Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

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BenjaminN

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Ben we now are back at Rev 20:1-6, you have run in a complete circle now.

Once again, Ezekiels Temple isn't seen as you claim, just admit the fact in truth

Quote BenjaminN:
Revelations 20 onward
, from the return of Christ Yeshua to earth, he is in the midst of God's people, and God's Shekinah also moves into the Ezekiel temple

Your claim is false, you state Ezekiels temple is seen in Rev 20?

As you clearly see below in Rev 20:1-6 Jesus Christ isnt seen on this earth, nor is their a physical temple seen as you claim.

That seen in Rev 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lords (Spiritual Realm)

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

Where Is Ezekiels Temple On This Earth Seen Below, (Nowhere)

Will You Continue To Falsely Teach That A Temple Is Seen Below?

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
What does the words: in verse 6: "they shall be priests of God and of Christ " signify to you, when there's no physical temple around?
 

Truth7t7

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What does the words: in verse 6: "they shall be priests of God and of Christ " signify to you, when there's no physical temple around?
Your still on the run, no temple is seen in Rev 20, None

Quote BenjaminN:
Revelations 20 onward
, from the return of Christ Yeshua to earth, he is in the midst of God's people, and God's Shekinah also moves into the Ezekiel temple

Your claim is false, you state Ezekiels temple is seen in Rev 20?

As you clearly see below in Rev 20:1-6 Jesus Christ isnt seen on this earth, nor is their a physical temple seen as you claim.

That seen in Rev 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lords (Spiritual Realm)

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

Where Is Ezekiels Temple On This Earth Seen Below, (Nowhere)

Will You Continue To Falsely Teach That A Temple Is Seen Below?

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 

BenjaminN

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Your still on the run, no temple is seen in Rev 20, None

Quote BenjaminN:
Revelations 20 onward
, from the return of Christ Yeshua to earth, he is in the midst of God's people, and God's Shekinah also moves into the Ezekiel temple

Your claim is false, you state Ezekiels temple is seen in Rev 20?

As you clearly see below in Rev 20:1-6 Jesus Christ isnt seen on this earth, nor is their a physical temple seen as you claim.

That seen in Rev 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lords (Spiritual Realm)

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

Where Is Ezekiels Temple On This Earth Seen Below, (Nowhere)

Will You Continue To Falsely Teach That A Temple Is Seen Below?

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
"priests" = temple
 

Truth7t7

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#64
"priests" = temple
Priests Dosent Equal A Temple, Your Still On The Run, No Temple Is Seen In Rev 20, You Got Any More Rabbits In That Hat :)

Just Admit The Truth, No Temple Is Seen, (None)

Quote BenjaminN:
Revelations 20 onward
, from the return of Christ Yeshua to earth, he is in the midst of God's people, and God's Shekinah also moves into the Ezekiel temple

Your claim is false, you state Ezekiels temple is seen in Rev 20?

As you clearly see below in Rev 20:1-6 Jesus Christ isnt seen on this earth, nor is their a physical temple seen as you claim.

That seen in Rev 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lords (Spiritual Realm)

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

Where Is Ezekiels Temple On This Earth Seen Below, (Nowhere)

Will You Continue To Falsely Teach That A Temple Is Seen Below?

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 

BenjaminN

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#65
Priests Dosent Equal A Temple, Your Still On The Run, No Temple Is Seen In Rev 20, You Got Any More Rabbits In That Hat :)

Just Admit The Truth, No Temple Is Seen, (None)

Quote BenjaminN:
Revelations 20 onward
, from the return of Christ Yeshua to earth, he is in the midst of God's people, and God's Shekinah also moves into the Ezekiel temple

Your claim is false, you state Ezekiels temple is seen in Rev 20?

As you clearly see below in Rev 20:1-6 Jesus Christ isnt seen on this earth, nor is their a physical temple seen as you claim.

That seen in Rev 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lords (Spiritual Realm)

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

Where Is Ezekiels Temple On This Earth Seen Below, (Nowhere)

Will You Continue To Falsely Teach That A Temple Is Seen Below?

