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Very Good Question Lamb.
Some may not know that J.R.R. Tolkien was in fact Christian and Catholic. Mr. Tolkien was also a very good friend of C.S. Lewis. Mr. C.S. Lewis has actually written many Christian books. (Mere Christianity, etc) Lets look at what Mr. Tolien says about his works:
"'The Lord of the Rings' is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision," Tolkien wrote in a letter in 1953 to Robert Murray, a Jesuit priest. "That is why I have not put in, or have cut out practically all references to anything like 'religion,' to cults or practices, in the imaginary world. For the religious element is absorbed into the story and symbolism." (The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, 1981) Tolkien's Catholicism does not appear overtly in the book. Biblical use of language, on the other hand, gives the work archaic flavor. In his forword to the work Tolkien expressed his dislike of allegory: "As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical...
It's really hard to conclude the J.R.R. Tolkien had any outright intention of putting forth something harmful. As some of the other membesr have pointed out.. It is written that witchcraft and invocation are forbiden. And you yourself alluded to the acknowledgement of this.
The Gensis of question lies within in literature. "Is it acceptable to read literature with wizardry, witchcraft, or invocation?"
Take for example Macbeth written by William Shakespeare, "Fair is foul, and foul is fair." from the Witches Act. Some of the faith believe Harry Potter is harmful and should be banned.In the Bible Saul actually spoke to a witch to converse with Samuel. Samuels spirit rebuked Saul for doing so.
I feel in your walk of faith people are going to say things or even write things that have sin within. You do play a role in your faith walk. It is up to you judge what is righteous and what is not. To determine what is clean or unclean.
Your original question asked, "Is there such a thing as a good wizard?" I thought I would share the following scripture with you.
Mark Chap 10 Verses 17-18
Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”
So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
Hope this helps
Some may not know that J.R.R. Tolkien was in fact Christian and Catholic. Mr. Tolkien was also a very good friend of C.S. Lewis. Mr. C.S. Lewis has actually written many Christian books. (Mere Christianity, etc) Lets look at what Mr. Tolien says about his works:
"'The Lord of the Rings' is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision," Tolkien wrote in a letter in 1953 to Robert Murray, a Jesuit priest. "That is why I have not put in, or have cut out practically all references to anything like 'religion,' to cults or practices, in the imaginary world. For the religious element is absorbed into the story and symbolism." (The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, 1981) Tolkien's Catholicism does not appear overtly in the book. Biblical use of language, on the other hand, gives the work archaic flavor. In his forword to the work Tolkien expressed his dislike of allegory: "As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical...
It's really hard to conclude the J.R.R. Tolkien had any outright intention of putting forth something harmful. As some of the other membesr have pointed out.. It is written that witchcraft and invocation are forbiden. And you yourself alluded to the acknowledgement of this.
The Gensis of question lies within in literature. "Is it acceptable to read literature with wizardry, witchcraft, or invocation?"
Take for example Macbeth written by William Shakespeare, "Fair is foul, and foul is fair." from the Witches Act. Some of the faith believe Harry Potter is harmful and should be banned.In the Bible Saul actually spoke to a witch to converse with Samuel. Samuels spirit rebuked Saul for doing so.
I feel in your walk of faith people are going to say things or even write things that have sin within. You do play a role in your faith walk. It is up to you judge what is righteous and what is not. To determine what is clean or unclean.
Your original question asked, "Is there such a thing as a good wizard?" I thought I would share the following scripture with you.
Mark Chap 10 Verses 17-18
Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”
So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
Hope this helps
We all know what Halloween represents but think about Halloween in this light. Every year you may live in a neighborhood that hundreds of kids and families come to your door asking for a treat. They are all dressed up for the occasion and have their containers held out with open arms ready to receive what you have to offer. What an opportunity to take advantage of and redeem the time. God brings all these kids and families to your door. You can be kind and love your neighbor that perhaps you never see except this one time a year. You can make up or give them a treat with a message of the gospel that they can take home and read later on. You haven't violated anything or become a partaker of evil deeds. We live in a crooked and perverse world and we are to shine as lights. Halloween is an opportunity to do just that, instead of being sanctimonious. No one has to participate if they don't want to, but to participate through redemption is not sin or evil. We can glorify Christ and shine as lights in the world, even in the midst of a day that honors and is dedicated unto darkness. As a believer we can esteem every day alike. You have heard the song, 'The Darker the Night, the Brighter the Light Shines'.
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There is no such thing as a good witch or wiziard, any witchcraft and those practicing it are outlawed
in the Word of God.
It was denounced by the OT prophets and casued Israel to be punished and go into captivity.
Halloween has satanic orgians, and was the main way that children were sacrficed
A friend of mine who is a former witch, is alarmed of the level of witchcraft used in HP. She was a high
ranking witch before she came to Christ. High ranking witches use type of witchcraft shown in HP.
This type of witchcraft she explained was used to congur the apperence of demons, and kill people.
Hp was designed to make witchcraft look fun and exceptable, the truth is those who pratice it
will not inherit the kingdom of God.
