Is The Lent Period Necessary?
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Yes sorry but we just dont have those traditions. The 40 day fast is biblical but the ash bit goes against what Jesus said when you fast, wash your face and do it in secret. Matthew 6:16-18
Another thing is Jesus didnt command his disciples to fast with him. Its good to do though, but Jesus actually went into the wilderness to do it. He didnt make a big show of it in public. And he didnt ask the whole church to do it.
One thing we do observe, cos Jesus tells us to, is passover. Do you obeserve it? Thats what God had insituted as a perpetual memorial and reminder of freedom from bondage. If we are believers, we have been freed.
Another thing is Jesus didnt command his disciples to fast with him. Its good to do though, but Jesus actually went into the wilderness to do it. He didnt make a big show of it in public. And he didnt ask the whole church to do it.
One thing we do observe, cos Jesus tells us to, is passover. Do you obeserve it? Thats what God had insituted as a perpetual memorial and reminder of freedom from bondage. If we are believers, we have been freed.
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Also, since the catholic church has a long history of hiding pedophiles in its midst-should we encourage pastors of other denominations to molest children, and then try to hide these atrocities from the rest of the world? The large amount of child predators in this group is the main reason why many, many Native Americans are so anti-Christian. My mother and her cousins were abused by 'fathers' AND nuns.
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Where do you get this nonsense from?
French:
Mardi- Tuesday.
Gras- fat.
That is "Fat Tuesday" in English. It was the day to get rid of rich fat and eggs, so they were traditionally used to make Pancakes. Hence, Fat Tuesday is also Pancake or Shrove Tuesday!
Nothing Babylonian about it! Regardless of where you read it in the internet.
(I am fluent in French, and used to teach French immersion but you don't have to be a professional in French to figure this out!)
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1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
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With Catholisicim everything is a mystical sign gift to those who walk by sight in respect to a kingdom that comes by observation.
Lent has to do with mystical things that can cause a wonder as "false source of faith" .
Its part of their way of creating illusions as a private source of counterfeit faith. That kind of work is recognized in scripture as the, "law of the fathers" same pattern as the unbelieving Jew. . Mystify people put them in a trance under the spell of Rome.
Their claim again focusing on the mystical ...They call themselves that to help emphasize . The Holy Church the "mystical body of Christ .
Catholicism. The mystic sect, creators of lying wonders. . Ash Wednesday is another work the pew Catholics can perform as a sign gift as a way of beefing false pride..
Just as many doctrines they get seem to be turned upside down by the counterfeiter, the father of lies. This is as it seems is in order to mystify the non venerable pew Catholic. They are fed many mystical experiences like lent. They have a whole army of mystics and mystic interpreters . Together with all of the supposed new private revelations as illusions there is a over flow of visions that must be tried by these mystic interpreters.
The lent tradition as a law of the Catholic fathers .It can be seen in the portion of scripture below.
The Catholic mystifying tradition from my experience of goes something like...
"The mystifying lent"...... Don't eat meat on Friday...... do the will of the Holy Father, the Holy See in Rome as it works in you to both will and do the Popes good pleasure...
Not eating meat creates a illusion someone is doing the will of another . Another gospel, another Christ.
The catch phrase of catholisicim , I have meat to eat that ye know not of
Then they went out of the city, and came unto him. In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat. But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of. Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.John 4:30-34
The meat of lent the earting and drinking damantion to one self as a sign gift.
Lent has to do with mystical things that can cause a wonder as "false source of faith" .
Its part of their way of creating illusions as a private source of counterfeit faith. That kind of work is recognized in scripture as the, "law of the fathers" same pattern as the unbelieving Jew. . Mystify people put them in a trance under the spell of Rome.
Their claim again focusing on the mystical ...They call themselves that to help emphasize . The Holy Church the "mystical body of Christ .
Catholicism. The mystic sect, creators of lying wonders. . Ash Wednesday is another work the pew Catholics can perform as a sign gift as a way of beefing false pride..
Just as many doctrines they get seem to be turned upside down by the counterfeiter, the father of lies. This is as it seems is in order to mystify the non venerable pew Catholic. They are fed many mystical experiences like lent. They have a whole army of mystics and mystic interpreters . Together with all of the supposed new private revelations as illusions there is a over flow of visions that must be tried by these mystic interpreters.
The lent tradition as a law of the Catholic fathers .It can be seen in the portion of scripture below.
