Is The Human Body An Evil In Itself?

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Kaycie

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No, Jesus never sinned, and He was in an earthly body. The body itself is not evil, but sinning in order to please the flesh is.
 

Atwood

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No, Jesus never sinned, and He was in an earthly body. The body itself is not evil, but sinning in order to please the flesh is.
What do you think "flesh" means when it refers to the source of evil in man? the physical body? It is a figure of speech for the old adamic human nature, not physical tissue. The flesh lusts vs the Spirit. The Works of the flesh are not merely physical matters (Galatians 5). Sin dwells in the "flesh" (Romans 7); but the body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit. In me, that is in my flesh, dwells no good thing. (Rom 7) The mind of the flesh is enmity against God. (Rom 8)

Pleasing one's body is not evil. No man ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes & cherishes it -- quite properly so (Ephesians 5).
 

WebersHome

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Rm 7:25 summarizes 7:7-24. That mind was Saul's own, 'good,' mind, with
his will to do the good, 7:21.
Paul's mind was produced by a three-pound lump of flesh in his head. Seeing
as how no good thing dwelled in Paul's flesh, then according to Rom 7:18,
the mind that Paul's three-pound lump of flesh produced was not a good mind.

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No, Jesus never sinned, and He was in an earthly body. The body itself is not evil, but sinning in order to please the flesh is.
Just remember JESUS wasn't born with a sinful nature passed down from Adam
 
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flob

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Paul's mind was produced by a three-pound lump of flesh in his head. Seeing
as how no good thing dwelled in Paul's flesh, then according to Rom 7:18,
the mind that Paul's three-pound lump of flesh produced was not a good mind.
Soul and body are closely related. But distinct. 1 Thes 5:23. The 'mind of the flesh is death,
the mind of the spirit is life and peace.' We're tripartite, 3 basic parts. Sin dwells in my flesh,
however mysterious that is, and influences my soul. As an unbeliever, our spirit is dormant,
empty, dead. You're right that there is none good but God.
But Paul used the word 'good' in Romans 7. The anti-source, the tree of knowledge of good and
evil, knows good and evil, but is not God. So there's a difference between knowing and being.
Saul (and I) know what is good, even know what the law what is of God. The problem is in being
it. We can't be it. So we have to mind the spirit in Romans 8. Because it not only can be good
('the righteous requirement of the law is fulfilled in those who walk according to the spirit'),
it is 'God.' Mingled with God. Romans 8:16, 10; 1 Cor 6:17
 

WebersHome

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Christian faith accepts what's revealed to it rather than believing only what
makes sense to it. For instance: the human body is revealed not as innocent
flesh; rather: as sinful flesh.

†. Rom 8:3 . . God, sending His own son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and
as an offering for sin, condemned sin in the flesh,

It's curious that so many people seem to think that the human body is
benign. No; the human body is quite toxic. It's mankind's own worst enemy.

†. Rom 7:22-23 . . For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but
I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and
bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

If people rise from the dead with the same body to face justice at the Great
White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15, they will be right back to
square one facing God in sinful flesh as slaves to the law of sin in their
members. Not good.

†. Rom 7:18 . . I know that within me (that is: within my flesh) dwelleth no
good thing.

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It appears from Rom 8:3 that my body is sinful. I certainly had no choice in
that; nor am I aware of what it is about my body that's sinful. But even if I
knew; there's probably nothing I can do about it anyway. I mean: my body
has a number of automatic functions over which I have no control; and
that's counting the 3-pound lump of flabby organic tissue housed within my
bony little skull sufficing for a mind. How am I supposed to cure the
sinfulness of a flabby lump without destroying the mind it produces?

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I don't think the body is a sin. I think he is referring to us.