Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

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Is The Earth Flat Or Round?


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Webers.Home

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Are you sure they weren't just reversing a take-off clip?

Blue Origin's vehicle didn't return to its launch pad, rather, it came down on
a target somewhere in the desert. And that wasn't Blue Origin's first attempt
to recover a booster right side up. They have a track record. Besides; that
would've been a very difficult hoax to pull off with the whole world watching.

* You see now; this is one my pet peeves with Flatters and Concavers. They
have a really bad habit of discounting perfectly credible witnesses and
evidences.
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kinda

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I like that. (y)


They should have named their little movie "Tower of Babel II" :alien:
They actually called the rocket going to the moon, Apollo. Apollo was a pagan god.

Who was Apollo?

"Apollo[a] is one of the Olympian deities in classical Greek and Roman religion and Greek and Roman mythology. The national divinity of the Greeks, Apollo has been recognized as a god of archery, music and dance, truth and prophecy, healing and diseases, the Sun and light, poetry, and more. One of the most important and complex of the Greek gods, he is the son of Zeus and Leto, and the twin brother of Artemis, goddess of the hunt. Seen as the most beautiful god and the ideal of the kouros (ephebe, or a beardless, athletic youth), Apollo is considered to be the most Greek of all the gods.[citation needed] Apollo is known in Greek-influenced Etruscan mythology as Apulu.[2] "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo

Apollo 11 - Apollo 17 were the moon landing mission rocket names. From 1969-1972

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missions_to_the_Moon

All moon landing missions were under Richard Nixon, when he was president. In 1974, Richard Nixon resigned, and no man has landed on the moon since.

Eugene Cernan was the last man on the moon, which happened on December 12, 1972. Over 50 years ago.

No other person from any country has been on the moon since, according to NBC news.

https://www.nbcnews.com/slideshow/12-men-who-walked-moon-n707951





Bill Kaysing said, that the odds of a successful moon landing were calculated at .0014%, or something really close to this. The reason for so low odds were due to solar flares, micrometorites, and other variables. The video can be found on youtube and other places, not gonna look for it now. With these odds, if 1,000 missions were performed during a ten year period, only 1 mission would possibly be successful.

All 7 Apollo moon landings were successful during 1969-1972. This bunked the odds to say the least, or it never happened. It's entirely your choice to decide what happened.
 

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This bunked the odds to say the least, or it never happened. It's entirely
your choice to decide what happened.

Never underestimate the KJB. Had the moon landings been a hoax, they'd
know by now. Heck, the Ruskies even had assets working at Los Alamos
during development of the first atom bombs.
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Never underestimate the KJB. Had the moon landings been a hoax, they'd
know by now. Heck, the Ruskies even had assets working at Los Alamos
during development of the first atom bombs.
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It really looks like Russia/Soviet Union have been working together with the U.S., in the space program for some time.

"On May 24, 1972, Nixon approved a five-year cooperative program between NASA and the Soviet space program, culminating in the 1975 joint mission of an American Apollo and Soviet Soyuz spacecraft linking in space".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon

"November 20, 1998. The first segment of the ISS launches: The Zarya Control Module launched aboard a Russian Proton rocket from Baikonur Cosmodrome, Kazakhstan. Zarya (translates to "sunrise") supplied fuel storage, battery power and rendezvous and docking capability for Soyuz and Progress space vehicles".

https://www.issnationallab.org/about/iss-timeline/#:~:text=November 20, 1998,Soyuz and Progress space vehicles.

"A US astronaut and two Russian cosmonauts have arrived safely at the International Space Station (ISS) after blasting off on a Russian-operated flight in a rare instance of cooperation between Moscow and Washington".

https://www.theguardian.com/science...monauts-arrive-at-international-space-station

"A proposed Russian mission to the moon will include verifying whether US astronauts really landed there in 1969, the head of Russia's Roscosmos space agency said in a video posted on Twitter on Saturday.

"We have set this objective to fly and verify whether they've been there or not," Dmitry Rogozin said in the video.

However, Rogozin appeared to be joking in his answer to a corresponding question, although conspiracy theories about NASA's lunar missions are rife in Russia.

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International cooperation

Russia plans to send the first cosmonauts to the moon in the early 2030s. The Soviet Union dropped its lunar program in the mid-1970s after four experimental rockets exploded.

The cosmonauts are to remain on the moon for 14 days."

https://www.dw.com/en/russia-wants-to-check-truth-of-1969-us-moon-landing/a-46441264


"Why do 76% of Russians refuse to believe that the Americans were on the Moon?

The Russian embrace of this conspiracy theory dates to the publication of Yury Mukhin's book, Anti-Apollo: Lunar Scam of the USA. The author claims that money allocated for the lunar program was allegedly stolen, while the lunar landing scenes were shot by Stanley Kubrick, the director behind the cult film, 2001: A Space Odyssey. Moreover, according to Mukhin, Soviet communists and some Soviet scientists were part of the conspiracy, for the sake of certain profits, of course.

