Is there such a thing as an atheist?

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I think that's the point. God doesn't want a co dependent relationship with his creation nor does he want an independent one. He wants an interdependent one and that requires a measure of faith and hope.
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....and humility. I'm pretty sure the proud don't get to set foot in heaven. God wants you humble, so he can put a robe on you and throw you a big party. What better way to make you humble than requiring you to dig for the truth about yourself. Relationship with God isn't about believing. It's about trusting.
 
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Ok I do not agree with you but respect your opinion.

As long as you don't say I'm irrational for thinking "something came from nothing" because that is irrational and I do not believe that at all.
Something came from something, the difference is I do not think its "something came from someone(God)"
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If something came from either something or someone, that still makes it a god dose. I do not agree that rejecting His existence is an easy thing for you. I wonder how many periods reoccur in your heart that stops to acknowledge Him. I must ask you, why supress it? I believe at some point, whether early on, or still are, you are putting yourself in a position to supress right?

I don't know you personally, but you gotta let go and accept the truth man. :)
 
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98, 99, 100 pages if you aint den yu aint. But, wez kept trying. nevers evers gives upt.
 
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Spokenpassage said:
If something came from either something or someone, that still makes it a god dose. I do not agree that rejecting His existence is an easy thing for you. I wonder how many periods reoccur in your heart that stops to acknowledge Him. I must ask you, why supress it? I believe at some point, whether early on, or still are, you are putting yourself in a position to supress right?

I don't know you personally, but you gotta let go and accept the truth man. :)
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Sorry I can't believe in a personal god or spirits or ghosts or angels, it doesn't make logical or reasonable sense to do so.

At most you can convince me to believe in a Deistic God, which is a possibility.
 
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Kerry

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For the preaching of the Gospel is foolishness to them that do not believe but unto us who are saved it is the power of God. How true that is.
 
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Spokenpassage

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doseofreality said:
Sorry I can't believe in a personal god or spirits or ghosts or angels, it doesn't make logical or reasonable sense to do so.

At most you can convince me to believe in a Deistic God, which is a possibility.
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Why would God be logically grasp by fallible man? God is not something to be fully understood, simply because He's God. If your argument is that God isn't fully attainable to the mind that it disproves His existence, that in itself defeats its own argument does it not? Your conclusion is simply this, 'God must be definite in nature for man to understand, even though God is infinite in everything, even beyond the human mind.'

If God wasn't ever intervening, then everything would collapse. Deitism is no where found in the bible. Divine Providence is.
 
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As I explained to you here http://christianchat.com/christian-...sident-atheist-any-questions.html#post1497798 a person can gain the requisite knowledge and experience from God to know that He exists.

Ultimately, one doesn't need to have perfect and complete answers to everything before knowing God exists to know Him. I certainly don't see atheists demand that level of conclusive proof in any other area of their life. The point is that we certainly do have sufficient evidence about God upon which to act.

And in the end, that's the issue. The one who makes a genuine choice, a step of the will, toward knowing God is the one God reveals Himself to.

The reason why it works this way is because God ordained that people should be governed in the end by what they truly desire.


doseofreality said:
Sorry but you walked into this....

Truthfully if a person is intellectually honest, they cannot say with 100% certainty that there is "A" God. The evidence just doesn't support it. Scientific or otherwise. Therefore, a person cannot be honest with themselves and wear the "gnostic theist" label simultaneously.
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Spokenpassage said:
Why would God be logically grasp by fallible man? God is not something to be fully understood, simply because He's God. If your argument is that God isn't fully attainable to the mind that it disproves His existence, that in itself defeats its own argument does it not? Your conclusion is simply this, 'God must be definite in nature for man to understand, even though God is infinite in everything, even beyond the human mind.'

If God wasn't ever intervening, then everything would collapse. Deitism is no where found in the bible. Divine Providence is.
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I think I know where you are coming from, If god exists then by definition our finite minds couldn't grasp it or make sense of it logically.

That may be true hence where faith comes in. I was raised believing this and had faith that the illogical existed.
I have simply now come to realize that it is better to believe in logical things and risk being wrong than risk believing in illogical things.
 
