"It is finished." What is the "it?"
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He was finished paying the ransom price demanded by the justice of God for the guilt of those who believe in him (Mt 20:28).
You really think that can be tampered with????
K
This entire thread has shown us the half Gopel that is believed by those that really think Jesus said 'I am done,there is nothing more to do" And there we have it,the complet half gospel to present to the world.
"Jesus died,and is still dead"..."the cross is all there is!!!"
Our great hope!!!
"Jesus died,and is still dead"..."the cross is all there is!!!"
Our great hope!!!
His earthly ministry to usher in the new covenant and paying the debt for sins was paid by His blood is what was finished (completed).
His teachings however still carry on, and He even told the Apostles He had much more to say to them but they were not ready to handle it yet. But told them when the Holy Spirit comes He will guide them in all truth.
The teachings of the Lord do very much apply today as they did back then.
If the teacher or spirit you are listening to tells you to deny His teachings; RUN, RUN, RUN, and find a different one to guide you as that spirit is not from God...........
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What happened on the cross was Not just a perfect sacrifice "ze nigmar" because the prophet daniel was a man and "NO FAULT WAS FOUND IN HIM" according to scripture.
You guys again leave out the heartbeat of heaven.
IT HAD TO BE GOD ON THE CROSS.
From this point only, can the ACTUAL gospel be preached,for w/o a RESURRECTION (hello???......hello???.... we must first have a death),there IS NO GOSPEL.
You all have it backwards. The gospel is NOT a dead Jesus.
You guys again leave out the heartbeat of heaven.
IT HAD TO BE GOD ON THE CROSS.
From this point only, can the ACTUAL gospel be preached,for w/o a RESURRECTION (hello???......hello???.... we must first have a death),there IS NO GOSPEL.
You all have it backwards. The gospel is NOT a dead Jesus.
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His earthly ministry to usher in the new covenant and paying the debt for sins was paid by His blood is what was finished (completed).
His teachings however still carry on, and He even told the Apostles He had much more to say to them but they were not ready to handle it yet. But told them when the Holy Spirit comes He will guide them in all truth.
The teachings of the Lord do very much apply today as they did back then.
If the teacher or spirit you are listening to tells you to deny His teachings; RUN, RUN, RUN, and find a different one to guide you as that spirit is not from God...........
His teachings however still carry on, and He even told the Apostles He had much more to say to them but they were not ready to handle it yet. But told them when the Holy Spirit comes He will guide them in all truth.
The teachings of the Lord do very much apply today as they did back then.
If the teacher or spirit you are listening to tells you to deny His teachings; RUN, RUN, RUN, and find a different one to guide you as that spirit is not from God...........
Why did you leave out essentials in your template?
His blood is what was finished (completed).
...........you have not seen that the blood did arrive in heaven via the son at the ascention????
K
The cross without the ascention,wwhich REQUIRED a resurrection,is NOTT THE GOSPEL PERIOD.
Why did you leave out essentials in your template?
Then you have not seen that the blood had to enter the HOH?
...........you have not seen that the blood did arrive in heaven via the son at the ascention????
Why did you leave out essentials in your template?
Then you have not seen that the blood had to enter the HOH?
...........you have not seen that the blood did arrive in heaven via the son at the ascention????
The reason I did not mention the resurrection was because that is not what was finished, as that was a continuation of His gospel message showing that the teachings and belief carries on. It is a continuation of belief in Christ that leads to salvation, and not a one time belief with continuing effects. It is amazing how some want to twist it to a one time event gets them salvation, when the bible shows one must continue in the faith of Christ to receive eternal life.
Galatians is a clear example of this even though some will try and twist that epistle as well. Apostle Paul says they once walked in the gospel of Christ, but then turned away to another gospel message. That message lead them to seek justification by the law, and Paul tells them Christ has become of no effect to them and they have fallen from grace.
I just finished(no pun intended) showing you,ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE he was not at all finished "paying ransome" as the blood HAD TO ENTER THE HOH"
You really think that can be tampered with????
You really think that can be tampered with????
Death (shedding the blood) of the sacrifice is not enough.
The blood must now be applied.
Only when the ransom had been paid could the blood be presented for application to the elect through faith by grace.
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The reason I did not mention the resurrection was because that is not what was finished, as that was a continuation of His gospel message showing that the teachings and belief carries on. It is a continuation of belief in Christ that leads to salvation, and not a one time belief with continuing effects. It is amazing how some want to twist it to a one time event gets them salvation, when the bible shows one must continue in the faith of Christ to receive eternal life.
Galatians is a clear example of this even though some will try and twist that epistle as well. Apostle Paul says they once walked in the gospel of Christ, but then turned away to another gospel message. That message lead them to seek justification by the law, and Paul tells them Christ has become of no effect to them and they have fallen from grace.
Galatians is a clear example of this even though some will try and twist that epistle as well. Apostle Paul says they once walked in the gospel of Christ, but then turned away to another gospel message. That message lead them to seek justification by the law, and Paul tells them Christ has become of no effect to them and they have fallen from grace.
