Is satan a fallen angel?

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JeremiahsCup

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Timothy5378 said:
JeremiahsCup...Job might disagree that the Devil could only lie to him and the Devil got Jesus killed more than anyone really....thinking probably that he was going to win...the devil does get permission to do more than lie...listen to David in the psalms...if our fight is not against flesh and blood but demonic power...the battle is real and getting seriously hurt is too...but the Devil must get permission...but God is over all the enemy can do
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Well in book of Job the Devil lies to God. His lie to God is that Job will curse God if God takes away Job's substance. God lets everything be taken from Job. Pathetic Satan returns after utterly failing, like he always fails, and lies again and says well this time if you afflict Job directly he'll definitely curse God. But in the end despite all the affliction and even the foolish lies of his friends, Job never curses God. Satan is really just a loser and God is a winner.

As for Jesus, well Jesus willingly laid down his life and took it back up again. I suppose though that in an indirect way if Satan had not lied in the Garden, or if the woman had resisted the Devil's lies, that indeed there'd be no need for Jesus to be the sacrifice to redeem mankind.

The battle is a spiritual battle. Spirit literally is breath. So it's God and his Spirit and his Word of Truth on one side. The dragon and his breath and word of three lies, the spirit of demons, on the other side. Satan is going to lose because Satan always loses, even when he tricked the woman he foolishly lost, now he has to die too and he has no hope for salvation, so it's very easy to see why he'll be very wrathful when he is cast out to the earth knowing that his time is short. God will always prevail.
 
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Oh are you a millennial also? I thought you might be a bit older by your picture.
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No just the rarity thing lol, I was born in 68 so I’m not sure what that’s called baby boomers I don’t know hehe. haven’t kept up with the lingo

my photo is about two yrs old I was around 50 I think
 
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No just the rarity thing lol, I was born in 68 so I’m not sure what that’s called baby boomers I don’t know hehe. haven’t kept up with the lingo
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Ah okay I see. A rarity among the boomers, hmm, so you weren't born at Woodstock? This is said as a joke lol.
 
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JeremiahsCup said:
Ah okay I see. A rarity among the boomers, hmm, so you weren't born at Woodstock? This is said as a joke lol.
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Haha Nay that came little over a year after I was born, I was born three days before Martin Luther king got shot
 
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My point was the Devil can do more than just lie...he can get permission to really hurt and even kill
 
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Haha Nay that came little over a year after I was born, I was born three days before Martin Luther king got shot
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The Boomers are pretty fun, they're mostly who I encounter at the fancy networking dinners. I think a lot of times they're just impressed to see a Millennial that isn't all tattooed out and screaming in their face about climate change.
 
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And again...Satan is the first fallen angel...thats the answer...he appears in Gen 3 lol...we can argue about it...but there is no need
 
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Timothy5378 said:
My point was the Devil can do more than just lie...he can get permission to really hurt and even kill
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Well in an indirect way, yes. Satan's power is to lie. So as we see, like in the temptation of Jesus, what he does is he lies to the whole world and rather gets them to kill themselves, to hurt themselves, to distance themselves from the knowledge of Lord God.
 
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JeremiahsCup said:
The Boomers are pretty fun, they're mostly who I encounter at the fancy networking dinners. I think a lot of times they're just impressed to see a Millennial that isn't all tattooed out and screaming in their face about climate change.
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Maybe that’s where I differ, I don’t have tattoos but I don’t look at that as an issue or climate change it happens, where I live the climate is always changing from warm to hot to cold to freezing hehe.
 
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Timothy5378 said:
And again...Satan is the first fallen angel...thats the answer...he appears in Gen 3 lol...we can argue about it...but there is no need
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No, Satan is not a fallen angel. Genesis 3 is the first mention of Satan indeed, and it says he is an animal, and even reconfirms an animal when Lord God curses him. Satan's Kingdom of Lies is all backwards. Notice in Genesis 1 and 2 how God establishes the right order of God--->Man-->Woman-->Animals. Notice how because of Satan's lies and mankind succumbing to him this order is totally flipped around into the order of the curses of Animal (Satan himself)--->Woman---->Man
 
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JamOn said:
Maybe that’s where I differ, I don’t have tattoos but I don’t look at that as an issue or climate change it happens, where I live the climate is always changing from warm to hot to cold to freezing hehe.
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Lol that was moreso a little bit of a dig at my generation lol, it's way easier to name the people my age that don't have a tattoo than it is to name the ones that do.
 
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It bothers me when I here people say that satan is a fallen angel because I am unable to find such information in the Bible.

Do people use non-biblical information assuming it is Biblical?
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Firstly, in my view, which should go without saying , I think we have to ask ourselves, does Satan appear in the Hebrew Bible? Since the New Testament is a fulfillment of the prophecies of the old, the Hebrew Bible is relevant.
 
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JeremiahsCup said:
Lol that was moreso a little bit of a dig at my generation lol, it's way easier to name the people my age that don't have a tattoo than it is to name the ones that do.
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Back when I was a young lad, there wasn’t many tattoo parlors around, today I can see them almost at every other traffic light. not sure why that has become so popular now a days. back in the day mostly sailors had them now everyone has them lol.
 
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Back when I was a young lad, there wasn’t many tattoo parlors around, today I can see them almost at every other traffic light. not sure why that has become so popular now a days. back in the day mostly sailors had them now everyone has them lol.
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Yea it started to get popular with the people my age towards the end of highschool for me, I'd say around 2006-2007. And it was really just downhill from there.
 
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Yea it started to get popular with the people my age towards the end of highschool for me, I'd say around 2006-2007. And it was really just downhill from there.
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Fill me in if you can what’s up with that, why are so many young people getting tattoos. I work at a collage I see a lot of tattooed people
 
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The world is getting so bad all will want to be hells angels soon...no joke...the tattoos and the rest is just his stuff and people are fascinated with him...in black and death etc...its the end...loving the Bible to learn it all...thsts not the popular thing...for TV is what people want today...you take the bomb tube from everyone...that would be murder mob...people would rather get all there teeth drilled for 8 hours than read the Bible 8 hours
 
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Fill me in if you can what’s up with that, why are so many young people getting tattoos. I work at a collage I see a lot of tattooed people
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I would recommend this video from an excellent commentator on the sickeningly degenerate fall of my generation:

 
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Timothy5378 said:
The world is getting so bad all will want to be hells angels soon...no joke...the tattoos and the rest is just his stuff and people are fascinated with him...in black and death etc...its the end...loving the Bible to learn it all...thsts not the popular thing...for TV is what people want today...you take the bomb tube from everyone...that would be murder mob...people would rather get all there teeth drilled for 8 hours than read the Bible 8 hours
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hmm well looking into the Bible in Leviticus doesn’t seem it was a wise thing to do even way back then.

Leviticus 19:28
You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the LORD.
 
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From what I’ve read Tattoos are minor considering there’s a new fad out cutting off a finger why is truly strange
 
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JamOn said:
From what I’ve read Tattoos are minor considering there’s a new fad out cutting off a finger why is truly strange
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Oh wow I haven't heard of that one, must be the crazy Gen Z kids. I'll have to ask my two Gen Z employees about that.
 
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