Is the Devil bound right now...?

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Is Satan bound right now?


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No.

These are TWO separate Resurrection events.


Tell me where they are. The resurrection is from death all the way back to Adam and it will be one resurrection.
 
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Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

God will do the same thing again in the resurrection.

Eze 37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,
Eze 37:2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.
Eze 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.
Eze 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
Eze 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
Eze 37:6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
 
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They say when Jesus Christ was crucified, many in the graves awoke. That could be the first resurrection. And Christ arising could be the second resurrection.
 
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It has to do with the Neshamah - the divine light within.

Pro 20:27 The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

The spirit of man

נשׁמה
neshâmâh
nesh-aw-maw'
From H5395; a puff, that is, wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect or (concretely) an animal: - blast, (that) breath (-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.
 
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2 Cor. 4:4
Ephesians 2:2

The Devil is bound to his Diad world going to and fro and up and down. That is completely a two-dimensional line.

Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Do you understand that, Yuri? That gets into Pixels and Voxels.
 
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You can pretty well see from all action in the United States that the devil has been loosed by whoever the anti-christ is.
Satan is not loose by anyone, the devil in not on the anti-Christ lease, the other way around.
 
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Tell me where they are. The resurrection is from death all the way back to Adam and it will be one resurrection.
Two elementary examples...


The First Resurrection...

Rev 20.4 - 6

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them. And judgment was given to them, and the souls of the ones having been beheaded because of the witness of Jesus, and because of the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor its image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they lived again and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were ended. This is the First Resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one having part in the First Resurrection. The Second Death has no authority over these, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him a thousand years.


First Resurrection:


· Satan is first bound (Rev 20.1 – 3). (i.e. by Jesus’ death upon the Cross).
· The Righteous are Resurrected during the ‘thousand year reign’ of Christ (Rev 20.4).
· The Righteous are also Resurrected at the end of the ‘thousand year reign’ of Christ (Rev 20.5).
· The First Resurrection encompasses The Righteous being resurrected all through the ‘thousand year reign’ of Christ.
· The Righteous are not Judged, rather, authority to Judge is given to them because they partake in the First Resurrection (Rev 20.4).



The Second Resurrection...


Rev 20.11 - 15

And I saw a Great White Throne, and the One sitting on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled; and a place was not found for them. And I saw the dead, the small and the great, standing before God. And books were opened. And another Book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of the things written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell gave up the dead in them. And they were each judged according to their works. And death and hell were thrown into the Lake of Fire. This is the Second Death. And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the Lake of Fire.

Second Resurrection:

· The Second Resurrection is also called The Second Death & Judgment Day. (Rev 20.12, 14).
· Two different sets of books are present at Judgment (Rev 20.12).
· One set consists of many books, and is filled with the works of the unrighteous (Rev 20.12 -13).
· The other set consists of just one book, and is filled with the names of the Righteous (Rev 20.15).
· The Lamb’s singular Book of Life contains the names of the Righteous, only. No works. (Rev 20.15).
· The other books (plural) contain the works of the un-righteous, only. No names. (Rev 20.12).
· Both the Righteous and the un-righteous have works....but it is only the un-righteous who are judged by it.
· The unrighteous are judged by their works, as they lack faith.
· The righteous are not judged by their works, as they have faith.
· The righteous are rewarded for their faith-based works.
· Only the ‘dead’ are judged.
· The ‘Living’ are not judged.
· The Righteous are saved from Judgment by their faith.
· When it states that the Righteous will judge, it is referring to the names written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, used as a reference point, opened at Judgment in order to judge the unrighteous. (Rev 20.12, 15).
· Death is defeated at The Second Resurrection.


 

Atwood

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No, and it is a fool who thinks he can bind satan.
satan goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

Still, greater is He who is in you, than He who is in the world.
Resist the devil, & he will flee from you.
Swing that sword of the Word of God.
 
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No, and it is a fool who thinks he can bind satan.
satan goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.
That would be the demons, not The Devil, as he is presently hamstrung...
 
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Really? Can you give corrobative support other than your opinion?
Job is clear.

Animal death occurred BEFORE mankind was even created.

Further, animal death occurred in The Garden of Eden BEFORE the expulsion of Adam & Eve...
 

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Job is clear.

Animal death occurred BEFORE mankind was even created.

Further, animal death occurred in The Garden of Eden BEFORE the expulsion of Adam & Eve...
Where is the supporting evidence. Job is not even addressing the topic. Its a nice verse if one takes it out of context and assigns a meaning to it that supports your theory. However, opinion is not fact.

So far, scripture states clearly that death is due to Adam's sin. God stated that He would return to dust because of his sin - Gen 3:19. Paul restates it in Rom 5:12. It has been believed and held by historical Christianity from the Apostles forward. The Incarnation and its purpose has been reiterated by three Ecumenical Councils. Your text of Heb 2:14-17 also makes it clear that death is of the devil and it is he that took Adam captive as well as all of humanity before Christ came.
 
