IS SMOKING A SIN WORTHY OF DISFELLOWSHIPMENT?

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WHICH OPTION BEST REFLECTS YOUR POSITION ON WHETHER SMOKING IS A SIN?

  • Smoking is a sin, and unrepentant smokers should be disfellowshipped

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Smoking is a sin, but unrepentant smokers should not be disfellowshipped

    Votes: 20 48.8%
  • Smoking is not a sin

    Votes: 21 51.2%

  • Total voters
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Gabriel2020

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Eating the same food,drinking the same water , smoking the same cigarette -PROVERBS;4; 20;My son attend to my words, incline thine ear unto my sayings;21; Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart. 22; For they are life unto those that find them,and health to all their flesh. EXODUS; 15; 26; And said, if thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God,and wilt do that which is right in his sight,and wilt give ear to his commandments,and keep all his statues, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians, for I am the Lord that healeth thee. EXODUS ; 23; 25; And ye shall serve the Lord your God,and he shall bless thy bread,and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst ofthee.
 
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Addiction is idolatry.
Addicted smokers hold their cigarettes in a place of high importance and are, in fact, enslaved by them.
Smoking their cigarettes is ritualistic and they do it, figuratively speaking, religiously.
Cigarettes cost a lot of money, and that money becomes an offering to themselves.
An addict who is "miserable" chose the misery, and they can choose to stop it.

No, I don't have compassion on them, I hold them in contempt.
Especially when I see them buying food with an EBT card and they're obviously smokers.
And especially especially ones whose children are forced to breath their second-hand poison,
and are sent to school in rags that smell like they're stored in an ashtray because their low-life parents
don't have money to buy them new clothes because they wasted it on cigarettes and whatever else.
I have compassion on their children, who are victims of abuse IMO.

And then there's the people that won't leave that garbage at home for two
hours on a Sunday, and feel the need to smoke up in the church parking lot.
I can protect my kids from most evils of the world by not frequenting
crap-holes in real life or on TV, but you'd think church would be the
one place I could take them without having them to see debauchery.

Im gonna try hard to stay calm on this one. I dont believe smoking is something a Christian should do,but I do understand it is something they are addicted to and many struggle for years trying to kick the habit. Shunning people will not help them. Whether it be food,porn,cigs,alcohol and any other vise you can think of,the more you berate them the more stress they get under and the more they turn to said vice. I think brother Willie can back me up on that one. As a brother/sister in the Lord you ought to be willing to support and pray them through.


​If we want to talk idolatry Im sure you'd agree the same goes for sports,correct? As in you'd never stay home from church to watch a game. You'd never skip church for the Superbowl. And the fact that many churches today have a big screen tv that they roll out during Superbowl time is just a coincidence correct? Ive traveled to churches where they've said "well the pastor isn't here,he's taken his son to {fill in the black} sports even. So Im certain you'd disagree with that and consider it idolatry also?

I get that there are people spending money and not properly looking after their kids and that to me is wrong. But there are also parents spending too much money drinking,gambling, and a million other things and thats just irresponsible parenting. You may not have compassion on them but I believe God does. A lot of them learned their coping skills and picked up addictions from watching their parents so they're more to be pitied than blamed. They grow up and teach their children and it becomes an unending cycle. That where the church is supposed to come in and be a light,I think sister Lynn mentioned that in another thread. If you think shaking your head and tsk tsking is going to break the cycle of bondage,it hasn't worked this far. Perhaps its time to change course? But ah no,the church is too busy arguing over if we should use the hymnal or sing off the wall. Should it be praise and worship or southern gospel?

Your use of the word "debauchery" bothers me,especially looking at your avatar. I assume you,like most men,enjoy sports? You support sports? Have no issue with the lifestyle they live.But a smoker is living in debauchery? Humm. My uncle use to come to church from time to time,he was a lifelong alcoholic and a smoker. Any excuse to get him to come to church we'd bring him. Now he would try to go away from the church to smoke,but yes,he had to smoke because he had a problem with the addiction. You dont want your kids to see a sinner? Is that what you're saying? Do we need a separate entrance for sinners so we dont offend Christians?! Are your kids that sheltered that they think everyone is a Christian? If Jesus ate with sinners what makes you think you shouldn't?

I'll end with this statement from Salvation Army founder who said "go straight for souls,and go for the worst". The church isn't for the saved its for the lost,its a lighthouse and a beacon for the perishing.If you can't handle that perhaps you need to start your own church where only the perfect can attend.
 
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Well, I have to admit that I smoke, many times for hours long intervals. I don't do it every day though, so it doesn't really control me. My wife doesn't mind when I smoke, nor do my friends &c, they have never asked me to quit.
 
