for his children.
Sickness and deseases are into the World since God cast out Adam and Eva from garden Eden.
As God's children we have no guarantee that our body will not be affectet with deseases or sickness. If we pray to our father for healing, I expect that he gives his answer for my prayer. But it is His decision. And for to stay sick means not for me that he loves me less then someone who got healed.
To say generaly its because of your lack on faith thats you are still in your desease is in my eyes a statement without love and compassion and it wakes in the sick person the thought that it is only and alone his own fault that he is still sick.
I dont believe that our father is acting like that.

wolfwint · Aug 5, 2023

Gideon300 said:

Well, sickness and death in the world is in first line the consequence of the sin from Adam and Eva. ( Gen 3.)
That today some becomes a cancer, diabetis, rheumatism, AlS, demencia, and all the kind of deseases we face is not always because of a personal sin. There are many non believers in a high age. They are healthy and never had a several sickness. Because of what? Faith, forgiveness of sin?
You are right in your post. But it Covers not all aspects.
I agree fully with your last sentence

studentoftheword · Aug 5, 2023

Dabar
daw-bar'
Verb
NAS Word Usage - Total: 1136

to speak, declare, converse, command, promise, warn, threaten, sing
1. (Qal) to speak
2. (Niphal) to speak with one another, talk
3. (Piel)
  1. to speak
  2. to promise
4. (Pual) to be spoken
5. (Hithpael) to speak
6. (Hiphil) to lead away, put to flight

Dabar
daw-baw'
Noun Masculine
NAS Word Usage - Total: 1407

speech, word, speaking, thing
1. speech
2. saying, utterance
3. word, words
4. business, occupation, acts, matter, case, something, manner (by extension)

So What does matter mean

Strong's Concordance

pragma: a deed, a matter

Definition: a deed, a matter
Usage: a thing done, a deed, action
that which is or exists, a thing:
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In the New Testament Rhema Word is equivalent to Dabar ----

Rhema (ῥῆμα in Greek) literally means an "utterance" or "thing said" in Greek. It is a word that signifies the action of utterance.

So when your trying to get healing and your uttering sickness ---is that wise to do -------NO not in my view -----

I don't Follow this man as he is more into Buddhism or Hinduism I don't know which ------but what he is saying here made very good sense to me --about the mind affecting our physical and mental well being -

-------what I don't agree with is his saying we can heal ourselves without having Faith in Jesus who is our Healer -----We have to master the mind and getting the negative out and keeping it out and so I started practicing that -----and Satan will work hard to keep your mind in the negative ------Oh you have a cold --your sick --healing is not going to happen ------

Another thing he said in another video I watched was that you never should connect yourself to your illness ------Like OH I am a diabetic ----or I have cancer -or I am a cancer survivor ----which made sense to me ------so I stopped doing that as well -----

The Mind-Body Connection: Is Your Brain Making You Sick? | Eckhart Tolle Explains

Eckhart explores the relationship between awareness, acceptance, and health. He explains how our state of mind can greatly affect our physical and mental well-being and how the practice of being present in the moment, through awareness and acceptance, can lead to improved health. Eckhart shares how our thoughts and emotions can create stress and contribute to illness, and how embracing the present moment through mindfulness can help alleviate these negative effects.

I say --------The Parable of the Sowers needs to be paid attention to in my view when your trying to get healing today for most of us -----That is How God's Kingdom works --for us to get a full harvest of what we are sowing -----------if God wants you healed immediately He can do so by and through the power of the Holy Spirit ---but that is not the case for most people today -----

The elders of the church in the Bible were Holy Spirit filled People who were given the power to heal when people were sent to them by and through the Hoiy Spirit ----that was to show God's Glory and to edify the church ------make unbelievers believe ----that is what I believe ----

The Nine Gifts of the
Holy Spirit"

The following Spiritual Gifts are often referred to as, "The Nine Gifts of the Holy Spirit." These are supernatural gifts and, according to scripture, are available to all Christians.
The Apostle Paul said:

"Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant.

...for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit,
to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit,
to another faith by the same Spirit,
to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit,
to another the working of miracles,
to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits,
to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.