But the 'the great American lie' would hardly have gained so much currency in Russia had it not found support among more reputable individuals and the media."


https://www.rbth.com/lifestyle/329840-russians-refuse-apollo-11

This website pretty much answers all the conspiracy moon landing hoax main talking points. Whether or not you accept them, is up to each individual, but I think it's important to understand each sides point of view.

As far as the van allen radiation belts answer, get ready for this....

"They insulated the spacecraft from radiation with an aluminium shell. And they chose a trajectory from the Earth to the Moon which minimised the amount of time spent in the Van Allen belts."

https://www.iop.org/explore-physics/moon/how-do-we-know-we-went-to-the-moon#gref

Personally, I would like to do some follow up questions regarding this trajectory, and how this aluminium shell protected them. The answer doesn't add up to me, but at least we know why people don't accept the moon hoax as valid.

https://www.iop.org/explore-physics/moon/how-do-we-know-we-went-to-the-moon#gref
 

kinda

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That wouldn't exactly lend credence to them either. :rolleyes::unsure::confused:
You mean he resigned, due to possible corruption charges?!?!

Nothing to see her folks! lol

Seems like some would like to deny us that choice. :(
All the censorship that has be going on, seems to back up your statement.
 

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Compare the video clip in this youtube video of NASA saying, "we must solve these challenges, before we send people through this region of space". This is referring to the challenges of Van Allen Radiation Belts, by a NASA spokes person.

You can fast forward the video to the 2 minute and 50 second mark, to que the NASA spokesperson.


This is supposedly the official answer from, Physical Society of London and the Institute of Physics. So, this appears to be from an official source, with regards to the moon mission and the Van Allen Radiation Belts.

"They insulated the spacecraft from radiation with an aluminium shell. And they chose a trajectory from the Earth to the Moon which minimised the amount of time spent in the Van Allen belts."

https://www.iop.org/explore-physics/moon/how-do-we-know-we-went-to-the-moon#gref


Why don't they just use an aluminium shell and choose a trajectory which decreases the amount of time spent in the Van Allen belts?

To me, this is the silver bullet on why the moon landings never happened. Has aluminium disappeard from earth, or is there no way the trajectory can be repeated, due to Richard Nixon not being president?



The video below says, the moon landing was filed at Cannon Airforce Base in New Mexico. Maybe it should be called the New Mexico Moon Landing?

https://rumble.com/v1kh81z-moon-landing-hoax-deathbed-confession-2022.html


Final point about technology and the double shadows.

 

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FAQ: Why haven't the Russians gone to the Moon?

REPLY: The whole business was a race. Once America got there, the race
was over and the Ruskies turned their attention to rovers and the
international space station.

* Speaking of rovers, USA landed a really cool helicopter rover on Mars back
in Feb of 2021 called Ingenuity. That was special because the Martian
atmosphere is less dense than Earth's so the little chopper has to work
smarter to stay up.
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I had always sensed something magical in and about that man. :sneaky:;)
Nixon was from Orange County, California, maybe that was it?!?!

I actually went to the Nixon Library/Museum or whatever it was, and liked it.


:eek: Everyone should see this video. NASA actually says they forgot how to do it! :oops:... o_O
Did they forget how to do it, or did they destroy the technology? Maybe they forgot to destroy it, and it's hiding underneath an alien space craft at Area 51? lol
 

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GOD didn't correct Scripture Writers on firmament or a flat earth because if those were announced in The Bible ...everyone would know It is True. they wouldn't have Free Will to ignore it.
I would suggest that 'everyone' seems to have no problem at all ignoring everything [else] that is in the Bible... ;)
 

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So, here is Dr. Carl Baugh explaining how it makes sense, that their was a glass sky (firmament) 11 miles above ground, before Noah's flood.

Maybe this explains why, we don't live as long. It's an interesting perspective.


 

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Yes - absolutely!

God says the earth is motionless/stationary - and, I believe it!

God says the earth is sitting on pillars - and, I believe it!

(Shall I go on, or has my point been made?)

Now - how about you...???
God says [one day] the stars will fall from heaven - and, I believe it!

Matthew 24:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mark 13:

25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

This is not allegorical/figurative/metaphorical/etc. - it is quite literal.

Again...

The real question is - are you willing to believe what God said?
 

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Just thinking about this idea of Pillars, since it seems to be a big deal by flat earthers, so let's take a look at this more closely.

I don't think anyone is questioning stars, well, at least haven't seen it yet.

Now as far as the Pillars of the Earth, let's examine that a little more shall we?

"The pillar is the bridge between HEAVEN and EARTH, the vertical axis which both unites and divides these two realms. It is closely connected to the symbolism of the TREE; it also represents stability, and a broken pillar represents death and mortality. In the Hebrew and Christian traditions, pillars of FIRE and smoke signify the presence of God, and God punished Lot by changing his wife into a pillar of salt."

http://websites.umich.edu/~umfandsf... bridge,pillar represents death and mortality.

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Here are some Pillars.

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If we are going literal, maybe it's possible that the Pillars are the firmament? Let's look a little deeper maybe...