King Saul died due to consulting a witch.
Gandauff never used his powers to make people do what He wanted them to do.
The religious leaders said that Jesus had a demon to discredit Him, Jesus made it clear He didnt.
N
What an opportunity to take advantage of and redeem the time. God brings all these kids and families to your door. You can be kind and love your neighbor that perhaps you never see except this one time a year. You can make up or give them a treat with a message of the gospel that they can take home and read later on. You haven't violated anything or become a partaker of evil deeds. We live in a crooked and perverse world and we are to shine as lights. AGREED!
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There are such things as 'good' people who are led astray by the promises of magic. I mean 'good' by the standards of man, not God.
The promises of magic are false though, because Satan is the prince of lies, and lies are his native language. In the end, magic brings bondage. Most advanced practitioners of magic are aware of this deep down... though they may not acknowledge that the bondage is to Satan.
The promises of magic are false though, because Satan is the prince of lies, and lies are his native language. In the end, magic brings bondage. Most advanced practitioners of magic are aware of this deep down... though they may not acknowledge that the bondage is to Satan.
The facts are that witches are real. Satanist are real. Easter is coming up and it is their black mass. They will kill lil children. They will murder them by sacrifice. The will make lil children be part in murdering other children or adults. While they are so scared they will be raped by many people and demons.
They will cut peoples hearts out and force the lil children to eat a piece of the heart.
You can all put that in your list of its no big deal.
They will cut peoples hearts out and force the lil children to eat a piece of the heart.
You can all put that in your list of its no big deal.
K
Maybe I'm biased because I happen to really enjoy the Lord of The Ring's series (JR Tolken was an amazing writer) and I'm currently reading the Harry Potter books, but I cannot see them being evil, nor in God's eyes they are evil either.
I guess what it comes down to is that the characters in both books are fiction. They do not live in this world. LOTR is a completely different realm all together and while Harry Potter is in modern day times, they live in a world where magic is real, unlike our world where it is not. Now, we also to remember that God loves everyone. He hates the sin, but loves the sinner. Harry Potter, Frodo Baggins, and the other characters in both books (not counting the people against the main character's obviously) are trying to save the world. They are doing good, they are helping the world out, and actually, they are SAVING the world. We do not know if they are Christians, but we cannot assume they aren't because they are doing pure good. There's no proof in either that they are not Christians.
Also you must keep in mind that JR Tolken wrote Lord of The Rings and based it on the life of Christ. I think that says something.
I guess what it comes down to is that the characters in both books are fiction. They do not live in this world. LOTR is a completely different realm all together and while Harry Potter is in modern day times, they live in a world where magic is real, unlike our world where it is not. Now, we also to remember that God loves everyone. He hates the sin, but loves the sinner. Harry Potter, Frodo Baggins, and the other characters in both books (not counting the people against the main character's obviously) are trying to save the world. They are doing good, they are helping the world out, and actually, they are SAVING the world. We do not know if they are Christians, but we cannot assume they aren't because they are doing pure good. There's no proof in either that they are not Christians.
Also you must keep in mind that JR Tolken wrote Lord of The Rings and based it on the life of Christ. I think that says something.
N
Wow...really? Not a single person knows what a witch from the bible actually is and why they were so evil?
No one has ever bothered to study it?
Throw out most of what you think you know about them.
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What is a witch?
H3784
כּשׁף
kâshaph
kaw-shaf'
A primitive root; properly to whisper a spell, that is, to inchant or practise magic: - sorcerer, (use) witch (-craft).
A witch was a "sorcerer" (this can mean male or female). So what did a sorcerer do that was so wrong? They cast spells and while the modern type of "spell" is thought of as something spoken or read from a scroll, it was more about making
potions. Things that could heal you (medicenes), kill you (poisons), or alter you somehow (mind altering drugs). Even today "witch doctors" in primitive cultures make heavily mind altering things amde to cleanse you or help you see new
things.)
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
sorcerers
This word is speaking of drugs, and those who use them...perhaps those who sell them to others as well!
5332
5332 pharmakeus {far-mak-yoos'}
from pharmakon (a drug, i.e. spell-giving potion);; n m
AV - sorcerer 1; 1
1) one who prepares or uses magical remedies
2) sorcerer
A "sorcerer" nowadays means a "magical wizard" or something, but in the past it was a term for drug makers and users without regard to male or female.
Thayer's
5331 pharmakeia {far-mak-i'-ah}
from 5332;; n f
AV - sorcery 2, witchcraft 1; 3
1) the use or the administering of drugs
2) poisoning
3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and
fostered by it
4) metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
Act 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
Act 8:10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.
Act 8:11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
Drugs were the way this man was able to "bewitch" so many people into thinking he had magical powers to create these "magical" things.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
"witchcraft"
Strong's
G5331
pharmakeia
far-mak-i'-ah
From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): - sorcery, witchcraft.
Medication! Not good medication but they sure enjoyed it and those they got it from!