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Where is the supporting evidence. Job is not even addressing the topic. Its a nice verse if one takes it out of context and assigns a meaning to it that supports your theory. However, opinion is not fact.
Job 38 is a review of creation and animal death BEFORE mankind even existed, as already shown in the context of sixteen verses.

Hardly out of context.

Deal with it...




So far, scripture states clearly that death is due to Adam's sin. God stated that He would return to dust because of his sin - Gen 3:19. Paul restates it in Rom 5:12. It has been believed and held by historical Christianity from the Apostles forward. The Incarnation and its purpose has been reiterated by three Ecumenical Councils. Your text of Heb 2:14-17 also makes it clear that death is of the devil and it is he that took Adam captive as well as all of humanity before Christ came.
Not even close.

Gen 2.17 mentions death would result in the day of eating the forbidden fruit, and both Adam & Eve lived hundreds of years AFTER they had partaken....thus, this did not mean physical death, but spiritual death.

Scripture speaks for itself.

Don't be afraid of it...
 
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Here, we have animal death occurring even BEFORE Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden...

And Yahweh Elohim made coats of skin for the man and his wife, and clothed them. (Gen 3.21)
 

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Job 38 is a review of creation and animal death BEFORE mankind even existed, as already shown in the context of sixteen verses.

Hardly out of context.

Deal with it...






Not even close.

Gen 2.17 mentions death would result in the day of eating the forbidden fruit, and both Adam & Eve lived hundreds of years AFTER they had partaken....thus, this did not mean physical death, but spiritual death.

Scripture speaks for itself.

Don't be afraid of it...
So, once again, you depend on your own intellectual opinion. You have no other historical support for your views. They originated from you which makes them false to begin with. The Gospel was given 2000 years ago and the meaning and understanding has been preserved from the beginning. No place have I ever run across your view point. You also espouse the teachings of the premillennialists regarding the resurrections. Another man made theory that even at this point has not jelled into a comprehensive concept. It actually never will because other men want to claim it for themselves with improved innovations.

As long as it was originated by a man it will continue to be changed by other men.
 

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Here, we have animal death occurring even BEFORE Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden...

And Yahweh Elohim made coats of skin for the man and his wife, and clothed them. (Gen 3.21)
Amazing, you have something correct but may still not understand it correctly.
The key is that it occurred AFTER Adam and Eve sinned, not before. Rom 8:20-22 also states that it was Adam, Adam'
s sin that subjected the world to corruption.

God did not create the world to be corrupt as you hold. Satan is the master of death. Death is his power, a power that Christ came to defeat.
 
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That would be the demons, not The Devil, as he is presently hamstrung...
So by your understanding he is bound now, gets released, gets bound again for 1,000 years, gets released again, and then thrown into the lake of fire.

What is your biblical proof for this ???
 

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Greetings Bowman

Looking for scriptural positions regarding if Satan is presently bound


The order of events leading up to Satan's binding is that the great tribulation must take place. During that time it is said that the dragon/Satan gives his power and his throne and great authority to the beast. This of course has not yet happened and that because the beast has not yet been revealed.

It is not until after the Lord returns to the earth to end the age as seen in Rev.19:11-21 that Satan is bound. John sees an angel coming down from heaven having the key to the Abyss, which will have remained opened since the fifth trumpet. At that time he will seize Satan and throw him into the Abyss and lock him in during the literal thousand year reign of Christ. Suffice to say, that thousand year period will not begin until after Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, which is obviously still furture. And before his return, the wrath of God must take place via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and those certainly haven't taken place.

Conclusion: Satan is still out an about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.
 
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So, once again, you depend on your own intellectual opinion. You have no other historical support for your views. They originated from you which makes them false to begin with.
I use scripture.

Keep running from it...




The Gospel was given 2000 years ago and the meaning and understanding has been preserved from the beginning. No place have I ever run across your view point.
You're a YEC....so your interpretation of scripture is as one that believes that the earth is only 6K years old!

A long as you are bound to thinking in such short periods of time, you will forever have an incorrect interpretation of BOTH the world and scripture.






You also espouse the teachings of the premillennialists regarding the resurrections. Another man made theory that even at this point has not jelled into a comprehensive concept. It actually never will because other men want to claim it for themselves with improved innovations.

As long as it was originated by a man it will continue to be changed by other men.
No.

Nor can you demonstrate scripturally otherwise.
 
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Amazing, you have something correct but may still not understand it correctly.
The key is that it occurred AFTER Adam and Eve sinned, not before. Rom 8:20-22 also states that it was Adam, Adam'
s sin that subjected the world to corruption.
Job, then oldest book of the Bible, clearly shows animal death BEFORE the fall.

You can't scripturally prove otherwise.

Period.



God did not create the world to be corrupt as you hold. Satan is the master of death. Death is his power, a power that Christ came to defeat.
Satan was defeated at The Second Death.
 
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So by your understanding he is bound now, gets released, gets bound again for 1,000 years, gets released again, and then thrown into the lake of fire.

What is your biblical proof for this ???
Not exactly...

We are in the '1,000 year' period of reign right now.

Satan is currently bound.

Satan will be released for a short period after the present '1,000 year' period....of which, the end will come because he has regained unbridled authority to possess the leaders of nations.