Is the law a blessing or a curse?
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The law does not tell you what sin it, It exposes certain sins, in an attempt to prove all are under sin, that all may be made alive. For all have sinned.
Sin is anything done in the flesh. Anything done for the means of self. It is looking inward and not outward.
Jesus never sinned not because he followed the law of moses. But because he followed the law of God, which we now call the law of Christ....
1. Love the lord you got with all your heart mind and soul
2. Love your neighbor
In these two commands are ALL of the law
These are the only two commands you need to look at.
When you do something Did you do it in love of others, Or did you do it for self. You see, Two people can do the exact same thing, (example give to the poor) Yet one person does it in sin, and the other produces fruit. The law can not tell you this. The law would state both have done a righteous deed, and in effect neither were in sin. When this is not the case.
Thats why the law is not the means for sanctification or to show us what sin is, It was not made for that purpose.
It was made for one purpose only. To expose we are sinners and show the need for Christ. Because no one can look to the law with honesty and claim they have kept it from birth. (a few deceived people like pharisees watered down the law and thought they kept it. Because they failed to see the truth of their inner flesh.
The law does not tell you what sin it, It exposes certain sins, in an attempt to prove all are under sin, that all may be made alive. For all have sinned.
Sin is anything done in the flesh. Anything done for the means of self. It is looking inward and not outward.
Jesus never sinned not because he followed the law of moses. But because he followed the law of God, which we now call the law of Christ....
1. Love the lord you got with all your heart mind and soul
2. Love your neighbor
In these two commands are ALL of the law
These are the only two commands you need to look at.
When you do something Did you do it in love of others, Or did you do it for self. You see, Two people can do the exact same thing, (example give to the poor) Yet one person does it in sin, and the other produces fruit. The law can not tell you this. The law would state both have done a righteous deed, and in effect neither were in sin. When this is not the case.
Thats why the law is not the means for sanctification or to show us what sin is, It was not made for that purpose.
It was made for one purpose only. To expose we are sinners and show the need for Christ. Because no one can look to the law with honesty and claim they have kept it from birth. (a few deceived people like pharisees watered down the law and thought they kept it. Because they failed to see the truth of their inner flesh.
Here is the Apostle Paul on the matter...
Philippians 3:4-9 (KJV) Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Galatians 2:19-21 (KJV) For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Philippians 3:4-9 (KJV) Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Galatians 2:19-21 (KJV) For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
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The truth of the law is what it is all about, and I am trying to give that truth on the net. It isn't only you, what we say is read by many. You say you have the truth and I am false, even though I give scripture. It is serious to make statements that are not true of scripture. It is scripture that we are to live in obedience, and over and over you seem to deny that truth, yet when I bring out this denial you say I am bearing false witness, and you are lily white, that you only speak truth and I am wrong to object.
I think you are trying to bring out that obedience consists of obedience to the spirit of the law, which is truth. If that is your aim, you have a very questionable way of saying this.
Often our Lord gives us a better way. Christ gave the written law a better way telling of the spirit of the law. But it was our Holy God who gave the law in stone, and to say it was not a holy God, but a mistake God made is not right to do. God gave us Christ in the flesh, a much better way, but it was our Holy God who gave blood on the altar for thousands of years for the forgiveness of sin. We are not to bad mouth God because God gives a better way, or accuse God of being all wrong when God gave the original way.
I think you are trying to bring out that obedience consists of obedience to the spirit of the law, which is truth. If that is your aim, you have a very questionable way of saying this.
Often our Lord gives us a better way. Christ gave the written law a better way telling of the spirit of the law. But it was our Holy God who gave the law in stone, and to say it was not a holy God, but a mistake God made is not right to do. God gave us Christ in the flesh, a much better way, but it was our Holy God who gave blood on the altar for thousands of years for the forgiveness of sin. We are not to bad mouth God because God gives a better way, or accuse God of being all wrong when God gave the original way.
The old law was bondage:
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Before faith, Jews such as Paul were under the law.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
But Jews that received that faith are no longer under the law!
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
And here we have it. This is applied to all, whether Jew or not because all are one in Christ and thus all who receive the faith and have put on Christ should not be under the law any further, as Paul was no longer.
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
Gal 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Gal 4:12 Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.
Gal 4:13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
Gal 4:15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.
Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Gal 4:17 They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them.
Gal 4:18 But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you.
Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Gal 4:20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.
Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
The subject of these verses is the law.
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
What came at Sinai? The law! And the law came as part of the Sinai Covenant! And that covenant which contained the law "gendereth to bondage" which means to "create bondage".
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
And thus we should be free and not be put in bondage by the old covenant and the law. Sin isn't even mentioned here so we cannot replace the law and the covenant with "sin" and alter Paul's concise words, context nor subject.
I know it's hard, maybe even impossible for some to accept this but it's in black and white.
Gal_4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
He says this because what he is talking about made him many enemies but it was only the truth.
