Is Roman Catholicism Evil?

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Is Roman Catholicism Evil?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 45.7%
  • No

    Votes: 41 31.8%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 6 4.7%
  • I Don't Know

    Votes: 3 2.3%
  • Mel Gibson

    Votes: 5 3.9%
  • Penguins Are Eating My Eyes!!?

    Votes: 15 11.6%

  • Total voters
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notuptome

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I'm not Catholic, and I don't advocate the Catholic Church. But I don't think it's my place to judge them either.

I have known a lot of Catholics over the years who are good people, and believe in God.
Good people perish in eternity if they do not have Christ as their Savior. Good people are the hardest people to convince they need to be saved in the first place.

Exactly the problem with the Pharisees, Sadducees lawyers and scribes.

Not judging according to my reasoning but comparing actions and conduct against the scripture.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Nehemiah6

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I'm not Catholic, and I don't advocate the Catholic Church. But I don't think it's my place to judge them either. I have known a lot of Catholics over the years who are good people, and believe in God.
Believing in God and being regenerated are not exactly the same thing. Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, unsaved Jews, etc. all believe in God. Indeed there are hardly any atheists on this planet.

The issue is never Roman Catholics (millions of presumably moral upstanding citizens who believe in God). The issue is the FALSE DOCTRINE of the Vatican, the pope, the cardinals, the bishops, and the priests. And just as we expose the false doctrine of Mormons, JWs, Christadelphians, etc. we must expose and condemn the false teachings of Rome. So do you know what their false teachings are and how they jeopardize the eternal well-being of the people who are held captive by those teachings?

Paul says that if anyone (EVEN AN ANGEL) brings any other gospel than that which he has preached, let him be accursed. Do you know the false Gospel of the RCC? For the Judaizers, circumcision was necessary for salvation. For Rome, baptismal regeneration is necessary for salvation. But is that what the Bible says? If this were true, Paul would not have said that Christ sent him to preach the Gospel, not to baptize. That does not mean that baptism is not a commandment of Christ. what it means is that if water baptism was necessary for salvation, Paul would have said that Christ sent him to preach AS WELL AS to baptize.

King James Bible (1 Cor 1:17)
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

So then does not the Church of Rome make the cross of Christ of none effect? and if so, how serious is the matter?
 
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Believing in God and being regenerated are not exactly the same thing. Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, unsaved Jews, etc. all believe in God. Indeed there are hardly any atheists on this planet.

The issue is never Roman Catholics (millions of presumably moral upstanding citizens who believe in God). The issue is the FALSE DOCTRINE of the Vatican, the pope, the cardinals, the bishops, and the priests. And just as we expose the false doctrine of Mormons, JWs, Christadelphians, etc. we must expose and condemn the false teachings of Rome. So do you know what their false teachings are and how they jeopardize the eternal well-being of the people who are held captive by those teachings?

Paul says that if anyone (EVEN AN ANGEL) brings any other gospel than that which he has preached, let him be accursed. Do you know the false Gospel of the RCC? For the Judaizers, circumcision was necessary for salvation. For Rome, baptismal regeneration is necessary for salvation. But is that what the Bible says? If this were true, Paul would not have said that Christ sent him to preach the Gospel, not to baptize. That does not mean that baptism is not a commandment of Christ. what it means is that if water baptism was necessary for salvation, Paul would have said that Christ sent him to preach AS WELL AS to baptize.

King James Bible (1 Cor 1:17)
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

So then does not the Church of Rome make the cross of Christ of none effect? and if so, how serious is the matter?
And yet, Acts 10:37-38 (KJV) tells us:[SUP]37 [/SUP]That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
[SUP]38 [/SUP]How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Meanwhile, Matthew 3:16-17 (KJV) says:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

And Luke 3:21-22 (KJV) points out:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

So it would appear that both baptism and His death on the cross were of great significance to Jesus, as well as to both Matthew and Luke in their Gospels.

It would seem interesting that Paul would attach such a low level of significance to baptism when he wrote "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the Gospel," even though the Gospels of Matthew and Luke featured baptism prominently, and Matthew devoted the entirety of Chapter 3 to John the Baptist (who was related to Jesus through their mothers. In Luke 1:36, Elizabeth is described as Mary’s “kinswoman,” meaning that they were related in some way through marriage or blood.)