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The church isn't for the saved its for the lost,its a lighthouse and a beacon for the perishing.If you can't handle that perhaps you need to start your own church where only the perfect can attend.

This is the problem with many churches often times, they are trying all they can to make the place comfortable for worldly folks instead of going to the highways and byways and by God's grace bringing them to repentance. This is why we got worldly music and other garbage in the churches. The church
The church is the gathering of the believers together to break bread, worship and fellowship, not to bring in Gospel rejecting people, the carnal cant take in the spiritual so they wouldnt even learn nothing in church.
 
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I was going to also say that WINE does the same thing.......goes in RED and comes out............... HAHAHAHHAHAH yeah I know.......... ;)
That's why beer goes through you quicker than wine. It doesn't have to stop to change colors.
 
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This is the problem with many churches often times, they are trying all they can to make the place comfortable for worldly folks instead of going to the highways and byways and by God's grace bringing them to repentance. This is why we got worldly music and other garbage in the churches. The church
The church is the gathering of the believers together to break bread, worship and fellowship, not to bring in Gospel rejecting people, the carnal cant take in the spiritual so they wouldnt even learn nothing in church.

I would love it if all churches had no walls...
 
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kaylagrl

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This is the problem with many churches often times, they are trying all they can to make the place comfortable for worldly folks instead of going to the highways and byways and by God's grace bringing them to repentance. This is why we got worldly music and other garbage in the churches. The church
The church is the gathering of the believers together to break bread, worship and fellowship, not to bring in Gospel rejecting people, the carnal cant take in the spiritual so they wouldnt even learn nothing in church.


Wow! Wow! Son you're so far off track its not even funny. Trust me on

this,the church is an outreach to a dying world and we ought to get sinners and worldly people in there as often as we can. Ive seen countless people over the years come to church and get saved.The church is not some exclusive club.

Years ago when I was in ministry with my family we sang in a town that was known for satan worship.They had a coven or whatever they call it this little town.That night when we had a break in the concert we were having at a hall, a young man stopped me and we began to chat. He informed me that his father was the head of the local satanic church and his sister was with him. We continued to talk and that night his sister came to the alter and gave her life to the Lord. We called a year or so later and that girl was still attending church. No,a thousand times no,the church is not an exclusive club for Christians. Its a place for people to meet Jesus and to hear the good news preached,how else will they hear? No,you're 100% wrong.
 
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Your perversion of my post shows that you are intellectually
dishonest and have the mentality of a tantrum-throwing child.
Guess I touched one of your tender little nerves.
Sad that your parents were such utter failures.
No need to respond.
Welcome to my ignore list.
your posts spoke for themselves....
 
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This is the problem with many churches often times, they are trying all they can to make the place comfortable for worldly folks instead of going to the highways and byways and by God's grace bringing them to repentance. This is why we got worldly music and other garbage in the churches. The church
The church is the gathering of the believers together to break bread, worship and fellowship, not to bring in Gospel rejecting people, the carnal cant take in the spiritual so they wouldnt even learn nothing in church.
the carnal cannot take in religion......so send them on down to us....we'll take em...
 
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Your perversion of my post shows that you are intellectually
dishonest and have the mentality of a tantrum-throwing child.
Guess I touched one of your tender little nerves.
Sad that your parents were such utter failures.
No need to respond.
Welcome to my ignore list.
Is this "Show Your True Colors Day"?

Remember the law of sowing & reaping..... your harvest is coming.
 
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how can, you define, unmerited faviour, as license to rebuild law.

7 But if you call yourself a Jew and rely on the law and boast in God18 and know his will and approve what is excellent, because you are instructed from the law;19 and if you are sure that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness,20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of children, having in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth---21 you then who teach others, do you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing, do you steal?22 You who say that one must not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?23 You who boast in the law dishonor God by breaking the law.24 For, as it is written, "The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."Romans 2
 
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Here's the scripture:

14After He called the crowd to Him again, He began saying to them, “Listen to Me, all of you, and understand: 15there is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. 16[“If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.”] 17When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. 18And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.)20And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. 21“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, 22deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. 23“All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.”

The context of what Jesus was talking about was FOOD!

This scripture, or any like it should not be used to excuse an addiction to something that is poisonous going into your body.

Tell the alcoholics & drug addicts that nothing that goes in them defiles them!

Go eat a handful of black widow spiders & come back & tell me how it didn't defile you.

God didn't design our lungs to inhale smoke. That's why so many people die in burning houses.
I'm fine to say we just disagree. Happens a lot. :)
 
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.17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and a divided household falls.18 And if Satan also is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand?Luke 11:
 
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I loved the post till I got to the signature.