What I am currently seeing is folks zeroing in on the cross,and using a "finihished" prism to say
"it is all done,everything is now complete,poof! we now have the gospel and Jesus is our dead finished work,we need nothing more cause hey,it says right there "finished"."
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The ransom was paid (Mt 20:28), the elect were purchased.
Death (shedding the blood) of the sacrifice is not enough.
The blood must now be applied.
Only when the ransom had been paid could the blood be presented for application to the elect through faith by grace.
Death (shedding the blood) of the sacrifice is not enough.
The blood must now be applied.
Only when the ransom had been paid could the blood be presented for application to the elect through faith by grace.
But that is what HAS TO BE FACTORED IN or Jesus was done at the cross.
This indeed harmonises with the High priest operating in parallel to the cross.
I can partially accept that,because you are saying it was not finished in entirety.
What I am currently seeing is folks zeroing in on the cross,and using a "finihished" prism to say
"it is all done,everything is now complete,poof! we now have the gospel and Jesus is our dead finished work,we need nothing more cause hey,it says right there "finished"."
What I am currently seeing is folks zeroing in on the cross,and using a "finihished" prism to say
"it is all done,everything is now complete,poof! we now have the gospel and Jesus is our dead finished work,we need nothing more cause hey,it says right there "finished"."
It's about salvation from the wrath of God (Ro 5:9) on one's guilt, which salvation is the cross.
Now see,i can accept that,and well put sir.
But that is what HAS TO BE FACTORED IN or Jesus was done at the cross.
This indeed harmonises with the High priest operating in parallel to the cross.
But that is what HAS TO BE FACTORED IN or Jesus was done at the cross.
This indeed harmonises with the High priest operating in parallel to the cross.
They are one and the same operation.
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I can partially accept that,because you are saying it was not finished in entirety.
What I am currently seeing is folks zeroing in on the cross,and using a "finihished" prism to say
"it is all done,everything is now complete,poof! we now have the gospel and Jesus is our dead finished work,we need nothing more cause hey,it says right there "finished"."
What I am currently seeing is folks zeroing in on the cross,and using a "finihished" prism to say
"it is all done,everything is now complete,poof! we now have the gospel and Jesus is our dead finished work,we need nothing more cause hey,it says right there "finished"."
That is because some churches are teaching a doctrine message that pretty much turns the cross into an idol.
I do not know how many times I have seen people constantly go, the cross, the cross, the cross. They focus to much on the cross itself and not what was done on it, as without Jesus crucifixion on it the cross would be no different then any other crosses used in crucifixion.
And yes I do believe His blood had to be placed on the mercy seat in the Holy of Holies, and I believe this was done in the physical sense by the findings of Wyatt and in the spiritual sense given by example in Hebrews;
Hebrews 9:12
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
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The cross is the gospel because the gospel is the forgiveness of sin which saves from the wrath of God (Ro 5:9) on guilt, which has been propitiated (Ro 3:25) for those who believe.
It's about salvation from the wrath of God (Ro 5:9) on one's guilt, which salvation is the cross.
It's about salvation from the wrath of God (Ro 5:9) on one's guilt, which salvation is the cross.
My jesus is alive.He lives forevermore and is in the fishing and discipling business.
The gospel is correctly ...JESUS....and this jesus came to earth ,became a man,born of a virgin,was crucified dead and buried,but rose again on the 3rd day,ascended to the father,and now sits at his right hand making intercession for the saints
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That is because some churches are teaching a doctrine message that pretty much turns the cross into an idol.
I do not know how many times I have seen people constantly go, the cross, the cross, the cross. They focus to much on the cross itself and not what was done on it, as without Jesus crucifixion on it the cross would be no different then any other crosses used in crucifixion.
And yes I do believe His blood had to be placed on the mercy seat in the Holy of Holies, and I believe this was done in the physical sense by the findings of Wyatt and in the spiritual sense given by example in Hebrews;
I do not know how many times I have seen people constantly go, the cross, the cross, the cross. They focus to much on the cross itself and not what was done on it, as without Jesus crucifixion on it the cross would be no different then any other crosses used in crucifixion.
And yes I do believe His blood had to be placed on the mercy seat in the Holy of Holies, and I believe this was done in the physical sense by the findings of Wyatt and in the spiritual sense given by example in Hebrews;
K
Jesus was both our High Priest and sacrifice, which are not "parallel" operations.
They are one and the same operation.
They are one and the same operation.
The sacrifice was the debt paid for our sins, and His operation as High Priest was His teachings on how we now receive that remission of sins and being lead in all truth by His Holy Spirit to keep us walking in the truth. His job as our High Priest is does not end tell after judgment comes and we receive His redemption at His second coming....
K
May I never get past the cross on which the Prince of Glory died for a sinner like me.
Without His death on the cross, that cross would just be another couple pieces of wood. That is where peoples miss-focus is as they believe the cross did something, but it did nothing, it was His death on it that matters....