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Truth to you, "priests" = ?
 

Truth7t7

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#66
Truth to you, "priests" = ?
All believers are made kings/priests

Those seen in Rev 20:1-6 are the very same believers seen in Rev 6:9-17 below, those that die during the tribulation enter this non literal 1,000 year reign.

Ben when you look at the verses below, they are 100% in the spiritual realm of the Lord, 1,000 years isnt Literal earthly time, one day is a thousand years as seen below in 2 Peter 3:8, no literal time

It could have read a billion, zillion years, no physical earthly time in the Lords spiritual realm that is seen in Rev 20:1-6

2Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 6:9-17KJV
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
 

BenjaminN

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#67
All believers are made kings/priests

Those seen in Rev 20:1-6 are the very same believers seen in Rev 6:9-17 below, those that die during the tribulation enter this non literal 1,000 year reign.

Ben when you look at the verses below, they are 100% in the spiritual realm of the Lord, 1,000 years isnt Literal earthly time, one day is a thousand years as seen below in 2 Peter 3:8, no literal time

It could have read a billion, zillion years, no physical earthly time in the Lords spiritual realm that is seen in Rev 20:1-6

2Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 6:9-17KJV
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
I asked you about Revelations 20's battle of Gog and Magog happening on this earth, after the 1000 year reign of Christ Yeshua on this earth, and you deflected the conversation. If you want to make the 1000 years a one day reign of Christ Yeshua on this earth before the battle of Gog and Magog please do so, but it still does not fit your narrative, of this earth being dissolved at Christ Yeshua's next and final coming to this earth (which is actually dissolved AFTER the battle of Gog and Magog on this earth, when God brings us the new heaven and Earth in Revelation 21, following Revelation 20)
 
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Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed.

Galatians 3:26-30KJV
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

There are (Two) Israel's seen below.

1. Ethnic Israel Of The Flesh

2. Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed.

Gods word clearly states below, the children of the flesh (Ethnic Jews) they are not the children of God

Gods words below are very clear, and easy to understand.

Roman's 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed.

Galatians 3:26-30KJV
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

There are (Two) Israel's seen below.

1. Ethnic Israel Of The Flesh

2. Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed.

Gods word clearly states below, the children of the flesh (Ethnic Jews) they are not the children of God

Gods words below are very clear, and easy to understand.

Roman's 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Israel the church is that a movie or a new religion?
 

Truth7t7

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#69
I asked you about Revelations 20's battle of Gog and Magog happening on this earth, after the 1000 year reign of Christ Yeshua on this earth, and you deflected the conversation. If you want to make the 1000 years a one day reign of Christ Yeshua on this earth before the battle of Gog and Magog please do so, but it still does not fit your narrative, of this earth being dissolved at Christ Yeshua's next and final coming to this earth (which is actually dissolved AFTER the battle of Gog and Magog on this earth, when God brings us the new heaven and Earth in Revelation 21, following Revelation 20)
The bible teaches that 1,000 years is not literal, it's an expression of a long period of earthly time, one day is a thousand years, no measurement of time in the Lords spiritual realm seen In Rev 20:1-6

Those seen are reigning with Jesus Christ presently , and tribulation saints will be added to the numbers who die, up until the second coming,this represents the non literal 1,000 years seen.

The first resurrection is the very same future resurrection that all believers partake in, the second resurrection is of the wicked, unto the second death.

Satan is currently bound from one specific purpose, and this purpose alone (Deceiving The Nations To Battle) he is not bound from general deception and evil.

Conclusion: There will be a 3.5 year tribulation, Jesus Christ will return immediately after this tribulation in fire and Final judgement dissolving this earth by fire, the New Heaven, Earth , Jerusalem are revealed, judgement complete, eternity begins, simple.

There will be no future Millennial Kingdom on this earth, it is gone, dissolved by fire.
 

Truth7t7

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#70
Israel the church is that a movie or a new religion?
Dispensationalism in Zionism is the new movie and religion on the block, its Prophets, John N Darby and Adulterer C.I Scofield, false teachers just like Mormonisms Joseph Smith and Brigham Young

Israel Is The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed.
 

