Is the Holy Spirit a distinct divine Person?

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Fundaamental

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Oh it's a question ❓

Is the holy spirit a distinct devine person

Followed by absolutely yes.

This isn't a question it's a statement then followed by an argument of the holy spirit has many names ?

Followed by the holy spirit is one person.

Followed by critics of denominational faiths.

Followed by the holy spirit is one person ?

Which one is it one person or a distinct devine person ?.

Do you want to argue with this ?

This is total confusion.
 

Pilgrimshope

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The short answer is “Absolutely”. But He has many names and titles because He has many different ministries. He is introduced to us right at the beginning of the Bible as “the Spirit of God”. And He is found throughout the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. So why does everyone not simply believe that He is God the Holy Spirit? Two reasons (a) Satanic deception and (b) willful blindness.

In the Bible He is called “the Spirit”, “the Holy Spirit”, “the Spirit of God”, “the Spirit of Holiness”, “the Spirit of Truth”, ”the Comforter”, or “the Paraclete”, as well as “the Holy Ghost”.

How did He come to be called “the Holy Ghost”? It would appear that since Martin Luther’s German translation came into existence long before the King James Bible, it did have an influence on the English translation. The German equivalent for “spirit” is “geist” which translates into “ghost”. So it is perfectly accurate to call the Holy Spirit “the Holy Ghost”. Unfortunately the KJV translators failed to consistently capitalize “Holy Spirit” or “Spirit” (where applicable). When it is God the Holy Spirit, it is necessary to capitalize those words, so that there is no misunderstanding.

But how do we know that He is God? Because He has all the attributes of God according to Scripture. Indeed He is the Author of Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16,17; 2 Peter 1:19-21)

Is He a Person who can be vexed? But they rebelled, and vexed his Holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. (Isa 63:10)

Is He a Person who can be lied to? But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Is He a Person who can be grieved? And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.(Eph 4:30)

Is He a Person who can lead another person? And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness (Luke 4:1)

Is He a Person who can cause men to speak foreign languages supernaturally? And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance (Acts 2:4)

Is He a Person who can reveal spiritual truths to men? Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit (Eph 3:5)

One could write a dissertation on the Holy Spirit, but this is more than enough to establish the truth about God the Holy Spirit.
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬

The spirit of Jesus Christ is one

“searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them ( the old testsment prophets ) did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The holy spirit is not independent from the father and son it is the spirit of Jesus manifest in the gospel

“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The spirit of God is the holt spirit , the spirit of Christ the spirit of Gods son

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The holy spirit is Gods spirit its the spirit of Christ the same spirit in believers

“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s just one spirit because there’s just one God and it’s his spirit shared with believers

“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:4-6‬

the holy spirit , Jesus the son and God th father aren’t independent of one another the father is in heaven the sin came to earth and the spirit is in the hearts of believers

It’s how God is filling creation by giving us his living spirit the same spirit that feels in Christ the man who is the spirit

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:17‬

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬
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Nehemiah6

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The spirit of Jesus Christ is one
What exactly are you trying to promote? MODALISM?

You cannot walk away from the fact that the Bible presents the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as THREE distinct divine persons, yet one God (1 John 5:7 KJV). And none of those Scriptures you quoted contradict this truth. So what do we have?

GOD THE FATHER IS NEITHER THE SON NOR THE HOLY SPIRIT
GOD THE SON IS NEITHER THE FATHER NOR THE HOLY SPIRIT
GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NEITHER THE FATHER NOR THE SON

There are tons of Scripture to support these truth. And anything that appears to contradict them needs to be carefully exegeted. Who said anything about "independent"? that is your own spin on the truth.
 

GRACE_ambassador

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The Divine Nature of God can not be fully explained or comprehended. So, we must be reverent, and humble when speaking Of the Holy Spirit who is God.
Amen! As He Is The Blessed One, Who Doubly 'Humbled' Himself To "Be Sent" By:

Both The Father And The SON! (John 14:26, 15:26)

What A Marvelous Example for All growing believers, eh?

Amen.
 

GRACE_ambassador

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Fundaamental

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What exactly are you trying to promote? MODALISM?