And so too, the Catholic Church emphasizes both the significance of baptism and overwhelming importance of the crucifixion and resurrection. In fact, two prayers -- the Apostle's Creed and the Nicene Creed (which can be found at < Catechism of the Catholic Church - Credo Chart >) -- are listed in the Catechism of the Catholic Church under Part One of "The Profession of Faith", and both feature the crucifixion and resurrection as the middle third of the prayer.

The Nicene Creed states:

"We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, o
ne in Being with the Father. Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation, he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered died and was buried.
On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

I wonder if you could explain to me, please, how you define this as "false doctrine"?
And how the Catholic Church makes "the cross of Christ of none effect"?
 
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hmm, were in scripture does it say to call the pastor or per say the main guy at a church, father?
it's a sign of respect and using the term father as a means to refer to a spiritual advocate was done by the Jews before the Christians as well we see in the scriptures the Jews often refer to Abraham, Moses, David, or Elijah as their "father" so this raises a question if it is not sinful per se to refer to a spiritual guide as father what did Christ mean by saying not to refer to anyone on earth as father he meant not to pay heed to peoples hypocrisy and arrogance people who relish and boast in such titles but are not in truth essentially he is referring to religious hypocrisy not religion itself
 
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It would require an entire book to address all the errors of the Catholic Church. But coming back to revealed truth, you will not find the term, or the concept, or the doctrine of PURGATORY in the Bible (the 66 canonical books, since even the Catholic scholar Jerome would not agree that the Apocrypha is Scripture). And this is just one of many, many errors taught and promoted by the RCC.
St. Jerome was one man and while he did at one point refer to the Septuagint as questionable he did change his opinion on the matter later in life this is clearly recorded in much of the writings preserved from the time from figures such as Pope St. Damasus I, St. Augustine, and St. Ambrose. In fact his reasoning for changing his opinion on the Septuagint is actually recorded as being "the church has the final say" and it would seem rather odd historically to dismiss the Greek Septuagint as scripture when they were clearly revered by early Christians even as early as the late 1st century. In fact most Jews had these books listed as "codex" along side the Tankah until the late 4th century when the Christian scriptures where formulated the reason for the absolute removal of these books in Judaism "they were to Christian in feel" and they were written in Greek. Quite honestly if we cannot trust the historical men who formulated the scriptures into the singular book it now is through the grace of God than I would dare say Christianity all together is questionable. I don't take the latter view as I am Christian
 
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on the same mode of discussion I do find it odd the absolute fascination Protestantism has with St. Jerome for a few reasons namely Protestantism ignores a good chunk of the church fathers and from what I understand it also sees monasticism as cultic St. Jerome eremitic desert hermit who spent more than likely most of his life in isolation from society in prayer and writing.
 

Jackson123

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Look at your own wrongs before you start pointing out others
yep we, I include doing a lot of wrong. And because I do to much wrong, now I start learn doing right. Some time I lie, and it is wrong, but I make additional wrong if I said lie is the will of God.

And I have to teach my son that lie is not the will of God, because it is.

the fact that I am a sinner, doesn't mean I have to hate catholic by not warn them that bow down to the statue of Mary is not the will of God.

it is not throw stone, it is throw love. If your love one walk toward bottomless pit and you not warn them, it is super evil.

Unfortunatelly people do think if you warn them mean you hate them.

the fact is warn mean love, ignore them mean hate.

Let them bow down with no attempt to warn is let them go to hell and it is hatred, not love.
 

FrankLee

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I didn't read every reply but have read some of them. The doctrine of Roman Catholicism is squarely against God's word. It tries to exalt a human, Mary, to a supernatural position which is not hers. Were she here in the flesh she would be the first one to attack that evil empire and crusade for it's destruction. An empire built on lies, deceit and twisting God's word. The very first person who was hit by this demonic doctrine is accounted of in the Bible. The Lord wanted an account of this false religion to be remembered. I've always thought it wonderful that every word in the Bible was put there for specific purposes and never ever by chance but by design of the creator, Jesus Christ.

Luke 11:27-28 (NKJV)
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!"
28 But He said, "More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!"