The Catholic mystifying tradition from my experience of goes something like...
"The mystifying lent"...... Don't eat meat on Friday...... do the will of the Holy Father, the Holy See in Rome as it works in you to both will and do the Popes good pleasure...
Not eating meat creates a illusion someone is doing the will of another . Another gospel, another Christ.
The catch phrase of catholisicim , I have meat to eat that ye know not of
Then they went out of the city, and came unto him. In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat. But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of. Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.John 4:30-34
The meat of lent the earting and drinking damantion to one self as a sign gift.
Yes it means fat tuesday, yet it isnt biblical cos in the Bible God specifiies, written in exodus, all leaven (yeast) to be removed, not fat and eggs. The feast of unleavened bread. For seven days until passover. And on the passover day, every household is to prepare a roast lamb. Which is meat! Then on that day everyone is to eat it together. Ever celebrated this? Jesus did, every year, and always went to Jeruslame to do so.
So this lent observance isnt biblical. The only thing about it that is vaguely biblical is the 40 days yet as the OP shows its not even true fasting for the entire 40 days.
So this lent observance isnt biblical. The only thing about it that is vaguely biblical is the 40 days yet as the OP shows its not even true fasting for the entire 40 days.
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vaguely Biblical sounds like a good assessment.
whats Biblical is that Christ fasted for 40 days once and He never commanded any of His apostles to do so even once, much less yearly.
not to disparage anyone who wants to do something to devote themselves to God. but just to be realistic; this isn't something required in scripture it's just a ritual meant to sort-of imitate a one-time event.
whats Biblical is that Christ fasted for 40 days once and He never commanded any of His apostles to do so even once, much less yearly.
not to disparage anyone who wants to do something to devote themselves to God. but just to be realistic; this isn't something required in scripture it's just a ritual meant to sort-of imitate a one-time event.
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Did I say it was Biblical? Was I addressing you? I was addressing Blik, who said it was from the feast of Marduk, in the depths of Babylonian history, which it was definitely not.
Next time, please read both the post I am quoting, and my post. My church is trying to do Lent, a Baptist Church. I am boycotting it, because it is treading much too close to the traditions of the RCC and other churches.
If someone benefits, that is fine. Not that I approve, I'm just not condemning others. But, not for me. Although, I did use Shrove Tuesday as an excuse to go out for pancakes. Nothing about clearing my kitchen out of anything!
Next time, please read both the post I am quoting, and my post. My church is trying to do Lent, a Baptist Church. I am boycotting it, because it is treading much too close to the traditions of the RCC and other churches.
If someone benefits, that is fine. Not that I approve, I'm just not condemning others. But, not for me. Although, I did use Shrove Tuesday as an excuse to go out for pancakes. Nothing about clearing my kitchen out of anything!
What I see from Mainline Protestant denominations is that they are still followers of the Catholic Church. Period.
I would strongly discourage believers from taking part in the practice of putting Ashes on your Forehead or Right hand!
Why submit to practices that are pseudo-Old Testament such similar to fasting and covering yourself in sackcloth and ashes, when we now have a new convenant, a better covenent in Christ. [Hebrews 8:6] Doing so is a statement that Christ's atoning sacrifice is not sufficient.
Christ Alone atones for Sin. Covering yourself in ashes and fasting does NOT pay for your sins. It is a reputiation of Christ's work on the cross.
If one wishes to fast as a gesture to Christ, if one wishes to deny themselves in an effort to be like Christ than that is Great! But this does not buy you any Grace. These "good deeds" are merely gestures of your believe.
Lent and Ash Wednesday are entirely Man-Made. If you do them they are gestures to what Man has created.
I would strongly discourage believers from taking part in the practice of putting Ashes on your Forehead or Right hand!
Why submit to practices that are pseudo-Old Testament such similar to fasting and covering yourself in sackcloth and ashes, when we now have a new convenant, a better covenent in Christ. [Hebrews 8:6] Doing so is a statement that Christ's atoning sacrifice is not sufficient.
Christ Alone atones for Sin. Covering yourself in ashes and fasting does NOT pay for your sins. It is a reputiation of Christ's work on the cross.
If one wishes to fast as a gesture to Christ, if one wishes to deny themselves in an effort to be like Christ than that is Great! But this does not buy you any Grace. These "good deeds" are merely gestures of your believe.