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To all the atheist what can science do or any other man made thing, For your son that's on drugs or your mother that's on dialysis or your dad that has brain cancer. What can Jesus do, remove it all.
 
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Yes He is. You are wrong. I've already refuted your false assertion.

"The name Iēsous (‘Jesus’) is the Greek form of the Hebrew name yēšûa˒, a later form of yehâšûa˒ ..................
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Just because someone told you that, doesn't make it so. Strong's does not convert Iesous to yeshua. Your argument isn't with me, it is with Strong's. Say it flat out: Strong's is wrong, if that's what you believe.
 
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Well when you sitting around and have no praise for God. What, idle hands are the devils workshop.
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After reading the article, I actually agree with her angst. Not with her, but her grounds for the suit. She said she typed in baptist and it went thru, but rejected her 8theist request. It doesn't offend me. As a matter of fact, it helps me. I can now pray for her specifically, not generically.

Seriously though, what about it is offensive? Now her demanding I put said plate on my car......that would be a different subject.
 
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After reading the article, I actually agree with her angst. Not with her, but her grounds for the suit. She said she typed in baptist and it went thru, but rejected her 8theist request. It doesn't offend me. As a matter of fact, it helps me. I can now pray for her specifically, not generically.

Seriously though, what about it is offensive? Now her demanding I put said plate on my car......that would be a different subject.
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Yeah I understand rights, But when those rights are abused to promote ungodliness we must take a back. But, at the same time we do deserve our rights. True freedom only comes when a majority has their faith in Christ and this is what we are suffering now. We have gay's demanding their rights and transsexuals demanding their rights and Muslims demanding their rights and so forth. You know churches back in the day taught that women could not were pants, even though in bible days men didn't were pants. The thought of a transsexual never crossed their minds it just didn't exist. They took the scripture to mean that a man wore pants and a women wore dresses. Homosexuality and the like was not even in their coherence. I like that.
 
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Kerry said:
Yeah I understand rights, But when those rights are abused to promote ungodliness we must take a back. But, at the same time we do deserve our rights. True freedom only comes when a majority has their faith in Christ and this is what we are suffering now.................
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All we can do is make people understand they are wrong. Try to make them understand the consequences of their actions. Don't forget, God allows satan to run his mouth today, and we know God has the power to stop him.
And I beg to differ with you on the last part. True freedom comes in heaven, when evil men no longer have the ability to influence our lives.
 
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True real freedom comes in the Kingdom age, But my grandfather didn't have to deal with gay's demanding their rights they hid in the shadows.
 
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phil112 said:
After reading the article, I actually agree with her angst. Not with her, but her grounds for the suit. She said she typed in baptist and it went thru, but rejected her 8theist request. It doesn't offend me.
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I agree, she has a valid complaint.
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Seriously though, what about it is offensive? Now her demanding I put said plate on my car......that would be a different subject.
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And I would support your objection Phil, but we know she'd never do that. Myself, I think such a plate would be cool, but I would never want it on my car. I think if she gets the plate she is asking for trouble. Someone will centre her vehicle out for vandalism, or worse.
 
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Kerry said:
True real freedom comes in the Kingdom age, But my grandfather didn't have to deal with gay's demanding their rights they hid in the shadows.
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Yes, there was a time homosexuals and atheists both hid in the shadows. There was also a time in the South when blacks were not allowed to learn to read. In Canada during the 1960s interracial marriage was still illegal. There was a case of a woman who went to prison in Ontario, I think it was, because she had allowed herself to become pregnant by an Asian man. We are all, at last, gaining our freedom.
 
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Kerry said:
Yeah I understand rights, But when those rights are abused to promote ungodliness we must take a back. But, at the same time we do deserve our rights. True freedom only comes when a majority has their faith in Christ and this is what we are suffering now. We have gay's demanding their rights and transsexuals demanding their rights and Muslims demanding their rights and so forth. You know churches back in the day taught that women could not were pants, even though in bible days men didn't were pants. The thought of a transsexual never crossed their minds it just didn't exist. They took the scripture to mean that a man wore pants and a women wore dresses. Homosexuality and the like was not even in their coherence. I like that.
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How are you different from the conservative Muslim male who would force his beliefs on others if he could?
 
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