Truth7t7

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#71
I asked you about Revelations 20's battle of Gog and Magog happening on this earth, after the 1000 year reign of Christ Yeshua on this earth, and you deflected the conversation. If you want to make the 1000 years a one day reign of Christ Yeshua on this earth before the battle of Gog and Magog please do so, but it still does not fit your narrative, of this earth being dissolved at Christ Yeshua's next and final coming to this earth (which is actually dissolved AFTER the battle of Gog and Magog on this earth, when God brings us the new heaven and Earth in Revelation 21, following Revelation 20)
There will be no future 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth at the return of Jesus Christ

When Jesus Christ is (Revealed) (Appears) its fire time, not time for a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom

This Earth Will Be (Dissolved)

Your claim is in error, when Jesus Christ Appears/Reveals 2 Peter 3:10-11 takes place, we will disagree

There won't be a future Millennial Kingdom upon this earth at the return of Jesus Christ, it will be dissolved by fire, (Gone)

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

2 Peter 3:10-11KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
 

BenjaminN

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#72
The bible teaches that 1,000 years is not literal, it's an expression of a long period of earthly time, one day is a thousand years, no measurement of time in the Lords spiritual realm seen In Rev 20:1-6

Those seen are reigning with Jesus Christ presently , and tribulation saints will be added to the numbers who die, up until the second coming,this represents the non literal 1,000 years seen.

The first resurrection is the very same future resurrection that all believers partake in, the second resurrection is of the wicked, unto the second death.

Satan is currently bound from one specific purpose, and this purpose alone (Deceiving The Nations To Battle) he is not bound from general deception and evil.

Conclusion: There will be a 3.5 year tribulation, Jesus Christ will return immediately after this tribulation in fire and Final judgement dissolving this earth by fire, the New Heaven, Earth , Jerusalem are revealed, judgement complete, eternity begins, simple.

There will be no future Millennial Kingdom on this earth, it is gone, dissolved by fire.
As the great tribulation has not happened yet, the 1000 year period stated in Revelations 20:1-6 can not yet have commenced (because those resurrected, that did not take the mark of the beast during the great tribulation, rule with Christ Yeshua, during this period).

Notice those that would not take the mark of the beast during the great tribulation would then afterward during the 1000 year period stated in Revelations 20:1-6, be resurrected and rule with Christ Yeshua.

Your narrative does not fit Revelations 20:4, telling us that the 1000 years reign on earth of Christ Yeshua with the saints (whilst Satan is bounded), FOLLOWS the great tribulation. Of the saints ruling with Christ Yeshua were the ones who did not take the mark of the beast, priorly during the great tribulation.

If you say we live in this 1000 years currently, with the resurrected saints ruling with Christ on earth, are you saying the great tribulation is in the past, and that our politicians and kings currently on earth is the resurrected saints, and that Satan is bounded and have no might presently on this wanting earth??? Or are you saying that the great tribulation can happen during this 1000 year reign of Christ Yeshua, while the Satan is bound....????


Revelation 20 (KJV)


4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


Revelation 20 (ESV)


4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
 

BenjaminN

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Israel the church is that a movie or a new religion?
Dispensationalism in Zionism is the new movie and religion on the block, its Prophets, John N Darby and Adulterer C.I Scofield, false teachers just like Mormonisms Joseph Smith and Brigham Young

Israel Is The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed.
It's an old "movie", directed by the Jewish-born Apostle Paul, as revealed by the Jewish-born Christ Yeshua, and scripted in Romans 11:

skip to 1h13m : https://bit.ly/GentilesEphraimJewsJudahAt1h13m

Romans 11 (ESV)


25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob"; 27 "and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins."


