Is this lawful for Jesus?

[PatientSpirit]

Matthew 20:9:15

9And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.

10But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.

11And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,

12Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.

13But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?

14Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.

15Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?


I ask, is it LAWFUL for Jesus to do what He wills with HIS OWN?

 

[zone]

okay...i'll bite.

Yes. it is Lawful for Jesus to do as He will with His own.

is this a set-up for universalism?

 

[Agravesx]

Well, considering Jesus is the law itself, yes, yes it is.

 

[exbi-savedbygrace]

I'd say this is a better set up for election and predestination.

 

[PatientSpirit]

I say 60 plus views so far and only 4 votes!?

And NONE of those who viewed the thread WOULD EVER VOTE NO.

A simple enough question I thought. But why do we make it complicated?

 

[zone]

I say 60 plus views so far and only 4 votes!?

And NONE of those who viewed the thread WOULD EVER VOTE NO.

A simple enough question I thought. But why do we make it complicated?

who is making that particular question complicated, patient?
not sure what you mean.

 

[PatientSpirit]

who is making that particular question complicated, patient?
not sure what you mean.

I'm saying atleast 40 people have viewed the thread. It's an obvious no brainer of an answer, and yet it seems avoided like the plague!

You see it before you. And yet you yourself are prepared to complicate the obvious with a sort of "yeah but" approach. But you atleast answered the question honestly.

 

[zone]

I'm saying atleast 40 people have viewed the thread. It's an obvious no brainer of an answer, and yet it seems avoided like the plague!

You see it before you. And yet you yourself are prepared to complicate the obvious with a sort of "yeah but" approach. But you atleast answered the question honestly.

mkay.
really though. is such an obvious question with an obvious answer needed?
maybe people aren't avoiding it like the plague, but are rather seeing a set-up ahead.
c'mon patient....
anyhoo.

 

[PatientSpirit]

mkay.
really though. is such an obvious question with an obvious answer needed?
maybe people aren't avoiding it like the plague, but are rather seeing a set-up ahead.
c'mon patient....
anyhoo.

Not a set up. Just truth in it's upmost simplicity. Does Jesus have a right to do what He wills what what He owns?

They do not however avoid it because of an obvious "setup". It is avoided because their eye is evil and He is good!

Who does All souls belong to?

So I ask is it LAWFUL for Jesus to save all (again do what He wants to what He owns)?

 

[zone]

Not a set up. Just truth in it's upmost simplicity. Does Jesus have a right to do what He wills what what He owns?

They do not however avoid it because of an obvious "setup". It is avoided because their eye is evil and He is good!

Who does All souls belong to?

So I ask is it LAWFUL for Jesus to save all (again do what He wants to what He owns)?

mkay.

universalism isn't written, unfortunately patient.
that was a nice effort though.

i'll stay out of it.

 

[PatientSpirit]

mkay.

universalism isn't written, unfortunately patient.
that was a nice effort though.

i'll stay out of it.

Neither is the trinity. But still I will be banned long before any one of those are!

And THEY CLAIM TO BE TRINITARIANS.

Please find ONE post in which I stated or claimed to be in such a religion?
I've been doing this about 3 years now and can put on one hand those whom I've ran into that even believes all will be saved!

Where is this church of universalism? I know no such thing. But I DO know that ALL who come to Jesus will in no wise be cast out. And ALL will be drawn to Him.

 

[Crossfire]

Matthew 20:9:15

9And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.

10But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.

11And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,

12Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.

13But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?

14Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.

15Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?


I ask, is it LAWFUL for Jesus to do what He wills with HIS OWN?

Jesus himself stated "I do not seek after my own will but only that which I see the Father doing" so technically the answer is NO.

 

[PatientSpirit]

Jesus himself stated "I do not seek after my own will but only that which I see the Father doing" so technically the answer is NO.

So what IS that will of the Father that Jesus came to do? And was ALL given into Jesus' hands for that very purpose?

 

[Crossfire]

So what IS that will of the Father that Jesus came to do? And was ALL given into Jesus' hands for that very purpose?

The doctrine of Universal Salvation is found no where in Bible, that is if you embrace the Bible as a whole and do not attempt to pick through and highlight certain scriptures while ignoring others, so I don't see the point of having this discussion much less debating this issue.

 

[PatientSpirit]

The doctrine of Universal Salvation is found no where in Bible, that is if you embrace the Bible as a whole and do not attempt to pick through and highlight certain scriptures while ignoring others, so I don't see the point of having this discussion much less debating this issue.

I know. Because you love the lie and darkness.

I have to laugh every time someone mentioning me as not taking all of scripture into account. I do...


Galatians 3:22

22*But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.


Do I need to post the meaning of "conclusion"? And before you even start on "them that believe":



Romans 11:32

32*For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.



Again, do I need to post the definition of the word "concluded"?

 

[Crossfire]

I know. Because you love the lie and darkness.

Who's judging who now?

Careful my friend, your fruit is showing.

 

[PatientSpirit]

Who's judging who now?

Careful my friend, your fruit is showing.

My judgement is true! You WILL stand victorious with me! But in the flesh you are blind and would rather kill than save.

The Triune Creator, as revealed within the pages of the Holy Bible, is the only true God.

This can be proven by testing what the scriptures state regarding physical things, and, when found to be true, then we can be assured that the spiritual things are likewise correct.

A person must be Trinitarian to be worshiping the one true God.

Anything other is to worship a false god.

I pulled this off of another thread. THIS is accepted whether you believe in the trinity or not! He has condemned as many as you, and yet this type of thinking is embraced!

And "trinity" is no where in the bible!

 

[Love4Truth]

Neither is Eternal torment but that doesn't stop people from believing in it, and embracing others who believe it as well. And that would be fine, if they would also embrace those that believe in all being saved.

For we are to Love others as He has loved us, Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

But the bottom line is, more would be willing to embrace those that believe in "Eternal Torment" than those who believe "All being Saved".

That never ceases to amaze me.


God Bless

 

[starfield]

Jesus' mission was to obey the Father's will which was to die on the cross for the sins of the whole world.
John 6:40- And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jesus said "not my will, but thine, be done" in Gethsemane when He was in deep agony, so He had a will at that moment ("O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt"), yet submitted to the Father's.
John 6:38- For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

I believe that also proves the Trinity- one God in three persons.

Thank you Jesus for your immeasurable love for us. Thank you for enduring the cross so that all who believe in You will have eternal life!

 

[Love4Truth]

Jesus' mission was to obey the Father's will which was to die on the cross for the sins of the whole world.
John 6:40- And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jesus said "not my will, but thine, be done" in Gethsemane when He was in deep agony, so He had a will at that moment ("O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt"), yet submitted to the Father's.
John 6:38- For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

I believe that also proves the Trinity- one God in three persons.

Thank you Jesus for your immeasurable love for us. Thank you for enduring the cross so that all who believe in You will have eternal life!

But see, that's his point, I don't see Trinity in those scriptures at all, but that does not keep me from loving you, no matter what you believe. The point is why can't we love one another no matter what we believe, and trust The Father to change in us what needs changing?

See, you wouldn't be banned for believing what you just posted, but if I go to pulling out to many scriptures that I believe back up what I believe and see, (just like you did) I would get banned.
And those that own this site have that right, but it doesn't make it right, does it?

God Bless