First this woman exalts Mary above the savior, the very son of God! Satan had bee in busy in this woman convincing her that Mary was the "mother of God" Then Jesus dresses her down and points her back to the word of God. The doctrine she establishes with her unholy pronouncement becomes the foundation of the abomination seated at Rome.

Films, books, autobiographies and documentaries have established the depth of ruin rained on priests, nuns and parishioners.

When forced to by circumstances (I'm certain it was a teaching by the Holy Spirit) we put our two children into a catholic school for a short period. We were homeschooling them but a terminal illness in the family required we interrupt our schooling. We are born again Christians baptized in the Holy Spirit. We speak in tongues, believe in all the gifts, healing m, and that Jesus Christ his the same yesterday today and forever. Yet we did this for a time.

Our son who was promised in prophecy, dreams and visions to us by Jesus, has been a strong believer since he was very small. He would not kowtow to the orders of the terrorist nun who constantly tried to force him to worship Mary. Had I known some of the things she did to my son I'm not certain what I'd have done. She once locked the little fellow in a closet for not paying homage to Mary! Anger is not a big enough word. I had to forgive the pitiful soul but did some wrestling. He didn't tell us about this until a long time later after we'd extracted him and his younger sister from the pope's Jaws. Once when "sister Pauline" asked the class if it pleased God for them to pray and bow before Mary my son answered her with a resounding NO! I don't know what punishment she meted out but was constantly coming against the few protestant children there. He laughs about this now but he remembers the doctrines of the catholic church very well.

God has saved many Roman catholics and left them in that church as witnesses to the unsaved. They can use our prayers and are critical for witnessing Jesus to the catholic parishioners. There are I'm quite certain, also a huge number of protestant churches that have both church goers and pastors that stand in need of salvation and baptizing in the Holy Spirit. I do not hate those poor deceived souls that have been ensnared by the RCC, I rather pity them that they don't know the Lord Jesus Christ as their savior. Once my wife and I agreed to go to a Roman Catholic church at the request of her brother for some function. In looking through their hymnals that were resident on every pew I found many blasphemous songs such as "Hail Mary queen of heaven" in those books. The Lord has a holy anger against these unholy words that pervert the lives of people from following after Him and Him alone.

One of my sisters in law was born into the catholic church, indoctrinated and brainwashed into their anti scriptural cult. And no mistake here, the RMC is a cult, a false representation of God. The Lord God is a very jealous God and will never share His glory. We can list numerous scriptures to that effect. There are many other aspects and doctrines of the RCC that fly in the face of the Bible but Mary alone is sufficient for fleeing their doctrine of devils.

One of my my sister in law's mothers, who is an Italian Roman Catholic, is steeped in their misrepresentations of every part of the gospel. She once told my wife on the subject of prayer "if you wanted to ask something of a great and powerful man and knew his mother you would go to her first. You would ask her to request that her son fulfill your petition rather than going straight to the big man himself ". So prayer is made to Mary as a way of getting what you want from God.

However the word of God says;

1 Timothy 2:5 (NKJV) For there is ONE God and ONE mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

God wants no one and nothing between us and Him. Each of us can come directly, boldly to the throne of God because of the covering of the blood of Jesus Christ on the life of the born again believer. The blood, the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross has torn down the wall of separation that stood between we the needy seekers and God.

Hebrews 4:15-16 (NKJV)
15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come BOLDLY to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

Any doctrine that places anything between you and God is a false doctrine. I have no hate toward Roman Catholics but rather pity. Just as I have for anyone who is blind and deceived. Unless the spirit of God opens their eyes they will remain blind and unsaved. Let us pray that we can present the truth of the gospel to them through the anointing of the Holy Spirit.

I have another sister in law that was raised a Roman Catholic but was later saved and baptized in the Holy Spirit. Her life is far different - far better - than the lives of family yet involved with the Roman Catholic religion.

It is easier for God to reach the unreligious, the every day heathen, pagan such as I was, that knows absolutely nothing about God than it is to reach all those entrenched in the bunkers of religious tradition.