He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them. 1 Samuel 2:8

If God used literal pillars to hold the earth, why did God say, He hangs the earth on nothing?

What does hang mean?

Hang - If something hangs in a high place or position, or if you hang it there, it is attached there so it does not touch the ground.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/hang

How is the earth hanging?

Job 26:7

7 He stretches out the north over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing.


If the earth hangs on nothing, and to hang something means it doesn't touch the ground, than what are the pillars for, if the pillars are holding the earth up? If the earth is held up literally by pillars, why would God, mention that the earth hangs on nothing?

My personal opinion, it would give more glory to God, if the earth is suspended by God's might, which would be invisible to the naked eye.

Or maybe you look at it, the earth hangs on nothing, because it's supported by literal pillars?!?! That would be a stretch in my opinion.

Why do I say that?

Let's look at some verses before after 1 Samuel 2:8, and before.

6 The Lord killeth and maketh alive: bringeth down to the grave and raiseth up.

7 The Lord maketh poor and maketh rich: bringeth low, and exalteth.

8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among [g]princes, and to make them inherit the seat of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the [h]Lord’s, and he hath set the world upon them.

9 He will keep the feet of his Saints, and the wicked shall keep silence in darkness: for in his own might shall no man be strong.

10 The Lord’s adversaries shall be destroyed, and out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the Lord shall judge the ends of the world, and shall give power unto his [i]King, and exalt the horn of his Anointed.


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+samuel+2&version=GNV


All things considered above it's possible that it could literally mean, that the pillars are holding the earth stationary, but it's unlikely in my mind.

Why do I think it's unlikely? Well, have you read the verses around 1 Samuel 2:8?

This would be my conclusion, feel free to express your beliefs...

After looking at the verses before and after 1 Samuel 2:8, it looks like the verse is referring to how God is in control, and raises the beggar, or lowly person of the earth to glory, and the high places of the earth are the Lord's, and God's ways have set how the world operates.

Here is what the commentary concluded on biblehub...

"For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s — The foundations which God created and upholds, and wherewith he sustains the earth and all its inhabitants, as a house is supported with pillars.

These words signify the reason of all that is contained in the five preceding verses. For the very earth being founded, upheld, and supported by the Lord, it is no wonder that all the inhabitants of it are in his power, so that he can dispose of them as he pleases. "

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_samuel/2-8.htm

I think my conclusion pretty much echoes what the commentary says, on biblehub.com.

If you have a different opinion on what 1 Samuel 2-8 means, please share....

Here is 1 Samuel 2-8 in one of my favorite Bible Translations, because it's so easy to understand. I think it helps in this situation, to bring understanding of what the Bible says...


1 Samuel 2:8

New Living Translation



8 He lifts the poor from the dust
and the needy from the garbage dump.
He sets them among princes,
placing them in seats of honor.
For all the earth is the Lord’s,
and he has set the world in order.
 

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If we are going literal, maybe it's possible that the Pillars are the firmament?
Genesis 1:

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Does this help clarify...?
 

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Genesis 1:

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Does this help clarify...?

The statement was regarding 1 Samuel 2:8, but there is no argument regarding class sky Gary.

Concave Hollow Earth Theory seems to point to two or three glass skies.

I have realized that Concave Hollow Earth has things in common with both the Flat Earth and the Globe.

Things in common with Flat Earth: Stationary earth, mobile sun/moon/stars, and glass sky. There seems to be a lot of similar thinking in the stationary earth and the proofs, that support the sun moving.

Things in common with the Globe: Round earth, mobile moon, same circumference, and Concave Hollow Earth is really just a reverse engineered perspective. That's why it's such a naughty one to argue against, plus Cellular Cosmology is less theorizing, and more analyzing.

I like to think the Concave Hollow Earth shares all the good from both the Flat Earth thinking and Globe Earth, and makes it all work out smooth. Concave Hollow Earth is the only that makes sense in both observation and a Biblical perspective.
 

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I don't quite understand this experiment, but this seems to be used to prove a stationary earth.

Who can break this down? I might have to watch like 5 times, before I get it. lol



Here is another video, that should be worth watching, if you believe the earth is stationary.

 

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The video was not edited, other than that irrelevant parts to the point were removed, so people with limited time could see this is something Buzz Aldrin said, without getting caught up in the uninteresting noise. From about 7:00...

The girl said "Why has nobody been to the moon in such a long time?"

Buzz Aldrin replied "That's not an 8-year-old's question. That's my question. I want to know. But I think I know. Because we didn't go there. That's the way it happened. And if it didn't happen it's nice to know why it didn't happen so in the future if we want to keep doing something we need to know why something stopped in the past if we want to keep it going."

I repeat - Buzz Aldrin admitted he did not go to the moon. If he didn't go to the moon, but NASA claim there was a moon landing, the only logical conclusion to be drawn is that the moon landing was faked. Buzz couldn't say it outright, because that's the sort of thing astro-nots from NASA have been killed for in the past. Nonetheless, he admitted that he didn't go to the moon.
THE VIDEO IS FAKE.