Is There A 'Need' For supernatural abilities Today?

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Reminds me of Jimmy Swaggart or was that Jim Bakker, or Cerullo .. way back to A.A.Allen
i do it because of Mark 16:18 .......they will lay hands on the sick, and they will get well.
 

Lanolin

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well I think there is still a need because people still get sick and they still deal with devils.

Its not as if after Jesus the entire world became christians and now we all just live in heaven and we all speak the same language

Obvs?
 

jb

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No, there's no need for miraculous signs today.
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What utter bilge!

The Gospel being preached without signs, wonders and miracles is "faith without works" which is a "dead" faith! James 2v26.

To not seek after love and spiritual gifts is a complete rejection of the commandment of the Lord! 1Cor 14v1,37.
 

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"
Goal Of The Gifts​

After our Lord Rose from the dead, and before He Ascended into Heaven, He
Commissioned His apostles to go into all the world and preach the gospel
(Mark_16:15). Those who believed the gospel and were baptized would be
saved (v. 16), and empowered with certain supernatural abilities, known as
spiritual gifts:

“And these signs shall follow them that believe; In My name shall​
they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; “They shall​
take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt​
them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover”​
(Mark_16:17,18)...​

While the early disciples indeed displayed nearly all of these gifts, it is obvious
to most Christians that believers today no longer possess these supernatural
powers. We believe that this is because these gifts uniquely qualified those
saints to preach the gospel safely during the Great Tribulation, but that the
coming of the Tribulation was put “on hold” with the introduction of the
dispensation of Grace.

The purpose of this article will be to show how these gifts will equip the saints
to meet the unique challenges that will be present in the Tribulation period.
In so doing, we also intend to demonstrate how in the absence of these unique
challenges, there is no need for these gifts in the present dispensation...

...brief study is not meant to be...exhaustive...we rather trust​
that the reader will add these few thoughts to the arsenal of​
spiritual weaponry with which we must equip ourselves...​
"
(R Kurth)

FULL study:
The Goal Of The Gifts

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GRACE And Peace...
The gifts of the Holy Spirit have always been fully available to to the church. They did not cease with the introduction of the grace gospel. Paul preached the dispensation of grace, God not only did miracles and manifested the gifts of the Holy Spirit through Paul but Paul exhorted us that we should seek these also.

If we preach pardon for sin at the cross only and not deliverance from evil and healing then pardon is what the Holy Spirit will demonstrate. If we do preach deliverance and healing then the Holy Spirit will demonstrate those things as well.
 

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No, there's no need for miraculous signs today.

Signs and wonders were used by Jesus and the early disciples as confirmation of the message. Jesus consented to showing signs so people would believe His message; but he condemned those who sought signs as an end in themselves. That's where we are today, unfortunately: a lot of people seeking signs for the sake of signs.

We have the message. It was confirmed early on by many signs and wonders. Now, we either believe the message or we don't.
Well cannot agree. Because God has given me so many miracles and signs I cannot begin to tell you. But everyone sees things differently . I was held hostage by an ex with a gun. God gave me signs and caused him to fall alseep so we could escape.
 

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A lot of people seeks signs because they are cut off from the Spirit to a large extent. If they truly knew the Spirit they'd have no need to conjure counterfeit signs and wonders; the Father and Son would dwell in them and they would be at peace.
 
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For those with spiritual gifts here, you’ll learn things from experience as you wield that power. You may have noticed that sin, especially deliberate sin, grieves or troubles God’s Spirit and this dampens the power and efficacy of the gift for a bit. It depends on the frequency of the sin.

God is aroused to anger where sin abounds because God is perfectly righteous and this can’t be overstated. He’s literally scrutinizing your every thought, feeling, action and fully considering the motivations for why you do anything.

Sometimes confession alone restores potency of the gift, other times it restores after punishment; that can involve strange happenings in your life, the removal of blessings, or even being handed over to Satan for a season. Other times the Spiritual power restores when/if God feels like it should.

Individual results may vary.
 

JohnDB

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For those with spiritual gifts here, you’ll learn things from experience as you wield that power. You may have noticed that sin, especially deliberate sin, grieves or troubles God’s Spirit and this dampens the power and efficacy of the gift for a bit. It depends on the frequency of the sin.

God is aroused to anger where sin abounds because God is perfectly righteous and this can’t be overstated. He’s literally scrutinizing your every thought, feeling, action and fully considering the motivations for why you do anything.

Sometimes confession alone restores potency of the gift, other times it restores after punishment; that can involve strange happenings in your life, the removal of blessings, or even being handed over to Satan for a season. Other times the Spiritual power restores when/if God feels like it should.

Individual results may vary.
So it's the one needing healed at fault and not that the healer has no ability to heal eh?
:unsure::unsure::unsure:
 
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So it's the one needing healed at fault and not that the healer has no ability to heal eh?
:unsure::unsure::unsure:
the "Healer" is God and He is able to heal anyone of anything. if the receiver lacks faith that God can heal them, they will "never" be healed.
 

ResidentAlien

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the "Healer" is God and He is able to heal anyone of anything. if the receiver lacks faith that God can heal them, they will "never" be healed.
How about the lame man Peter healed in Acts 3? There was no discussion of Jesus or whether the man had faith or not. Peter just healed him.

True, sometimes a person's faith is said to have healed them or made them well; but not in every case.
 
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Mark 5:34 And He said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well.

Mark 10:52 Yeshua said to him, “Go! Your faith has made you well.” Instantly he regained his sight and began following Yeshua down the road.

Luke 7:50 Then He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in shalom.”

Luke 17:19 Then Yeshua said to the man, “Stand up and go! Your faith has made you well.”

too many verses to list where Jesus said, "Your faith has healed you/made you well
 

JohnDB

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How about the lame man Peter healed in Acts 3? There was no discussion of Jesus or whether the man had faith or not. Peter just healed him.

True, sometimes a person's faith is said to have healed them or made them well; but not in every case.
Then there was the fortune teller harassing Paul....she wasn't exactly a fan before she was healed.
 
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How about the lame man Peter healed in Acts 3? There was no discussion of Jesus or whether the man had faith or not. Peter just healed him.

True, sometimes a person's faith is said to have healed them or made them well; but not in every case.
peter also said, silver and gold have i none but such as i have i give thee. rise in the NAME OF JESUS OF NAZARETH...