Like Tevia in "Fiddler on the roof" said of Jews, everything about the RC church can be summed up in one word, TRADITION!

if we look at the ministry of our Lord Jesus Christ we see that a huge portion of it was spent fighting against Jewish traditions and the religious leaders that turned their back on God. They were more interested in preserving their perceived notions of the sanctity of their Mosaic tradition than in seeking the will and pleasure of the Almighty God they professed to serve. I pray that the Lord deliver me from any self deception in establishing any sort of tradition that would come between us. The Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalians, Pentecostals, Greek orthodox and other denominational religions we can name have established traditions that hinder or block fellowship with Jesus. That set aside the commandments of the Lord. They practice the letter of the word but not the spirit.

The rotten foundation of the Roman Catholic Church is a foundation which cannot be built upon. Mary, a mere mortal, is not and will never be part of the God head. On the day of Pentecost Mary was baptized in the Holy Spirit and was speaking in tongues, praising and worshipping God just as happened to me and many of my family. You can say we have more in common with Mary than the average Roman catholic parishioner. The "ask your priest, you are not able to understand these scriptures" is promoted btly the RCC.

A book by Frank Foglio, who was a dyed in the wool Italian Roman Catholic, tells of the conversion of his mother to real christianity complete with baptism in the Holy Spirit. The book "Hey God! is a great picture of a family delivered from the deceit of the Christian apostasy that us entrenched at Rome. Mama Foglio was enraged when they were told that Mary was NOT the mother of God. She shouted and demanded that the Lord tell her the truth. She was saved, baptized I'm the Holy Spirit and given the gift of tongues. After that she took her sizeable clan of kids door to door witnessing Jesus and the gospel. The book is still in print I think.

1 Corinthians 3:10-11 (NKJV)
10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it.
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Bottom line is seek God in prayer. Read the Bible over and over to see if what your pastor - or priest is saying is true to THE WORD. Run, don't walk away from anyone speaking contrary to the exact printed word of the BIBLE. If you are a born again, baptized in the Holy Spirit Christian then shout for joy! We have escaped much trouble that is part of every false religion.

Acts 17:11 (NKJV) These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out WHETHER THESE THINGS WERE SO.

Brethren let everything be done unto edification and truth.

Frank Lee Jennings
 

Nehemiah6

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on the same mode of discussion I do find it odd the absolute fascination Protestantism has with St. Jerome for a few reasons namely Protestantism ignores a good chunk of the church fathers and from what I understand it also sees monasticism as cultic St. Jerome eremitic desert hermit who spent more than likely most of his life in isolation from society in prayer and writing.
There is no doubt that Jerome chose to be an ascetic. But it is not *fascination* with Jerome which draws our attention to him. Jerome studied Hebrew and Greek, then translated the Latin Vulgate directly out of Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. At the same time he understood the significance of canonical books vs non-canonical books.

The practice of the Church up to the time of the Reformation was to follow the judgment of Jerome who rejected the Old Testament apocrypha on the grounds that these books were never part of the Jewish canon.

http://www.justforcatholics.org/a108.htm

And Jerome was pressured into including those non-canonical books within the Vulgate. But it was only after the Council of Trent that the Catholic Church dug in its heels and pronounced their Apocrypha as canonical. This is probably because the Reformers said it was not canonical.
 

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Do enlighten me. I know there are many versions/translations of the same Bible if that's what you mean.
If you go to www.biblegateway.com you will find one called Revised Standard Version, Catholic Edition (RSVCE). I counted the books in it and there are 46 in the old testament and 27 in the new testament for a total of 73 books instead of 66 in the others.
 

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If you go to www.biblegateway.com you will find one called Revised Standard Version, Catholic Edition (RSVCE). I counted the books in it and there are 46 in the old testament and 27 in the new testament for a total of 73 books instead of 66 in the others.
The Roman Catholic Church did not officially canonize the apocrypha until the Council of Trent (1546 AD).

The apocrypha consists of 15 pieces of Jewish literature written around 200 years B.C. They are included with the Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures known as the Septuagint. Seven of these books (First and Second Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Baruch and Ecclesiasticus, also known as Sirach) and additions to Esther and Daniel, are considered canonical by the Roman Catholic Church. Protestants do not accept them as part of the Holy Scriptures.

Proverbs 30:6 - Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
 

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If Catholics believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead, they are saved.

Romans 10:[SUP]9 [/SUP]That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

I am not sure how any Catholic cannot believe the 2 requirements of that verse even when doing the many works of catholicism that denies their salvation in Him, but they are saved as in they are His since they had believed, even if they are laboring in unbelief by the works of catholicism as if they are not saved yet now.

