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To each their own we all have free will, and mine is to love all no matter what and is done for me through me by God the creator of all, in whom I believe through Son loved us and loves us all so deeply that he went to the cross for this world, to bring us into his kingdom in the Spirit not the flesh, is all I am saying in what I see as truth, just as you are doing the same to me, from your perspective, and you have taught me things I can't explain and I thank you for that, made my faith grow even stronger in ?Faith to God through Christ. Maybe I have done the same for you in your faith that there is no God. No matter I just love you because God first loved me and all the whole world. It is nothing more that a response to the creator of all in thanks and praises
Every person when born are designed in such a way that whatever they think is a direct emotional feeling. Go to a scary movie, do people get scared? Do we react to the movie as we get into it? What is in control, we know the movie is not real, yet our emotions predictably react to whatever we are thinking right?
So do emotions (feelings) know any right or wrong?
Can anyone change how they feel, trying to change feelings
So do emotions (feelings) know any right or wrong?
Can anyone change how they feel, trying to change feelings
I see you are talking religion in its religiosity, and have been harmed by this. These fanatics are not of God or from God. that does just love them anyway, and by this unconditional love he has for us all, when we see this is; is when we will change and not condemn anyone, seeing how we deserved to be condemned and still deserve it. Yet he gave us life in Spirit by the resurrection of Son.
Now by the grace of God we are pardoned, So go on and say what you want to say, you are just showing the fallen flesh that God came to redeem through the cross of Son
There are a lot of people that harm the Mercy of God. It is man fallen flesh that can't please God
The battle is flesh verses Spirit of God in love to all
Adam and Eve that day were born in the flesh with a living soul they already had, not born in the Spirit of God?
God came to give us life in the Spirit that Adam and Eve never got along with every man after that, born of the flesh in need to be born again of the Spirit of God, it is that simple being offered from God as a free gift period. Now that is Mercy, that a lot of people miss or get at first and then forget, and start condemning others, to make then feel good about themselves trying to pass their sin(s) off onto another.
Refuse that which I think you do and are right now, right on, but please understand, this behavior of others is not of God
Now by the grace of God we are pardoned, So go on and say what you want to say, you are just showing the fallen flesh that God came to redeem through the cross of Son
There are a lot of people that harm the Mercy of God. It is man fallen flesh that can't please God
The battle is flesh verses Spirit of God in love to all
Adam and Eve that day were born in the flesh with a living soul they already had, not born in the Spirit of God?
God came to give us life in the Spirit that Adam and Eve never got along with every man after that, born of the flesh in need to be born again of the Spirit of God, it is that simple being offered from God as a free gift period. Now that is Mercy, that a lot of people miss or get at first and then forget, and start condemning others, to make then feel good about themselves trying to pass their sin(s) off onto another.
Refuse that which I think you do and are right now, right on, but please understand, this behavior of others is not of God
This world after the fall, of mankind is not God's. If it were he would not have gone to the cross and died for us. He would have fought as Peter thought when Peter cut off Malcus's ear to stop him from taking Christ away.
And Christ restored this man's ear, had Peter put away his sword and said If this were his kingdom here on this earth, then he would have had legions of angels here to fight, but his kingdom is not of this world
And so by his willingness to go to the cross to his deathhe by his resurrection made an:
Colossians 2:15 and having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
And Christ restored this man's ear, had Peter put away his sword and said If this were his kingdom here on this earth, then he would have had legions of angels here to fight, but his kingdom is not of this world
And so by his willingness to go to the cross to his deathhe by his resurrection made an:
Colossians 2:15 and having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Death came by man not God. Free choice was to either eat from that tree or not and were told waht eating from that tree would bring forth and that is death. By free choice Adam brought death to mankind period
Now today God brought forth Mercy to all and is up to us again to either believe or not, if believe we get a get out of jail free card, and by trusting Father through Son we get to stay out of Jail
Now today God brought forth Mercy to all and is up to us again to either believe or not, if believe we get a get out of jail free card, and by trusting Father through Son we get to stay out of Jail
The Matrix is awesome in opening up one to truth at least for me and made my Faith grow stronger, and is why I am not religious nor do I go to church here on earth, only when I am called occasionally for God's purpose in freedom that the came for all to give this too
[h=3]Hebrews 8:1-2[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; [SUP]2 [/SUP]a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
[h=3]Hebrews 8:3-4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
[h=3]Hebrews 8:1-2[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; [SUP]2 [/SUP]a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
[h=3]Hebrews 8:3-4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Here I thought we were on the same side phil - the following are not my thoughts - I already gave my thoughts in post #475 I just wanted you to know I am not the only one to come to the same thought pattern - I googled and found the below I never heard of this person, but we think alike from the way the scripture is written. Enjoy
Question: "Is the King of Tyre prophecy in Ezekiel 28 referring to Satan?"