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
This should really read this way:
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, **DRUG ABUSE**, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Note that these are "works of the flesh" meaning your body and don't drugs affect one's body (including the mind) in very strong ways?
witches were known in the past for making "brews" and "potions" in their caldrons, another way to "cook" drugs and make up "medicenes" otherwise known as drugs. Even in the late 19th century cocaine and forms of it were commonly used as
"medicenes" even though they didn't actually heal you.
3784
03784 kashaph {kaw-shaf'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 1051; v
AV - sorcerers 3, witch 2, witchcraft 1; 6
1) (Piel) to practice [font color=red]witchcraft or sorcery[/font], use witchcraft
1a) sorcerer, sorceress (participle)
5331 pharmakeia {far-mak-i'-ah}
from 5332;; n f
AV - sorcery 2, witchcraft 1; 3
1) the use or the administering of drugs
2) poisoning
3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and
fostered by it
4) metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
from this word do we have "pharmacy" a place for drugs, and a pharmacy has long been a term for someone making or using any drug, even the bad addictive kinds like cocaine and etc.
witches and sorcerers and those types were the first drug pushers and users.
In the book of Enoch, which is not included in the bible so make up your own mind on it's validity, but, we read that some fallen angels were the ones who taught man how to create drugs and sorceries:
Enoch Chapter 8
1Moreover Azazyel taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors, and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every
valuable and select kind, and all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered.
2Impiety increased; fornication multiplied; and they transgressed and corrupted all their ways.
3Amazarak taught all the sorcerers, and dividers of roots:
4Armers taught the solution of sorcery;
Most drugs are derived originally from plants, their roots or leaves, and barks etc etc.
No one has ever bothered to study it?
Throw out most of what you think you know about them.
******************************************************
What is a witch?
H3784
כּשׁף
kâshaph
kaw-shaf'
A primitive root; properly to whisper a spell, that is, to inchant or practise magic: - sorcerer, (use) witch (-craft).
A witch was a "sorcerer" (this can mean male or female). So what did a sorcerer do that was so wrong? They cast spells and while the modern type of "spell" is thought of as something spoken or read from a scroll, it was more about making
potions. Things that could heal you (medicenes), kill you (poisons), or alter you somehow (mind altering drugs). Even today "witch doctors" in primitive cultures make heavily mind altering things amde to cleanse you or help you see new
things.)
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
sorcerers
This word is speaking of drugs, and those who use them...perhaps those who sell them to others as well!
5332
5332 pharmakeus {far-mak-yoos'}
from pharmakon (a drug, i.e. spell-giving potion);; n m
AV - sorcerer 1; 1
1) one who prepares or uses magical remedies
2) sorcerer
A "sorcerer" nowadays means a "magical wizard" or something, but in the past it was a term for drug makers and users without regard to male or female.
Thayer's
5331 pharmakeia {far-mak-i'-ah}
from 5332;; n f
AV - sorcery 2, witchcraft 1; 3
1) the use or the administering of drugs
2) poisoning
3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and
fostered by it
4) metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
Act 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
Act 8:10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.
Act 8:11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
Drugs were the way this man was able to "bewitch" so many people into thinking he had magical powers to create these "magical" things.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
"witchcraft"
Strong's
G5331
pharmakeia
far-mak-i'-ah
From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): - sorcery, witchcraft.
Medication! Not good medication but they sure enjoyed it and those they got it from!
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
This should really read this way:
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, **DRUG ABUSE**, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Note that these are "works of the flesh" meaning your body and don't drugs affect one's body (including the mind) in very strong ways?
witches were known in the past for making "brews" and "potions" in their caldrons, another way to "cook" drugs and make up "medicenes" otherwise known as drugs. Even in the late 19th century cocaine and forms of it were commonly used as
"medicenes" even though they didn't actually heal you.
3784
03784 kashaph {kaw-shaf'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 1051; v
AV - sorcerers 3, witch 2, witchcraft 1; 6
1) (Piel) to practice [font color=red]witchcraft or sorcery[/font], use witchcraft
1a) sorcerer, sorceress (participle)
5331 pharmakeia {far-mak-i'-ah}
from 5332;; n f
AV - sorcery 2, witchcraft 1; 3
1) the use or the administering of drugs
2) poisoning
3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and
fostered by it
4) metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
from this word do we have "pharmacy" a place for drugs, and a pharmacy has long been a term for someone making or using any drug, even the bad addictive kinds like cocaine and etc.
witches and sorcerers and those types were the first drug pushers and users.
In the book of Enoch, which is not included in the bible so make up your own mind on it's validity, but, we read that some fallen angels were the ones who taught man how to create drugs and sorceries:
Enoch Chapter 8
1Moreover Azazyel taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors, and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every
valuable and select kind, and all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered.
2Impiety increased; fornication multiplied; and they transgressed and corrupted all their ways.
3Amazarak taught all the sorcerers, and dividers of roots:
4Armers taught the solution of sorcery;
Most drugs are derived originally from plants, their roots or leaves, and barks etc etc.