Gosh. I was kind of hoping YOU spoke like that.
It would be nice...
Actually, he does kind of speak sort of like that a lot...I've read a lot of his posts. :)
 

p_rehbein

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mj007;3185296[COLOR=#ff0000 said:
][/COLOR]Starting smoking in the first place makes it harder to deal with stress, why do you think smokers find it hard to quit? The receptors in the brain which create natural calmness, and also, proteins in the brain which control the sleep clock (in newer research), are damaged.

Disagree with this..........harder to quit because nicotine is addictive. Nothing to do with dealing with stress.

When someone started smoking in the beginning it was to 'cope with something'. Whether that was a dysfunctional family, childhood abuse or other trauma, lack of friends

This may be true for some, but many began because of peers smoking and such.

Did any non-smoker who became a smoker, see people smoking, think I know it's bad, I know it's unhealthy, but I'll do it anyway because my life is great and God is on my side in doing so?

This is just silly.....one can insert most anydarnthing in the place of "smoking" there and get the same result.....like breathing the air these days


But while some people may not have listened to the devil who says, you know you want one, you know you want to feel worthy, you know you want to forget about the past, you know you want to rebel, there are others who were fortunate to choose a different path. And smokers will not accept that, accept that they tend to be more weak-minded than those who never took up smoking.

Self righteous a wee bit are we? And the weak minded part is without any evidence whatsoever. Some of the greatest minds in the world were smokers. Do a bit of research before making such a comment.


This makes them more likely to be deceptive to themselves, and to others. And in answer to what StunnedByGrace said in a couple of responses, smokers will rarely speak positively of smoking in public. It's mainly if you want to try and help them quit, or you see it damaging their health, or you see them coughing all the time and try to advise.

Heard someone at Wal-Mart telling a guy this out by the front door one day......pretty close to the same words......the same general condemnation though......I had to laugh, and as I walked away, I remarked to both of them... "Said the alcoholic fat man to the smoker."

I'm not here to make smokers feel bad, I'm here to speak the truth.

Some truth, some conjecture, some personal bias is more correct methinks

I've helped people quit drugs, I have never had any success helping anyone quit smoking.

Nicotine is a drug

And StunnedByGrace, not sure why you want to trample on my own observations of smokers and how they behave. Are you a smoker?

Now, to be sure, I do not advocate that anyone take up the habit of smoking anything.......cigs OR wacky weed, or the synthetic stuff.......I also do not advocate anyone drinking alcohol, or consuming numerous other unhealthy items.

But, I have not seen anyone here show where Scripture says smoking is a sin. All I have seen is personal bias/opinions. Now, to those who say it is a sin to them.......then great........for them it is a sin. However, if a smoker does not believe it to be a sin, then for them it is not. Where people become self righteous is when they demand that others abide by THEIR ideas of what is or is not a sin.

Anyway..........
 
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I myself would not refuse smokers in church. Everyone needs deliverance from something, & that's what the church is for.

The only people that should be dismissed are those who have properly been counseled with their issue, such as gossip, hatred, adultery, etc., & they refuse to repent.

See what dcon said? I haven't said anything to him today, yet there's that attitude again as if I cussed him or something.

I would not refuse him in church for his attitude, as long as he kept it to himself. There's always hope.....

I understand..... it took a great deal of self-restraint not to answer him the way I wanted to.

I hope I'm able to do the same thing tomorrow, because I have learned an important lesson about apologizing & reneging on a promise. I've discovered thru this reneging I need to rise above that myself.

Please pray for me that I won't fail on mine.:)
So the smoker who keeps smoking/sinning would be allowed to remain and you would never think of putting him out of the fellowship but the gossiper who keeps gossiping/sinning has to go?
 
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The church is to minister to the "sick", like Jesus did. The gospel can heal most "sicknesses".

That being said, minister healing to them, & don't give them a lighter or an ashtray. Give them what they need, not what they want.
 
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I think Jesus concentrated on the heart and soul, everything else is trivial in my opinion. We nit pick each other to much. It will all sort itself out with us as God instructs us and lays on our hearts where we need to change. Pastors should concentrate on the same things Jesud did. A drug addict will come around as he is led by God. It is our job to gently lead them there and get out of the way before we scare them off with all our advice on how they should be. That is not to say that we cannot be there as a sounding board for them, and to help them develope. But we do not need to be saying to them "you need to quit drinking. it's a sin". Baloney. You need to accept Christ, be led by the spirit, and change your life as God directs you to.
I've been reading your posts in some amazement. You are very wise. It's so nice to meet you. :)