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Drett

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I always felt that this counts for the Islam and other false religions

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
How do you feel about this ?
Hi Lisa

Why would Satan take a bunch of people praying to idols and teach them the concept of one God and tell them of the Jewish prophets ? I would have thought Satan would be thinking if it aren't broke don't fix it.
 

zone

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It isn't about how someone feels, but about how God is revealed through the verses you quoted. So it should not be a surprise that the tree that bears anti-Zionist fruit includes.........
wait....what?

what does Zionism have to do with Jesus petewaldo?

oh ya...it is antichrist.

what an hypocrite....still linking to ellis' DOR is the AOD, eh?
 
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Interesting, I always thought in Gods eyes richness and privilege means nothing. I think Jesus liked to hang out with the poor and humble rather that the aristocrats.
I dunno. Maybe more civilised people prefer a more civilised religion lol
 
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PeteWaldo

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In the typical fashion of Islam's dissimulators you spew false accusation without specifics. Why don't you put your big boy pants on and BE SPECIFIC about which point I addressed, or which quotes I copy and pasted from the Quran or hadith, are false or are propaganda.

you people have not any information about Islam.
So you begin your false accusation with a lie. The information is in fact readily available, that I provided from ISLAM'S own books. The most sanitized Yusuf Ali version of the Quran, and Sahih Al-Bukhari for the Hadith, which Muslims consider to be second only to the Quran in divine inspiration. The same books that expose Muhammad and his boys as prisoner rapist thieves. Click on this link to Al-Bukhari for openers:
Search the word coitus in the Hadith (Hadis) Books (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu-Dawud, and Malik's Muwatta)

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence. (Book #34, Hadith #432)

The only concern being what would happen to the prices of their poor rape victims if they impregnated them.

you don't have the correct information.you are under the influence of propaganda against Islam.
So then you believe that Christ was crucified, died and was resurrected? You believe the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel? Of course you don't because Satan compels you to reject it:

1Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Or do you believe Muhammad's filthy satanic lie that Christ was not crucified, that compels his followers to REJECT the blood of the Lamb of God, that would save Muhammad's followers from sin? In fact you are even taught the satanic filth that Jesus will come back as a Muslim and break the cross:

Bukhari B34 #425: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the cross

This is how we can know that Islam comes from straight out of the pit of hell and the father of lies himself. Islam is the EXACT OPPOSITE of that revealed through the 1600 year record of YHWH to mankind. Islam is ANTICHRIST:
IS ISLAM ANTICHRIST?

so u don't have the right to judge others or their religion.......The false allegations and propaganda against Islam has tried to hide the bright face and real teachings of Islam...though ,in spite of that its not proving successful.more and more people are coming towards it when reality is revealed on them...
That's ridiculous. Every lie you have been taught about pre-Muhammad any Islam was created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD, without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 6th century, yet it masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history. In other words, Islamic so-called "tradition" is pure fictional poppycock, revolving around the town of Mecca for which there is not a shred of evidenceb that it ever existed before the 4th century AD. Let alone the geographical impossibility of Abraham, Hagar or Ishmael ever having been within 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was eventually settled in the 4th century AD.
THE EVIDENCE FOR ISLAM

Those people who call Muslims terrorist never try to look at the atrocities and brutalities committed by USA and other nations in Afghanistan,Iraq,Palestine etc.........
That's because this discussion is about God as revealed through our respective books, not about what governments or men do - except as commanded through our respective books. Here's the Quran on the subject:

Bukhari B78 #627 Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet said, "O followers of Muhammad!....."

Quran Surah 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle

Of course it would be pure blasphemy for a Christian to testify to that filthy lie.

Quran Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
JIHAD AND ISLAMIC TERRORISM
 
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PeteWaldo

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Why they don't take notice of their terrorism........
This from a guy who follows one of the most consummate, and conveniently self-admitted terrorists in the history of mankind:

Surah 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things."
JIHAD AND ISLAMIC TERRORISM

The interference of USA in Islamic countries is not a hidden fact....

Muslims believe in one God who is the creator of this universe and all human beings...Who sent prophets in this world to guide human beings........
Satan himself deceived you into believing that. You even proclaim Jesus as a great prophet, even as you reject Jesus' prophecies of His own crucifixion, death and resurrection:

Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.

Jesus cited fulfillment of His earlier prophecy after He had risen from the dead:

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

You see my friend? You will never find the ONE true God until you are willing to seek out the truth. You probably even claim you believe in Jesus, even as you reject the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel through which He revealed Himself - His crucifixion, death and resurrection, that saves all from sin who have faith in His shed blood.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Yet you must reject all of the prophets and witnesses of the one true God of the scriptures, to follow Muhammad alone, through adopted, adapted and thinly veneered Arabian pagan moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals.
WHAT IS RAMADAN?