PLEASE NOTE : ----But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills."
(1 Cor 12:1; 8-11)

I say ---------So just because we deem ourselves Christians ---we all do not possess the Gift of Healing immediately for ourselves or others ---The Holy Spirit decides who gets this gift ---NOT US -----but healing is there for us ----

The Nine Gifts of the Spirit Fall into three Divisions:

The Gifts of Revelation
The Gifts of Inspiration
The Gifts of Power.

Gifts of Power:
7-Gift of Faith:
This is a supernatural ability to believe God without human doubt, unbelief, and reasonings.

8-The Gift of Healing:
The healing of all manner of sickness by supernatural power, without human aid or medicine.

9-The Working of Miracles:
Is supernatural power to intervene in the ordinary course of nature and to counteract natural laws if necessary.

So you people can argue amongst yourselves all you want to -------but that won't get you healed -----

I got the Healing ----by following the process of the parable of the Sower and getting nuggets from other sources like Tolle and others and putting them into practice ------

So you can believe that or not -----I don't really care -----I haven't had any sickness ---disease ---Colds--Flu ----headaches ---nausea ---etc ---etc ---etc ---etc ---etc ---etc ---and haven't went to a doctor in the last 15 years -----so you can all think what you like ----it matters not to me ------

Healing is there for all Born Again Christians -----if anyone doesn't want it they are Fools as far as I am concerned -----

----------Period

studentoftheword · Aug 5, 2023

Healing will come if you stay the course -----it is a process

Matthew 13:18-23 (NIV):

18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means:

19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path.

I say -----how many understand fully the Kingdom and is free from Satan who snatches away the seed sown in their heart ---no one this takes work to master -----

20 The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy.
21 But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away.

I say --you have to stay the course --------develop a Faith that is deep rooted -----so nothing knocks your faith in your healing off the path -----

22 The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful.

I say --------you have to overcome this

23 But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”

I say -----------If you think you can master having Good soils right away then your decieved -------

This all takes time and practice and work on our part ------

Faith that is Rooted and Grounded in Christ is needed

Cameron143 · Aug 5, 2023

studentoftheword said:

Healing will come if you stay the course -----it is a process

Matthew 13:18-23 (NIV):

18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means:

19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path.

I say -----how many understand fully the Kingdom and is free from Satan who snatches away the seed sown in their heart ---no one this takes work to master -----

20 The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy.
21 But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away.

I say --you have to stay the course --------develop a Faith that is deep rooted -----so nothing knocks your faith in your healing off the path -----

22 The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful.

I say --------you have to overcome this

23 But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”

I say -----------If you think you can master having Good soils right away then your decieved -------

This all takes time and practice and work on our part ------

Faith that is Rooted and Grounded in Christ is needed

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Without regard to the meaning of the parable but with the manner of application, how do you reconcile the method you have proposed with John 15 and abiding in Christ? In other words, how is operating by performing certain acts to get a result from God any different from the Pharisees, independent of God, attempting to fulfill the law to acquire its promises?

Mem · Aug 5, 2023

The ultimate healing, imo, is the disarmament or the fear of death, which is the root of all other fears. If you feel heart palpitations with the sense that it might be sputtering out and experience it the same as being on the verge of falling into a deep sweet sleep in the bosom of God, then you have certainly been healed and made whole.

studentoftheword · Aug 5, 2023

Cameron143 said:

I don't have to reconcile anything to you ---I have the Healing -----I have laid out what I did ---you can try any method you like if you want healing --and see if it works -----

What I did worked so I don't need to reconcile anything -----you guys are the ones trying to reconcile scripture with all kinds of your thoughts and God has laid out How His Kingdom works and what needs to be adhered to for getting a harvest ---

I think you don't understand what the word work means in the Scripture -----scripture says work out your own Salvation -----how do you perceive that word work

Strong's Concordance
ergon: work
Original Word: ἔργον, ου, τό

Usage: work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.
HELPS Word-studies
2041 érgon (from ergō, "to work, accomplish") – a work or worker who accomplishes something. 2041 /érgon ("work") is a deed (action) that carries out (completes) an inner desire (intension, purpose)

Faith requires action ------Faith requires a positive response -----God gives you the instructions you have to obey by acting out that faith ---and carry it to completeness --------

Healing is available ------

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