Answer: At first glance, the prophecy in Ezekiel 28:11-19 seems to refer to a human king. Tyre was the recipient of some of the strongest prophetic condemnations in the Bible (Isaiah 23:1–18; Jeremiah 25:22; 27:1–11; Ezekiel 26:1–28:19; Joel 3:4–8; Amos 1:9,10). Tyre was known for building its wealth by exploiting its neighbors. Ancient writers referred to the city of Tyre as a city filled with unscrupulous merchants. Tyre was a center of religious idolatry and sexual immorality. The biblical prophets rebuked Tyre for its pride brought on by its great wealth and strategic location. Ezekiel 28:11-19 seems to be a particularly strong indictment against the King of Tyre in the prophet Ezekiel’s day, rebuking the king for his insatiable pride and greed.
However, some of the descriptions in Ezekiel 28:11-19 go beyond any mere human king. In no sense could an earthly king claim to be “in Eden” or to be “the anointed cherub who covers” or to be “on the holy mountain of God.” Therefore, most Bible interpreters believe that Ezekiel 28:11-19 is a dual prophecy, comparing the pride of the King of Tyre to the pride of Satan. Some propose that the King of Tyre was actually possessed by Satan, making the link between the two even more powerful and applicable.
Before his fall, Satan was indeed a beautiful creature (Ezekiel 28:12-13). He was perhaps the most beautiful and powerful of all the angels. The phrase “guardian cherub” possibly indicates that Satan was the angel who “guarded” God’s presence. Pride led to Satan’s fall. Rather than give God the glory for creating him so beautifully, Satan took pride in himself, thinking that he himself was responsible for his exalted status. Satan’s rebellion resulted in God casting Satan from His presence and will, eventually, result in God condemning Satan to the lake of fire for all eternity (Revelation 20:10).
Like Satan, the human King of Tyre was prideful. Rather than recognize God’s sovereignty, the King of Tyre attributed Tyre’s riches to his own wisdom and strength. Not satisfied with his extravagant position, the King of Tyre sought more and more, resulting in Tyre taking advantage of other nations, expanding its own wealth at the expense of others. But just as Satan’s pride led to his fall and will eventually lead to his eternal destruction, so will the city of Tyre lose its wealth, power, and status. Ezekiel’s prophecy of Tyre’s total destruction was fulfilled partially by Nebuchadnezzar (Ezekiel 29:17-21) and ultimately by Alexander the Great.
Recommended Resources: The Serpent of Paradise by Erwin Lutzer
Read more: Is the King of Tyre prophecy in Ezekiel 28 referring to Satan?
Question: "Is the King of Tyre prophecy in Ezekiel 28 referring to Satan?"
Answer: At first glance, the prophecy in Ezekiel 28:11-19 seems to refer to a human king. Tyre was the recipient of some of the strongest prophetic condemnations in the Bible (Isaiah 23:1–18; Jeremiah 25:22; 27:1–11; Ezekiel 26:1–28:19; Joel 3:4–8; Amos 1:9,10). Tyre was known for building its wealth by exploiting its neighbors. Ancient writers referred to the city of Tyre as a city filled with unscrupulous merchants. Tyre was a center of religious idolatry and sexual immorality. The biblical prophets rebuked Tyre for its pride brought on by its great wealth and strategic location. Ezekiel 28:11-19 seems to be a particularly strong indictment against the King of Tyre in the prophet Ezekiel’s day, rebuking the king for his insatiable pride and greed.
However, some of the descriptions in Ezekiel 28:11-19 go beyond any mere human king. In no sense could an earthly king claim to be “in Eden” or to be “the anointed cherub who covers” or to be “on the holy mountain of God.” Therefore, most Bible interpreters believe that Ezekiel 28:11-19 is a dual prophecy, comparing the pride of the King of Tyre to the pride of Satan. Some propose that the King of Tyre was actually possessed by Satan, making the link between the two even more powerful and applicable.
