Is the false teaching of pre-tribulation rapture, getting the power of "him" out of the way, who restrains the antichrist?

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Nehemiah6

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Sure but we are saved by the blood of Jesus...not the blood of Joshua...the blood of Yeshua...you get the picture.
JESUS = YESHUA = YEHOSHUA = YAHSHUA = JOSHUA

YAH + SHUA = GOD IS OUR SALVATION
"FOR HE SHALL SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS"
 

Lisamn

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JESUS = YESHUA = YEHOSHUA = YAHSHUA = JOSHUA

YAH + SHUA = GOD IS OUR SALVATION
"FOR HE SHALL SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS"
Sure but there is no other name under heaven that one must be saved...Jesus.

Acts‬ ‭4:10, 12‬ ‭
Let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by this name this man stands here before you in good health.

And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.
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Ahwatukee

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Sure but we are saved by the blood of Jesus...not the blood of Joshua...the blood of Yeshua...you get the picture.
No! They are the same names for the same person who shed His blood, i.e. we are saved by the blood of Yeshua, Iésous or Jesus.
 

Lisamn

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No! They are the same names for the same person who shed His blood, i.e. we are saved by the blood of Yeshua, Iésous or Jesus.
Like I said...you aren’t saved by Joshua’s blood. Or Yeshua’s blood. I get what you are saying in theory. But its by the name and blood of Jesus that we are saved.
 

Nehemiah6

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Sure but there is no other name under heaven that one must be saved...Jesus.
Had that been written in Hebrew it would say "Yeshua". "Jesus" is the English equivalent of the Greek IESOUS.
 

Lisamn

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Had that been written in Hebrew it would say "Yeshua". "Jesus" is the English equivalent of the Greek IESOUS.
My Bible is written in English...and I dare say all Bibles say Jesus anyway.
 

Ahwatukee

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Like I said...you aren’t saved by Joshua’s blood. Or Yeshua’s blood. I get what you are saying in theory. But its by the name and blood of Jesus that we are saved.
Yes, I am! And so is everyone else. It's the same person spoken of in a different language.

There is no need to be so rigid about this.
 

BenjaminN

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Like I said...you aren’t saved by Joshua’s blood. Or Yeshua’s blood. I get what you are saying in theory. But its by the name and blood of Jesus that we are saved.
Is it not arrogant to say that only Englishmen can be saved?
 

Lisamn

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Yes, I am! And so is everyone else. It's the same person spoken of in a different language.

There is no need to be so rigid about this.
You are saved by Joshua’s blood? What?

I suppose you also think Jehovah is a name of God?
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Virgins are pure and undefiled.

Born again believers.

Bride of Christ.

What say you?
I say it's one of 3 parables none of which has a bride character.
And we should take the whole counsel of scripture, Genesis to Revelation. All of prophecy.

Stop promoting a doctrine over scripture.
There is no bride without the remnant of Israel and the whole body of Christ.
The bride includes all those who die during the tribulation. No bride can be ready before the end.

A final period of intense persecution against Israel & the ekklesia (his beloved) is the catalyst for final judgement on the Earth.
It can't be removed from the prophetic picture.
 

BenjaminN

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I think you have to get the name right.
Are you gonna force all the Christ Yeshua saved Hebrew Israelites, to call our Jewish Messiah by your english tongue, you know Christ Yeshua by? You may call Christ Yeshua - Jesus Christ, I prefer Christ Yeshua (in my mother's tongue Christus Jesus), live and let live. This is not the spirit of Christ that wants to exclude tongues, and force others to conform to your culture, it is the spirit of total control.

Revelation 5 (New King James Version)

9And they sang a new song, saying:

“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10And have made [d]us kings[e] and priests to our God;
And [f]we shall reign on the earth.”
 

Lisamn

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Are you gonna force all the Christ Yeshua saved Hebrew Israelites, to call our Jewish Messiah by your english tongue, you know Christ Yeshua by? You may call Christ Yeshua - Jesus Christ, I prefer Christ Yeshua (in my mother's tongue Christus Jesus), live and let live. This is not the spirit of Christ that wants to exclude tongues, and force others to conform to your culture, it is the spirit of total control.