I see Catholicism as an "Indian giver" when it comes to the gospel of Jesus Christ as one that gives a gift & takes it back. The RCC may lead them inadvertantly to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God had raised Him from the dead, even though the works of catholicism steals away their joy of salvation by causing them to come short of that rest in laboring in unbelief by doing the works of catholicism, thus making the simplicity of the gospel, more complicated than it needs to be.

Some Catholics believed they are saved in spite of what the official Catholic catechism says for why the works of catholicism; including the sacraments, are necessary for obtaining that salvation. Those Catholics that would argue with me on that point, do not know their Catholic catechism, even though they believed they are saved.

So we are not to judge any professing believer as not saved, or not a christian, ( a rule of this forum BTW ) but we are to expose the works of darkness by correcting Catholics even when they know why they are doing the works of catholicism so that God can restore the joy of their salvation by leading them out of the works of catholicism and out of the RCC church.

2 Corinthians 6:[SUP]16 [/SUP]And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.[SUP]17 [/SUP]Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.[SUP]18 [/SUP]And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Ephesians 5:[SUP]10 [/SUP]Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

1 John 1:[SUP]5 [/SUP]This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
 

Nehemiah6

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If Catholics believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead, they are saved.
To believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is to (1) believe that He is totally sufficient as our Lord and Savior and (2) that His finished work of redemption is totally sufficient for our salvation, and that nothing can be added to that.

Since Catholics DO NOT believe this, how can you claim that they do? Have you studied the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and have you studied Maryolatry in the Catholic Church?
 

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To believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is to (1) believe that He is totally sufficient as our Lord and Savior and (2) that His finished work of redemption is totally sufficient for our salvation, and that nothing can be added to that.
I do not read that as so specific in how they should believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead. You really think a child can understand beyond what was written to that specificity which you seem to ascribe to in order to receive salvation?

Since Catholics DO NOT believe this, how can you claim that they do? Have you studied the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and have you studied Maryolatry in the Catholic Church?
How did the Protestants left the RCC? Did the Protestant left testifying that they got saved afterwards? Seem to me that they were protesting against works that deny Him that they were saved all along, but if I am mistaken, feel free to inform.

It's not like they had not heard the Good News. They just did not realize how contrary the works of catholicism was to the Good News, but hey. I could be wrong about church history. Feel free to inform. Otherwise, I believe the scripture that they are saved but do not believe the end result per the works of catholicism that they are saved, thus coming short of that rest and are laboring in unbelief.
 

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Feel free to inform.
It is far more effective if you go directly to the source. After you have read their Catechism, read the proceedings of the Council of Trent. The Catholic Church has "another gospel". Just as the Judaizers were teaching that circumcision is necessary for salvation, the RCC teaches that the sacraments are necessary for salvation, and even then you will end up in Purgatory.
 

Jackson123

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Protestan may have a dark history as well, but they make correction and not intend to lie

look at how lie is catholic doctrine.

If you wear scapular you are under protection of Virgin Mary. Any body believe that? Can Mary protect you?

Let rob the bank, and wear scapular, fast rich and save because under Mary protection

https://www.catholiccompany.com/content/How-to-use-the-Scapular.cfm
 

Jackson123

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Protestan may have a dark history as well, but they make correction and not intend to lie

look at how lie is catholic doctrine.

If you wear scapular you are under protection of Virgin Mary. Any body believe that? Can Mary protect you?

Let rob the bank, and wear scapular, fast rich and save because under Mary protection

https://www.catholiccompany.com/content/How-to-use-the-Scapular.cfm
Protection just because wear scapular is unbiblical. Have a faith and obey to Jesus will make you under Jesus protection, this is biblical
 
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Catholicism has its "good points"{scriptural} and it has its "bad points" {non-scriptural}.....like most denominations
 

Jackson123

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Catholicism has its "good points"{scriptural} and it has its "bad points" {non-scriptural}.....like most denominations
Protestant declare bible is the source of the doctrine, catholic use tradition and magister. catholic and Protestant is like Hindu and Islam, not only different denomination, but different religion.

catholic work for lucifer, because catholic promote new world order which is antichrist government

https://www.charismanews.com/opinio...ted-a-one-world-religion-or-a-new-world-order