........Who is only one and powerfull and does not have any Son.......
Satan convinced you of that, in direct contradition to the HUNDREDS OF VERSES in the Gospel that proclaim the Father and His Son.
JESUS: THE SON OF GOD
GOD THE FATHER

....... or daughter.....
Qur'an is the last message sent by God and Islam is a real blessing of God almighty.
If Muhammad was a messenger of the ONE great God of the scriptures - YHWH - and Muhammad's 23-year 7th century record were true, then all of the prophets and witnesses in the 1600 year record of YHWH to mankind, whose people have followed Him through two covenants for 3500 years, were false.
 
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PeteWaldo

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Where is Christ in Islam?
One place Christ is proclaimed blasphemously in the Quran, is through a plagiarized and edited 2nd century Egyptian Apocryphal fable, in which Jesus is alleged to have spoken from the cradle as an infant. Here is how the fable went:

"... Jesus spake when he was in the cradle, and said to his mother: "Mary, I am Jesus the Son of God, the Word, which thou didst bring forth according to the declaration of the angel Gabriel, and My Father hath sent me for the salvation of the world."[1]

Here is the way Muhammad apparently edited that fable for the Quran:

Sura 3:46 He shall preach to men in his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life.

Sura 19:28 "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" 29 But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?" 30 He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet; 31 "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live; 32 "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable; 33 "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!

This creation has a profound impact on Islam. Even though Muslims believe that Jesus never died but was raised physically to heaven (which requires denial of the whole subject of the Gospel), and they believe Jesus has been immortal for the last 2,000 years, because of Muhammad's plagiarism of that Egyptian fable his followers are compelled to believe that Jesus will return to earth after 2,000 years of immortality, and then die! Even be buried next to Muhammad! Thus Muslims have only been fooled into believing, that they believe in Jesus, even though they must reject the whole subject of the Gospel through which He is revealed!
More of Muhammad's fables here.
 
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PeteWaldo

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Interesting, I always thought in Gods eyes richness and privilege means nothing. I think Jesus liked to hang out with the poor and humble rather that the aristocrats.
Their point with the popularity of Islam in the 3rd world (besides Muhammadan murder of those who do not bend to the will of Muhammad's followers), is that they are generally as illiterate, as Muhammad's 7th century followers. Yet even in the 7th century, after Muhammad told his tall tale of having ridden on a flying donkey-mule from Mecca - to the temple mount in Jerusalem, up to heaven, and back to Mecca by morning - many of his even illiterate followers had the good sense to abandon his nonsense back in the 7th century. So what's up with literate Muslims in today's information age?
MOHAMMED'S NIGHT JOURNEY

And what did Muhammad claim he came back with from the "paradise" of his overactive imagination? Pure satanic blasphemy against Jesus Christ and "them that dwell in heaven":

Bukhari:V4B55N607 "Allah’s Apostle said, 'On the night of my Ascension to Heaven, I saw Moses who was a thin person, looking like one of the men of the tribe of Shanua; and I saw Jesus with a red face as if he had just come out of a bathroom.

Just as prophesied of THE false prophet Muhammad's Islamic kingdom "beast":

Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
BLASPHEMY LAWS
 
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Surah 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them
This is an ayah that is commonly quoted out of context, both historical context and the context of the verse itself in the Quran. Let us first examine the full verse:

Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

It was for Angels who supported muslims in Badr.

The story is mentioned in "Sahih Muslim":
It has been narrated on the authority of 'Umar b. al-Khattab who said:

When it was the day on which the Battle of Badr was fought, the Messenger of God (may peace be upon him) cast a glance at the infidels, and they were one thousand while his own Companions were three hundred and nineteen. The Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) turned (his face) towards the Qibla Then he stretched his hands and began his supplication to his Lord:

"O God, accomplish for me what Thou hast promised to me. O God, bring about what Thou hast promised to me. O God, if this small band of Muslims is destroyed. Thou will not be worshipped on this earth."
He continued his supplication to his Lord, stretching his hands, facing the Qibla, until his mantle slipped down from his shoulders.

So Abu Bakr ( his favourate companion )came to him, picked up his mantle and put it on his shoulders. Then he embraced him from behind and said:.

Prophet of Allah, this prayer of yours to your Lord will suffice you, and He will fulfil for you what He has promised you.
So Allah, the Glorious and Exalted, revealed (the Qur'anic verse): "When ye appealed to your Lord for help, He responded to your call (saying): I will help you with one thousand angels coming in succession." So God helped him with angels.

