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Of course they were promised a spiritual Kingdom, the unbelieving "stiff neckers" of the 1st century where looking for a nation dirt based kingdom, that is not what Christ was promising.
(John 6:15 KJV) When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.
He could have established the physical kingdom right there, by departing he refused a physical kingdom.
End of story for a physical kingdom.
(John 6:15 KJV) When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.
He could have established the physical kingdom right there, by departing he refused a physical kingdom.
End of story for a physical kingdom.
The truth is it is Israel all the way.
Old Testament given to them,and Gentiles could tag along.
New Testament given to them,and Jesus said salvation is of the Jews,and God said He will make a new covenant with Israel,and Gentiles can tag along,in which they become a Jew inward,and become part of the commonwealth of Israel.
The millennial reign of Christ given to them in which God will restore the kingdom to them,which the disciples asked if Jesus would do it at that time,and said,the Father will do it later,in which God will make a full end of all nations,but will not make a full end of Israel.
Physical dominion always to be Israel,they lost it temporarily,but will get it back in the future.
The New Jerusalem given to them.
It is Israel all the way,and Israel is the Church.
It does not matter if a lot of Jews rejected Jesus,it does not take away the spiritual covenant from them,for many Jews accepted Jesus,even to this day,and Paul said God always has a remnant that follow Him in the truth.
Salvation is of the Jews.
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
If the Church replaces Israel,or if God cast His people away,or they are not important,then why is the names of the 12 tribes of Israel,and the 12 apostles of the Lamb,written in the New Jerusalem,the final destination of the saints for all eternity.
Old Testament given to them,and Gentiles could tag along.
New Testament given to them,and Jesus said salvation is of the Jews,and God said He will make a new covenant with Israel,and Gentiles can tag along,in which they become a Jew inward,and become part of the commonwealth of Israel.
The millennial reign of Christ given to them in which God will restore the kingdom to them,which the disciples asked if Jesus would do it at that time,and said,the Father will do it later,in which God will make a full end of all nations,but will not make a full end of Israel.
Physical dominion always to be Israel,they lost it temporarily,but will get it back in the future.
The New Jerusalem given to them.
It is Israel all the way,and Israel is the Church.
It does not matter if a lot of Jews rejected Jesus,it does not take away the spiritual covenant from them,for many Jews accepted Jesus,even to this day,and Paul said God always has a remnant that follow Him in the truth.
Salvation is of the Jews.
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
If the Church replaces Israel,or if God cast His people away,or they are not important,then why is the names of the 12 tribes of Israel,and the 12 apostles of the Lamb,written in the New Jerusalem,the final destination of the saints for all eternity.
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that's not entirely accurate there willie Jewish people can still choose to believe on Jesus as Savior at anytime they choose,many Jewish are more of "waiting" on a messiah,soon though as it is prophesied in the book of Revelation they will be "enlightened" in a manner that will "prove" whom their "Messiah"'is,until then though they can choose one belief or the other but not both,I understand what you mean but we are never to rule out the"possibility" of some Jewish people deciding "Early" that Jesus is their Savior and Messiah.
You are forgetting everything you read in the NT. Jesus chose twelve Jews for his disciples, which represented the twelve tribes of Israel. everybody he preached to were Jews. The gospel was to be preached first to the Jews, and then later on, the Gentiles, which Paul had the privilege of preaching to which was instructed by Jesus . Some Jews were saved and some was not. just like some Gentiles were saved, and some not. The rest of the twelve tribes had been blinded from hearing the Gospel.
Physical Israelites are no longer God's people. In John chapter one, Jesus came to His own people, but they would not receive Him. Therefore God switched to adoption (whosoever will). You are no longer God's people because of physicality. Everyone, including Israelites, must be baptized into Christ in order to be God's people today.
If what you say is true then (1) the Church will be divided into 12 tribes to live on earth and (2) the New Jerusalem will remain vacant even though God Himself built that city. (3) Also all the promises to redeemed and restored Israel will be nullified just like that.
Do you see the gross fallacy of this Replacement Theology? Time to go back to square one.
Do you see the gross fallacy of this Replacement Theology? Time to go back to square one.
Why? Jesus ignored tribal divisions. And no one will live on earth after the church is raptured.
The new Jerusalem is the bride of Christ (Rev 21.2), the children of God,
The promises to Israel are fulfilled in Christ
I do not believe in replacement theology, I believe in the doctrine of the remnant (Rom 9.27), which continued as Israel and were joined by Gentiles who believed (Rom 11.2-24) forming the new Israel.
Square one agrees with me
The new Jerusalem is the bride of Christ (Rev 21.2), the children of God,
The promises to Israel are fulfilled in Christ
I do not believe in replacement theology, I believe in the doctrine of the remnant (Rom 9.27), which continued as Israel and were joined by Gentiles who believed (Rom 11.2-24) forming the new Israel.
Square one agrees with me
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The big question is when God's punishment, a year for every missed Sabbath, was completed.
Leviticus 26
33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.
34 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths.
35 As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it.
36 And upon them that are left alive of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth.
37 And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies.
38 And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up.
39 And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them.
40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
43 The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.
44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the Lord their God.
45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the Lord.
46 These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the Lord made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.
The big question is when God's punishment, a year for every missed Sabbath, was completed.
Leviticus 26
33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.
34 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths.
35 As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it.
36 And upon them that are left alive of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth.
37 And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies.
38 And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up.
39 And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them.
40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
43 The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.
44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the Lord their God.
45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the Lord.
46 These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the Lord made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.
My thoughts are that under the First Covenant, God's chosen people were a Nation. The Nation of Israel.....the Jews.
Under the New Covenant, God's chosen people are the Church........what Paul called the "true Jews."
Can read Jude as well. To see that we are called and kept.
Jude
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1 .) Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
2 .) Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
3 .) Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Under the New Covenant, God's chosen people are the Church........what Paul called the "true Jews."
Can read Jude as well. To see that we are called and kept.
Jude
1
1 .) Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
2 .) Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
3 .) Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
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Make your mind up!!
Heb 11:8
By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed to go out unto a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9
By faith he became a sojourner in the land of promise, as in a land not his own, dwelling in tents, with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10
for he looked for the city which hath the foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Heb 11:11
By faith even Sarah herself received power to conceive seed when she was past age, since she counted him faithful who had promised:
Heb 11:12
wherefore also there sprang of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of heaven in multitude, and as the sand, which is by the sea shore, innumerable.
Heb 11:13
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14
For they that say such things make it manifest that they are seeking after a country of their own.
Heb 11:15
And if indeed they had been mindful of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return.
Heb 11:16
But now they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed of them, to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Seems to disagree with your ideas?
Heb 11:8
By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed to go out unto a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9
By faith he became a sojourner in the land of promise, as in a land not his own, dwelling in tents, with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10
for he looked for the city which hath the foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Heb 11:11
By faith even Sarah herself received power to conceive seed when she was past age, since she counted him faithful who had promised:
Heb 11:12
wherefore also there sprang of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of heaven in multitude, and as the sand, which is by the sea shore, innumerable.
Heb 11:13
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14
For they that say such things make it manifest that they are seeking after a country of their own.
Heb 11:15
And if indeed they had been mindful of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return.
Heb 11:16
But now they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed of them, to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Seems to disagree with your ideas?
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