Rom_10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Before faith, Jews such as Paul were under the law.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
But Jews that received that faith are no longer under the law!
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
And here we have it. This is applied to all, whether Jew or not because all are one in Christ and thus all who receive the faith and have put on Christ should not be under the law any further, as Paul was no longer.
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
Gal 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Gal 4:12 Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.
Gal 4:13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
Gal 4:15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.
Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Gal 4:17 They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them.
Gal 4:18 But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you.
Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Gal 4:20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.
Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
The subject of these verses is the law.
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
What came at Sinai? The law! And the law came as part of the Sinai Covenant! And that covenant which contained the law "gendereth to bondage" which means to "create bondage".
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
And thus we should be free and not be put in bondage by the old covenant and the law. Sin isn't even mentioned here so we cannot replace the law and the covenant with "sin" and alter Paul's concise words, context nor subject.
I know it's hard, maybe even impossible for some to accept this but it's in black and white.
Gal_4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
He says this because what he is talking about made him many enemies but it was only the truth.
Rom_10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
IF Paul meant the commandment to not murder as part of the old law, then yes absolutely, I disagree with Paul for that is not truth. Because Paul speaks truth, I look to what Paul means be the old law.
I spent months of many hours a day in study about this, for if it is a question about who is right, me or Paul, there is no question. Paul is of God, I am not given that gift, Paul's word aces my fleshly thinking. By the old law, Paul is referring to the commands given before the Holy Spirit was given to all, commands such as fleshly circumcision.
We need to go to Acts and study the meeting of Paul and James carefully to find the truth.
I spent months of many hours a day in study about this, for if it is a question about who is right, me or Paul, there is no question. Paul is of God, I am not given that gift, Paul's word aces my fleshly thinking. By the old law, Paul is referring to the commands given before the Holy Spirit was given to all, commands such as fleshly circumcision.
We need to go to Acts and study the meeting of Paul and James carefully to find the truth.
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i posted scripture which told you the truth about the law, as have many others
you ignore those scriptures which PLAINLY tell you what the purpose of the law is, and that the LAW bring a curse to all who try to follow it
then say it’s our own view
whatever.
you will never see, and for that I am sad
i posted scripture which told you the truth about the law, as have many others
you ignore those scriptures which PLAINLY tell you what the purpose of the law is, and that the LAW bring a curse to all who try to follow it
then say it’s our own view
whatever.
you will never see, and for that I am sad
You posted a scripture that says murder is OK, as murder is part of the old law. It is NOT the truth that murder is OK, so something is wrong with your post. Have you ever tried to find out what is wrong about your post? We know what Paul says is the truth, we know that murder is NOT OK, have you tried, ever, to solve this mystery? Think, for goodness sake. God gave you a mind to think with and gave us scripture that is truth.
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I posted no such thing
Maam you are a liar. I am calling you out You are a liar. Your doctrine is so weak all you can do is lie about what other people say, Because when it comes to truth, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY,
The law said CURSED IS ANYONE WHO DOES NOT CONFIRM AND OBEY EVERY WORD.
Murder would be breaking the law
hence murder would bring about the curse of the law. Which is spiritual death
WAKE UP!
Maam you are a liar. I am calling you out You are a liar. Your doctrine is so weak all you can do is lie about what other people say, Because when it comes to truth, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY,
The law said CURSED IS ANYONE WHO DOES NOT CONFIRM AND OBEY EVERY WORD.
Murder would be breaking the law
hence murder would bring about the curse of the law. Which is spiritual death
WAKE UP!
You posted that the old law is bondage. Part of the old law is "Do not murder". Is that bondage?
Paul pointed out that gentiles are not obliged to follow commands that were given to help people remember to obey the spirit of the law like cutting foreskin or control of diet. Paul said needing to obey those commands we denying the Holy Spirit all had been given. Many today say Paul meant the entire written law wasn't to be followed, although many of the written law helps us know what the spirit of the law is.
Paul pointed out that gentiles are not obliged to follow commands that were given to help people remember to obey the spirit of the law like cutting foreskin or control of diet. Paul said needing to obey those commands we denying the Holy Spirit all had been given. Many today say Paul meant the entire written law wasn't to be followed, although many of the written law helps us know what the spirit of the law is.
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Shaking my head, you do not listen to anything I say.
the burden of the law is keeping its if you murder your broke the law, which means you did not keep it..
but it’s not just murder, as James said, if you just stumble in one area, your guilty. you say I think ,under is ok or something?
my view of keeping the law is much more difficult than yours. If anyone is excusing sin it’s you!
the burden of the law is keeping its if you murder your broke the law, which means you did not keep it..
but it’s not just murder, as James said, if you just stumble in one area, your guilty. you say I think ,under is ok or something?
my view of keeping the law is much more difficult than yours. If anyone is excusing sin it’s you!