While on that day a Muslim was chasing a disbeliever who was going ahead of him, he heard over him' the swishing of the whip and the voice of the rider saying: Go ahead, Haizi'm ! He glanced at the polytheist who had (now) fallen down on his back. When he looked at him (carefully he found that) there was a scar on his nose and his face was torn as if it had been lashed with a whip, and had turned green with its poison. An Ansari came to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and related this (event) to him. He said: You have told the truth. This was the help from the third heaven.
The Muslims that day (i.e. the day of the Battle of Badr) killed seventy persons and captured seventy.

On the other hand, We read the following from the Bible:
Arise, O LORD, let not man triumph; let the nations be judged in your presence. Strike them with terror O LORD; let the nations know they are but men. Selah (Psalms 9: 19-20)
 

zone

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In the typical fashion of Islam's dissimulators you spew false accusation without specifics. Why don't you put your big boy pants on and BE SPECIFIC about which point I addressed, or which quotes I copy and pasted from the Quran or hadith, are false or are propaganda.

JIHAD AND ISLAMIC TERRORISM
from your propaganda site:

CHRISTIAN ZIONISM

CHRISTIAN ZIONISM

dont know what the word Christian is there for...but anyways.

aaaawwwww....look at the pitcher from your hate site:



savages raging - next to supremely intelligent (check your sites actual appalling chart comparing these pseudo-science things) mild mannered scientist.

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how about this one:





what a brave and noble man.

Islam is anitchrist
Israel is antichrist.

okay Pete...now you have a correct and balanced view.
 
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PeteWaldo

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Hi Lisa

Why would Satan take a bunch of people praying to idols.......
This from a guy who prostrates himself toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and kaaba, in Mecca, five times a day. Is even expected to travel to it, march around it as the Arabian pagans did before Muhammad was ever born, and kiss it as Muhammad did, or at least point to it on each trip around the kaaba if too crowded. March around it as the Arabian pagans and Muhammad's followers did, shoulder to shoulder, up until the year before Muhammad's last Hajj, when he kicked the poor pagans out of their own ritual!

Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 689: Narrated Abu Huraira: In the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Allahs Apostle made Abu Bakr the leader of the pilgrims, the latter (Abu Bakr) sent me in the company of a group of people to make a public announcement: 'No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year, and no naked person is allowed to perform Tawaf of the Kaba.'

Just imagine a bunch of naked pagans and Muslims circumambulating the kaaba! The pagans of course, in their usual tradition of Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship, that Muhammad adopted, adapted and thinly veneered to fit his anti-religion of Islam.
brotherpete.com

.........and teach them the concept of one God and tell them of the Jewish prophets ? I would have thought Satan would be thinking if it aren't broke don't fix it.
Satan is thinking "these folks are a real pushover, because they received not the love of the truth. All it takes is a little child psychology. Make them parrot "I seek shelter from Satan" so they are fooled into believing they actually receive it". While they merrily skip down the path, straight into Satan's arms.
Separating themselves from God forever through their unforgiven sins, because they REJECT the Gospel of Jesus Christ - the Son of God.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
STRONG DELUSION
 
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PeteWaldo

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This is an ayah that is commonly quoted out of context, both historical context and the context of the verse itself in the Quran.
Muhammad is a self-admitted terrorist.
Search the word terror in the Quran Koran Qur'an القران الكريم
You won't be very well served by avoiding the most important subjects, as detailed in the earlier post (at the second link following), which is the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Son of God, who saves all from dying in sin, who have faith in His shed blood - the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel - not a stretch to suggest the WHOLE SUBJECT of the WHOLE BIBLE, particularly as revealed through prophecy.
THE LAMB SLAIN
Why don't you start there, and after reconciling that, we can work our way down to less important subjects.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/66174-islam-2.html#post1264749
 
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Desciple4life

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1 corinthians 10:21- [FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You cannot drink from the cup of the Lord and from the cup of demons, too. You cannot eat at the Lord's Table and at the table of demons, too.[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The next thing I would lek to share, is how if you actually trace the religions, Do your own biblical study. Pick up history books and seek the truth. You will learn that most religions have been formed from followers of satan. Mislead and misguided. Why do you think ancient religions praised serpents? and false gods? and had knowledge that was so much more advanced than other [/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]civilizations.. They were taught these things by none other than satan himself. There is a reason the bible lists off linage before certain books. So if you really want to look into in depth.. I would start here, God- created adam and eve- adam and eve created- cain and able- what happened, CAIN follows satan- kills able- and its not till later seth is born. Almost all other religion can be traced back to followers of Cain/satan.

