Is sin a choice?

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KennethC

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eternally-gratefull said:

Sorry, but if your claiming lust is not a sin unless it goes to action you are doing the very thing I claimed you are doing.

I can lust of a woman for hours and never do anything about it, your telling me that is not sin? You have issues.
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Once again what you said in the first sentence and those who have given you likes for saying this, obviously shows you are not reading what I read and just skimming through it.

Lust is a sinful feeling that arises from the thoughts of the heart.........Lust = Feeling !!!

If you are going to claim the thought alone is sin, before it gives birth to the sinful feeling, then you like I said before are in turn stating that born again believers will never have overcome and have victory over sins. That is unbiblical !!!
 
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KennethC

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Gr8grace said:
And the way I understand him......as long as we don't speak and act. We can make a pretty good case for porn being ok.
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False again as you are agreeing with a person who is saying something I never said.

Porn can never be justified as being okay because;
A) Watching it is an action and is wrong, so you are already doing a sinful action

B) Thinking about porn then will lead to lustful feelings (sin), which then in turn can lead to all different kinds of sexual immorality actions.

C) A person would not know about porn unless shown or talked about to them, and in both cases will lead to the sinful feelings of lust once again.....

So no you can't make an argument that porn is okay, and once again as I have mentioned to others if you are going to make a thought alone a sin then you have born again believers never having overcome and have victory over sin. That is once again unbiblical !!!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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KennethC said:
Once again what you said in the first sentence and those who have given you likes for saying this, obviously shows you are not reading what I read and just skimming through it.

Lust is a sinful feeling that arises from the thoughts of the heart.........Lust = Feeling !!!

If you are going to claim the thought alone is sin, before it gives birth to the sinful feeling, then you like I said before are in turn stating that born again believers will never have overcome and have victory over sins. That is unbiblical !!!
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If your teaching sinless perfectionalism, that is not biblical.

I never claimed a thought that just pops in your head is sin. get real!
 
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ember

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KennethC said:
I understand it just fine, and if a person is going to claim the thought itself is sin and not what gives birth to sin, then you are pretty much saying born again believers will never have overcome and have victory over sin.

That is unbiblical to think that way;


1 Corinthians 15:57
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
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uh...I'm actually thinking you don't understand

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Matthew 5:28

yeah, yuh know? since Jesus said that, I'm going with Him. He started this whole Christianity thing and being filled with the Holy Spirit and all...so yeah...gotta go with Jesus
 
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If sin was "a choice" it would hurt me eternally, as some wrong decisions I´ve made.
 
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How does this fit with James 1:12-15?

What is the source of the lust that draws us away and into sin?

For the cause of Christ
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phil112 said:
Can you sin without knowing it?
Simple questions.
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Yes, sinning is a choice (Eze 18:20).

One learns the difference between right and wrong (Isa 7:15,16; Heb 5:14; Deut 1:39) and then choose to do wrong either knowingly or ignorantly(Lev 4:2,13,22,27; Num 15:27). Sin is not something one passively inherits against his free will choice from another.
 
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6Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him, neither known Him.
7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.
8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. 1 John 3
 
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phil112 said:
Can you sin without knowing it?
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According to Rom 8:3, my body is sinful. I certainly had no choice in that;
nor am I aware of what it is about my body that's sinful. But even if I knew;
there's probably nothing I can do about it anyway. I mean: my body has a
number of automatic functions over which I have no control; and that's
counting the 3-pound lump of flabby organic tissue housed within my bony
little skull sufficing for a mind. How am I supposed to cure a flabby lump
of its sinfulness? Is it fair to hold me accountable for naughty neurons?

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GregoryC

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Usually when I sin I know it right away and am disturbed. Thank you Holy Spirit!

But If I sin and have no conscious knowledge of it then how can it be sin?
 
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GregoryC said:
Usually when I sin I know it right away and am disturbed. Thank you Holy Spirit!

But If I sin and have no conscious knowledge of it then how can it be sin?
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Is that a trick question? hmm, I'd say Almighty defines what sin is and doesn't consult us about that, so sin is sin whether we know about it or not.

Maybe this is what you're askin': 47"And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, 48but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.
 
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Karraster said:
Is that a trick question? hmm, I'd say Almighty defines what sin is and doesn't consult us about that, so sin is sin whether we know about it or not.

Maybe this is what you're askin': 47"And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes,48but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.
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John 8:35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever.36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

I am no slave but a blood bought son who has been set free. If I sin there is a person called the Holy Spirit that faithfully warns me so I can be corrected, confess my sin in a spirit of meekness and move forward.
Confident in Gods love to me in that the blood of Christ cleanses me of all sin.

You however and your religion seem to be based upon slavish fear and not a love relationship.
 
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Karraster

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GregoryC said:
John 8:35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever.36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

I am no slave but a blood bought son who has been set free. If I sin there is a person called the Holy Spirit that faithfully warns me so I can be corrected, confess my sin in a spirit of meekness and move forward.
Confident in Gods love to me in that the blood of Christ cleanses me of all sin.

You however and your religion seem to be based upon slavish fear and not a love relationship.
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My religion? I don't claim to have religion.
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
I think it's saying free from sin or, not a slave to sin.
 
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Laodicea

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We can do wrong without knowing it is wrong because we may not have knowledge it is wrong. A lion kills, but it is not sin because a Lion has no knowledge of the law of God. It is wrong, but not sin. The Bible says sin is transgression of the law.
 
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phil112 said:
Can you sin without knowing it?
Simple questions.
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You know no matter how much we desire and crave to see through God's eyes subconsciously we judge ppl by appearance and make an assumption about them based on that, have you ever noticed that? I sure have and I would certainly consider this sinning even if it disgusts me about myself, I seek to see through his eyes and his alone even if that means I lose sight in my own eyes however to see through such eyes we would first need his heart to replace our own and such a thing is by no means easy to obtain fully but is more than worth seeking and having.

I don't need these eyes to see
 
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Proverbs 27:20 .) Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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secularhermit said:
If sin was "a choice" it would hurt me eternally, as some wrong decisions I´ve made.
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Maybe I am wrong and misread you.

But if sin does not do this to you when confronted with it, either by God or another brother or sister in Christ, then there is something majorly wrong.
 
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YES!!! In fact we do it all the time..

Sin is not only doing the things we ought not to be doing...
Sin is also not doing the things we ought to be doing....

example: Did you read your bible the way you ought to read it?
Do you love God perfectly which is the way you ought to lov e God everyday?
Did you praise God when you woke up for allowing you another day in life?

I am aware of the sins I commit and have no problem in knowing them, but its often the sins that creep upon us when we are most unaware and exposed that really gets us.

Categorise sin as not only doing that which we shouldn't, but also not doing the things we should...
:( what a sad affair it is for us human beings, Thank God Jesus Christs atonement is enough and is the only real thing of worth to deem us fit and clean
 
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faniehennig

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11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Rev 22
 
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faniehennig

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6Whosoever abideth in Jesus sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him, neither known Him.

7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as God is righteous.
8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. 1 John 3
 
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