Romans 11 (KJV)


25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
 

BenjaminN

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There will be no future 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth at the return of Jesus Christ

When Jesus Christ is (Revealed) (Appears) its fire time, not time for a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom

This Earth Will Be (Dissolved)

Your claim is in error, when Jesus Christ Appears/Reveals 2 Peter 3:10-11 takes place, we will disagree

There won't be a future Millennial Kingdom upon this earth at the return of Jesus Christ, it will be dissolved by fire, (Gone)

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

2 Peter 3:10-11KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
Yes, it is fire time but not dissolving time, at the return of Christ Yeshua, after the rapture that follows the great tribulation, whilst Christ Yeshua's children is raptured to the clouds with him, fire reigns down on the rest like in the days of Sodom and Gomorra. Like in the days of Sodom and Gomorra, the earth is not destroyed... yet... Christ Yeshua and his raptured children in the clouds, descends to earth, after the destruction of those not raptured, and the beast and false prophet is thrown into the bottomless pit. The martyrs gets resurrected, and live a 1000 years, to reign with Christ Yeshua over this earth, while Satan is bounded. After the 1000 years of Christ Yeshua's reign on earth, Satan is released for the final battle of Gog and Magog. After the battle of Gog and Magog, with Christ Yeshua ruling triumphantly, the Satan is thrown in the bottomless pit with the beast and false prophet. This earth and heaven gets dissolved then at the final judgement, when all people are destined either for the eternal lake of fire, or the new heaven and earth that is given by God at this stage, who will then be dwelling with the Son, and the redeemed on the new earth with the new heaven. Christ Yeshua's next and final second coming positioned at post-tribulation, pre-millenium, the classical millenialism, the way our church fathers understood the prophesies.
 

Truth7t7

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Yes, it is fire time but not dissolving time, at the return of Christ Yeshua, after the rapture that follows the great tribulation, whilst Christ Yeshua's children is raptured to the clouds with him, fire reigns down on the rest like in the days of Sodom and Gomorra. Like in the days of Sodom and Gomorra, the earth is not destroyed... yet... Christ Yeshua and his raptured children in the clouds, descends to earth, after the destruction of those not raptured, and the beast and false prophet is thrown into the bottomless pit. The martyrs gets resurrected, and live a 1000 years, to reign with Christ Yeshua over this earth, while Satan is bounded. After the 1000 years of Christ Yeshua's reign on earth, Satan is released for the final battle of Gog and Magog. After the battle of Gog and Magog, with Christ Yeshua ruling triumphantly, the Satan is thrown in the bottomless pit with the beast and false prophet. This earth and heaven gets dissolved then at the final judgement, when all people are destined either for the eternal lake of fire, or the new heaven and earth that is given by God at this stage, who will then be dwelling with the Son, and the redeemed on the new earth with the new heaven. Christ Yeshua's next and final second coming positioned at post-tribulation, pre-millenium, the classical millenialism, the way our church fathers understood the prophesies.
You now have control over Gods fire below?

It will be fire, but not dissolving fire?

You Have To Save That Millennial Kingdom On Earth, But Gods Words Below Teach Otherwise!

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved
, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God
, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 

BenjaminN

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You now have control over Gods fire below?

It will be fire, but not dissolving fire?

You Have To Save That Millennial Kingdom On Earth, But Gods Words Below Teach Otherwise!

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved
, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God
, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
I do not have control of anything... God's prophecies has, as they have to be fulfilled, otherwise the prophesies was not of God.

Sodom and Gomorrah (fire raining down) -> Great Tribulation -> Rapture at next and final coming of Christ Yeshua (fire raining down) -> First Resurrection of saints, 1000 Years reign of Christ Yeshua on this earth, Satan bounded -> Satan released for battle of Gog and Magog -> Satan cast in bottomless pit with beast and false prophet of the Great Tribulation -> All the dead called to judgement, Dissolving of this earth and heaven -> The lost cast in the eternal lake of fire -> The redeemed living with God and Christ Yeshua on the new earth with the new heaven

When fire rained down on Sodom and Gomorrah, the earth did not get dissolved. The earth only gets dissolved at the end of the 1000 years' reign of Christ on this earth, which concludes in the battle of Gog and Magog.


Revelation 20 (ESV)


7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.


Revelation 21 (ESV)


1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.


Only at the start of Revelation 21, this earth passes away.