The reason i say almost all is because of Judaism. The Jews were Gods people. BUt what happened? Jesus came! our true savior came and laid his life down for us! The real Jewish people who believed "converted." The non believers in christ as our Messiah continued what they call the Jewish faith.. But if they were all believers at that time of Christ, Judaism would have ended. It didnt end, and now you have
[/FONT] Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, and Reconstructionist. Who do you think did this? God? no way! God didn't intent on us to have more than 1 religion. This is all the work of satan. What he did do was send his son (Jesus) to clear things up. Some listened. Some didn't. Its your free choice to do what you want.

The sad part is this has happened in modern day christianity as well. even though the bible clearly speaks agains it.

1 corinthians 1:10-17-
I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I just want to be clear. I am not attacking your faith or your domination. Satan wants us to be divided. weather you are Jew, Or baptist, or perspiration. or Catholic... or whatever. I just know that its each persons own free will to chose what religion to follow.

Butt what I have learned is it is about your spirit- not your religion! Someone who's Spirit is truly for Jesus christ. Will pick up the word of God, Study it, Find the truth, And let God speak to them about what is right and wrong.
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Hi Lisa

Why would Satan take a bunch of people praying to idols and teach them the concept of one God and tell them of the Jewish prophets ? I would have thought Satan would be thinking if it aren't broke don't fix it.
The ancient serpent is subtle ! Muslims are still praying to idols; look at the black stone in the Mecca !
If bowing 5 times daily before that black stone is not idolatry, then I don't know what it is !
Muhammad was an antichrist,
and Muhammad the false prophet was an undercover agent from the inquisition from the Vatican !
That's why muslims and nazis were getting along so well at the time of Hitler !
 
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PeteWaldo

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These 7 results must be put side by side with the findings from the bible (91 Results).
BibleGateway - Quick search: terror
That's the whole point with you Islamic blasphemers that follow the false prophet Muhammad alone, who should be in absolute terror of the ONE true God of the scriptures of the Jews and Christians, as you prostrate yourselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca. When you stand outside the Spirit of God, while swimming in the blasphemy of the false prophet Muhammad, it isn't surprising you are unable to understand the scriptures. Unlike Muhammad's heavily abrogated 23 year 7th century record, the 1600 year record of YHWH to mankind through all of His prophets and witnesses is a historical record began early in the history of mankind, as YHWH revealed Himself through a progressive revelation over a period of 1600 years.

Yet unlike the 7th century and to this day female prisoner rape, pillage, plunder and thievery of Muhammad and his boys, (quoting Don Richardson reports in "Secrets of the Koran") "By Muhammad's day, 1,500 years had passed since any Hebrew prophet was described in the Old Testament as using a sword in the service of God. Neither Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Micah, Amos, Malachi nor any other later Hebrew prophet is described as using the sword or prescribing its use."

Still running and hiding from the rest of the very post you are pretending to respond to. I would imagine my presumption is correct that you weren't going to finish, or offer a substantive response, based on the post. Running and hiding from the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. Satan runs and hides from the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel too!
THE FALSE PROPHET MUHAMMAD
Satan runs and hides from the Son of God too!
IS ISLAM ANTICHRIST?
 
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PeteWaldo

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Truth it's the new hate speeech.

Best of luck to you!
Indeed bro. It is a daunting task, as evidenced by the non-responsiveness and blasphemy of the sorely deluded followers of the false prophet Muhammad, in this forum!
STRONG DELUSION

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." ~ George Orwell
"ISLAMOPHOBIA" OR CHRISTIAN LOVE?
 
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Islam is the worship of satan wrapped up in a wrapper of deceit.
 

zone

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That's the whole point with you Islamic blasphemers that follow the false prophet Muhammad alone, who should be in absolute terror of the ONE true God of the scriptures of the Jews and Christians
hey....i already corrected this for you.

1 John 2:23
No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

do you need this spelled out again?

do you know what NO ONE means?
 

zone

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Indeed bro. It is a daunting task, as evidenced by the non-responsiveness and blasphemy of the sorely deluded followers of the false prophet Muhammad, in this forum!
STRONG DELUSION

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." ~ George Orwell
"ISLAMOPHOBIA" OR CHRISTIAN LOVE?
ISLAM: By Biblical Definition - ANTICHRIST.

1 John 2:23
No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

does no one mean no one?

or does it mean no one except Christians and unbelieving Zionists?

who does this apply to Pete:

1 John 2:23
No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.