Revelation 5 (New King James Version)

9And they sang a new song, saying:

“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10And have made [d]us kings[e] and priests to our God;
And [f]we shall reign on the earth.”
I’m not forcing anyone...but I do believe that the right name to be saved with is the name of Jesus.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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My Bible is written in English...and I dare say all Bibles say Jesus anyway.
It didn't start out in English. There is nothing wrong with calling him Jesus but Jesus is derived from the original Hebrew pronunciation of the name. The name has meaning and his name identifies him as YHVH's provision of salvation.
 

Ahwatukee

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You are saved by Joshua’s blood? What?

I suppose you also think Jehovah is a name of God?
Yes, because Jesus is Joshua in Hebrew and Iesous is Greek for Jesus in the English.

If you were reading the same texts in either Hebrew or Greek, the name used would not be Jesus, but either of those listed above. It just a different way of saying the same name in a different language.
 

Lisamn

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Yes, because Jesus is Joshua in Hebrew and Iesous is Greek for Jesus in the English.

If you were reading the same texts in either Hebrew or Greek, the name used would not be Jesus, but either of those listed above. It just a different way of saying the same name in a different language.
My name is Lisa...apparently its the short form of Elizabeth..

Lisa was originally a short form of Elisabeth.
http://www.namenerds.com/uucn/international/Elizabeth.html

However...my name is Lisa not Elizabeth. I wouldn’t go by Elizabeth..never have and I wouldn’t answer if someone called to me using Elizabeth.
 

BenjaminN

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Is it not arrogant to say that only Englishmen can be saved?
I think you have to get the name right.
Are you gonna force all the Christ Yeshua saved Hebrew Israelites, to call our Jewish Messiah by your english tongue, you know Christ Yeshua by? You may call Christ Yeshua - Jesus Christ, I prefer Christ Yeshua (in my mother's tongue Christus Jesus), live and let live. This is not the spirit of Christ that wants to exclude tongues, and force others to conform to your culture, it is the spirit of total control.

Revelation 5 (New King James Version)

9And they sang a new song, saying:

“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10And have made [d]us kings[e] and priests to our God;
And [f]we shall reign on the earth.”
I’m not forcing anyone...but I do believe that the right name to be saved with is the name of Jesus.
? :unsure:
 

Ahwatukee

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My name is Lisa...apparently its the short form of Elizabeth..


http://www.namenerds.com/uucn/international/Elizabeth.html

However...my name is Lisa not Elizabeth. I wouldn’t go by Elizabeth..never have and I wouldn’t answer if someone called to me using Elizabeth.
That wouldn't be how your name is said in another language. Your example is a short version of the same English name. I'm talking about the same name spoken in a different language, which the case between Yeshua, Iesous and Jesus, Hebrew, Greek and English.

However, this is not something that needs to be debated. You are free to stick with the English version of Jesus if you want. What is important is knowing that they are all the same name for the same person. The Son of God. The One who shed His blood.

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Pilate also had a notice posted on the cross. It read:


JESUS OF NAZARETH,
THE KING OF THE JEWS.
Many of the Jews read this sign, because the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and it was written in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek. So the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews,’ but only that He said, ‘I am the King of the Jews.’”
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Now, since the notice was written in Hebrew, Latin and Greek, do you think that in each posting that the name 'Jesus' was used in each language? No, it would not! The Hebrew version would have used 'Yeshua/Jehoshua ' and the Greek 'Iesous' and Latin would have been IESVS.
 

Lisamn

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It’s not me forcing anyone though is it? If there is no other name under heaven to be saved by than the name of Jesus..its God saying that’s the way it is.
 

BenjaminN

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My name is Lisa...apparently its the short form of Elizabeth..


http://www.namenerds.com/uucn/international/Elizabeth.html

However...my name is Lisa not Elizabeth. I wouldn’t go by Elizabeth..never have and I wouldn’t answer if someone called to me using Elizabeth.
(Yokhanan hamatbil), which means, "John the dunker", John the Baptist's mother's Hebrew name was Elizabeth. Elizabeth is originally a Hebrew name, like Benjamin. Elizabeth and Benjamin are originally Hebrew names. Jesus' original Hebrew name is Yeshua, not the English translation Jesus.