Lent and Ash Wednesday are entirely Man-Made. If you do them they are gestures to what Man has created.
i've never done this - raised in a church that never did - but when i first heard about it, having a childhood friend who was Episcopalian - i thought, didn't Christ say when we fast not to go around looking like we're fasting, but to do it in secret so that the Father who sees in secret will reward us -- and isn't it kind of contrary to this for me to put a big sign on my forehead saying hey y'all look at me i'm fasting?
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look at the dictionary = - plus, I've been there, done that, and there was absolutely nothing 'christian' about any of it,
plus, I could never get away with posting what I saw and experienced there -
so, Sis, take us at our 'word', if you can... what ever, we Love you!...
look at the dictionary = - plus, I've been there, done that, and there was absolutely nothing 'christian' about any of it,
plus, I could never get away with posting what I saw and experienced there -
so, Sis, take us at our 'word', if you can... what ever, we Love you!...
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But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.
1 TIMOTHY 4:1-3 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/1ti.4.1-3.NASB
1 TIMOTHY 4:1-3 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/1ti.4.1-3.NASB
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I would compare the Catholic "mystical tradition" of lent more to the understanding of the kind food that the disciples knew not of .
.Which was to do the will of another not seen or walk by faith. Jesus declared His meat was to do the will of the father and finish the work of faith as the labor of His promised love..
Catholisicim as a oral mystical tradition of the fathers have created lent so show they identify as the people of the flesh, and not people of the born again Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God. But people who must believe the kingdom of God must come by observation as the very foundation of their belief system. They say a man seen must teach them as to the manner of their spirit.
Ash Wednesday in the same way.. a false source of faith, giving the illusion something is there, but it is not or something not there and it is . The Commandment to apply ashes to one forehead is as a sign to themselves whose approval they are seeking after.(the Pope their Holy Father). There is no written tradition , the new oral traditions of the fathers simply makes the word of God's tradition without effect.
It would seem that those who do hold to a form of mysticism forget signs work in two ways. Either to point back; there it goes. Or point ahead; here it comes. Learn the difference between the things of men seen and that of God not seen .Mysticism the old age, new age doctrine of men is on the rise, or still rising.. picking up speed.
.Which was to do the will of another not seen or walk by faith. Jesus declared His meat was to do the will of the father and finish the work of faith as the labor of His promised love..
Catholisicim as a oral mystical tradition of the fathers have created lent so show they identify as the people of the flesh, and not people of the born again Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God. But people who must believe the kingdom of God must come by observation as the very foundation of their belief system. They say a man seen must teach them as to the manner of their spirit.
Ash Wednesday in the same way.. a false source of faith, giving the illusion something is there, but it is not or something not there and it is . The Commandment to apply ashes to one forehead is as a sign to themselves whose approval they are seeking after.(the Pope their Holy Father). There is no written tradition , the new oral traditions of the fathers simply makes the word of God's tradition without effect.
It would seem that those who do hold to a form of mysticism forget signs work in two ways. Either to point back; there it goes. Or point ahead; here it comes. Learn the difference between the things of men seen and that of God not seen .Mysticism the old age, new age doctrine of men is on the rise, or still rising.. picking up speed.
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The concept of corporate fasting is a personal choice...it shouldn't EVER be compulsory.
I do actually agree that fasting can be anything, so something can be gleaned from that experience at least 
Obviously the decision is your personal choice and leading by the spirit but that's between you and the Lord.
I would encourage you not to let experiences like this turn you completely off to fasting as there are definite spiritual benefits. Jesus did do it for a reason. It's a VERY private thing though in my experience.
Thanks, its true, it is not from God. I remember when I was in high school, a preacher came to us and stated that we dont have to give up meat but anything that you enjoy in life whether it be music, chocolate, etc. I was confused then and felt guilty since I gave up nothing. Ive always felt the guilt. Now I understand that its man-made and not necessarily instructed by God.
Obviously the decision is your personal choice and leading by the spirit but that's between you and the Lord.
I would encourage you not to let experiences like this turn you completely off to fasting as there are definite spiritual benefits. Jesus did do it for a reason. It's a VERY private thing though in my experience.
I think there are certain instances where group fasting for a particular prayer need is pivotal when dealing with extreme issues (consider Daniel's 21 day fast). Fasting for someone else though should be prayerfully considered and not entered into lightly. It should still be kept privately/secretly the Lord sees.