You cannot walk away from the fact that the Bible presents the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as THREE distinct divine persons, yet one God (1 John 5:7 KJV). And none of those Scriptures you quoted contradict this truth. So what do we have?

GOD THE FATHER IS NEITHER THE SON NOR THE HOLY SPIRIT
GOD THE SON IS NEITHER THE FATHER NOR THE HOLY SPIRIT
GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NEITHER THE FATHER NOR THE SON

There are tons of Scripture to support these truth. And anything that appears to contradict them needs to be carefully exegeted. Who said anything about "independent"? that is your own spin on the truth.
still a question or now an argument 🤔

Condemning a brother with modalism who knows Gods word

Then shouting at him with caps.

I will never understand Christians who argue about the holy spirit then use the holy spirit to name call people.

I feel very disrespected by this behaviour 😕
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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still a question or now an argument 🤔

Condemning a brother with modalism who knows Gods word

Then shouting at him with caps.

I will never understand Christians who argue about the holy spirit then use the holy spirit to name call people.

I feel very disrespected by this behaviour 😕

If you knew the Word you'd believe in the trinity.
 

Fundaamental

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If you knew the Word you'd believe in the trinity.
if you new the word you would not assume people don't know Jesus because they don't understand the trinity.

Thats another argument have you woke up yet
 

Fundaamental

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We're talking about you. Do you not understand the trinity?
I see a bird on top of the shed,

And it's a parrot

I ask the parrot

Do you understand the trinity

And the parrot says

Do you understand the trinity.

Surprisingly I come back the next day

And the parrot says do you understand the trinity.

Anyway this goes on for a whole month until one day I say change the tune.

Surprisingly the parrot says God bless America

https://youtube.com/shorts/tBpsYTYVTxQ?feature=share
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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I see a bird on top of the shed,

And it's a parrot

I ask the parrot

Do you understand the trinity

And the parrot says

Do you understand the trinity.

Surprisingly I come back the next day

And the parrot says do you understand the trinity.

Anyway this goes on for a whole month until one day I say change the tune.

Surprisingly the parrot says God bless America

https://youtube.com/shorts/tBpsYTYVTxQ?feature=share
I do not agree with you at all, but that was a funny response.
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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#36
Jesus has taught us that He and the Father are One, not two.
Actually, Jesus taught both, and you are greatly misunderstanding the first one.

John 8:17-18

"It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me."

Two witnesses.

Jesus.

The Father.

They are not the same person.

As far as Jesus and the Father being one is concerned, Jesus said:

John 17:20-23

"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."

Jesus prayed that we would be one, even as he and the Father are one.

Do you believe that Jesus was praying that you would be God?

With your current belief in "oneness", you would need to.

The good news is that your current belief is wrong.

Jesus and the Father are "one" in the sense of unity or in that they never work independently of one another.
 

Fundaamental

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Actually, Jesus taught both, and you are greatly misunderstanding the first one.

John 8:17-18

"It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me."

Two witnesses.

Jesus.

The Father.

They are not the same person.

As far as Jesus and the Father being one is concerned, Jesus said:

John 17:20-23

"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."

Jesus prayed that we would be one, even as he and the Father are one.

Do you believe that Jesus was praying that you would be God?

With your current belief in "oneness", you would need to.

The good news is that your current belief is wrong.

Jesus and the Father are "one" in the sense of unity or in that they never work independently of one another.
actually you are greatly only speaking of what you do know to reject what you don't.
 

jb

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#38
Did a bit of a blog on this, you can find it Here
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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#39
In the Bible He is called “the Spirit”, “the Holy Spirit”, “the Spirit of God”, “the Spirit of Holiness”, “the Spirit of Truth”, ”the Comforter”, or “the Paraclete”, as well as “the Holy Ghost”.
He is also called "the Spirit of Christ" (Rom. 8:9, 1 Pet. 1:11) and "the Spirit of grace" (Heb. 10:29).
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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I think that you mean the virgin birth. The immaculate conception is a false teaching about Mary allegedly being immaculately conceived free from original sin.

You're correct, I was writing early this morning and even looked up the word, incarnation was what was in my mind how I got immaculate instead of incarnation I don't know. Thank you for correcting that. I need to make sure I'm fully awake before I post. smh