Before his fall, Satan was indeed a beautiful creature (Ezekiel 28:12-13). He was perhaps the most beautiful and powerful of all the angels. The phrase “guardian cherub” possibly indicates that Satan was the angel who “guarded” God’s presence. Pride led to Satan’s fall. Rather than give God the glory for creating him so beautifully, Satan took pride in himself, thinking that he himself was responsible for his exalted status. Satan’s rebellion resulted in God casting Satan from His presence and will, eventually, result in God condemning Satan to the lake of fire for all eternity (Revelation 20:10).
Like Satan, the human King of Tyre was prideful. Rather than recognize God’s sovereignty, the King of Tyre attributed Tyre’s riches to his own wisdom and strength. Not satisfied with his extravagant position, the King of Tyre sought more and more, resulting in Tyre taking advantage of other nations, expanding its own wealth at the expense of others. But just as Satan’s pride led to his fall and will eventually lead to his eternal destruction, so will the city of Tyre lose its wealth, power, and status. Ezekiel’s prophecy of Tyre’s total destruction was fulfilled partially by Nebuchadnezzar (Ezekiel 29:17-21) and ultimately by Alexander the Great.
Recommended Resources: The Serpent of Paradise by Erwin Lutzer
Read more: Is the King of Tyre prophecy in Ezekiel 28 referring to Satan?
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I am not trying to argue with the atheists - I am hanging out having conversations with them to try and understand why they believe the way they do and in hopes that I can share the love of God with them and show them not all Christians are condemning them to hell because of what they believe. God gave them a choice to choose just as He gave me. He will not force us to do anything against our will. So I love my brothers/sisters on this thread even if they call themselves atheists.
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If you believe in the bible and want to serve Christ and go to heaven, then we are indeed on the same side, as you put it.
What you said, you did not qualify it as an opinion or what someone told you. You stated it as a simple fact, and that is something that can't be proven.
Origen believed it to be the city of Tyre, not satan, and again, that isn't verifiable fact. But if I was a betting man I would bet a ton that Origen was closer to being right about it than anyone you heard it from that it was satan.
What you said, you did not qualify it as an opinion or what someone told you. You stated it as a simple fact, and that is something that can't be proven.
Origen believed it to be the city of Tyre, not satan, and again, that isn't verifiable fact. But if I was a betting man I would bet a ton that Origen was closer to being right about it than anyone you heard it from that it was satan.
Yes I do and yes we are. To your first part
To the second part.
You just aren't willing to give an inch are ya? Forgive my stating of fact as you say, maybe I should have said other people/bible scholars have come to the same conclusion I have from studing that it was referring to Satan in Ezekiel 28. Is that better?
To the second part.
You just aren't willing to give an inch are ya? Forgive my stating of fact as you say, maybe I should have said other people/bible scholars have come to the same conclusion I have from studing that it was referring to Satan in Ezekiel 28. Is that better?
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As expected, you have this penchance to trivialise what is a serious attempt to explain the truth to you so let me ask you. Would you prefer to be someone who is allowed to make up your own mind or would you prefer to be someone who is nothing more than a robot who has to do what he is told when he is told?
Adding to the list...
Note on monotheism - There is more than one type of monotheism. Professed monotheists may demonstrate some level of syncretism in practice. Major forms of monotheism include Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
- Agnosticism - is the belief that the truth values of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, as well as other religious and metaphysical claims—are unknown or unknowable.
- Concerned Agnostic - Agnostic who wants to know the truth about god if somehow it could be known.
- Unconcerned - Doesn't know and doesn't care.
- Idolater - Devoted to one or more invented gods formed by human imagination
- Syncretism - blending of one worldview with another. Syncretism combines different forms of belief or practice.
Note on monotheism - There is more than one type of monotheism. Professed monotheists may demonstrate some level of syncretism in practice. Major forms of monotheism include Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
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1. Not when it comes to being accurate about the bible. And I make no apologies for that.
2. As I said, Origen, and other bible scholars, have come to different conclusions than yours. That doesn't make what they say any more factual than what you say, without evidence to support.
So yes, that's better.
2. As I said, Origen, and other bible scholars, have come to different conclusions than yours. That doesn't make what they say any more factual than what you say, without evidence to support.
So yes, that's better.