"It is finished." What is the "it?"

[PeterJens]

Sad that he died and that was that.
Word on the street is he is alive.

The whole point about Jesus is firstly who he was, what he did, and what he put up with.
Being resurrected was proof of His testimony, His reality, His authority, but it is merely the seal on the finished work.
Love is the core message, not a list of laws, or imaginary ideas about fulfilling legal obligations etc which do not exist.
What greater thing could God give but his life as demonstrated by the shedding of his blood and his physical death.

You believe we are eternal. We are mortal, made of flesh and blood. Our thoughts and aspirations are expressed through physical systems in our brains. God can make us eternal or destroy us. How the eternal links to the mortal is not clear.
In revelations all the dead are raised either to life or to judgement.

On the latter rain "christians" they redefine Jesus as merely a man, reborn, not the only begotton Son of God. It is core to the heresy of "christians" being little gods, with creative power through the spoken word. This is all a lie, pure and simple, and these people may well be struck out of the Lambs book of life. But they have no fear, no sense of the Lord on earth, to defame and distort the work of real love, in its ultimate form, which exalts the living God to the rank of truly he who should be exalted above any name. So lost and empty are these people, they claim by stealing the contributions of followers, to make themselves rich, they claim they show God blessing them, rather than they are thieves stealing from the sheep.
I did not come to testify to the love and transformation the Lord brought to my life to be dis-inherited by these beasts.....

 

[popeye]

The whole point about Jesus is firstly who he was, what he did, and what he put up with.
Being resurrected was proof of His testimony, His reality, His authority, but it is merely the seal on the finished work.
Love is the core message, not a list of laws, or imaginary ideas about fulfilling legal obligations etc which do not exist.
What greater thing could God give but his life as demonstrated by the shedding of his blood and his physical death.

You believe we are eternal. We are mortal, made of flesh and blood. Our thoughts and aspirations are expressed through physical systems in our brains. God can make us eternal or destroy us. How the eternal links to the mortal is not clear.
In revelations all the dead are raised either to life or to judgement.

On the latter rain "christians" they redefine Jesus as merely a man, reborn, not the only begotton Son of God. It is core to the heresy of "christians" being little gods, with creative power through the spoken word. This is all a lie, pure and simple, and these people may well be struck out of the Lambs book of life. But they have no fear, no sense of the Lord on earth, to defame and distort the work of real love, in its ultimate form, which exalts the living God to the rank of truly he who should be exalted above any name. So lost and empty are these people, they claim by stealing the contributions of followers, to make themselves rich, they claim they show God blessing them, rather than they are thieves stealing from the sheep.
I did not come to testify to the love and transformation the Lord brought to my life to be dis-inherited by these beasts.....

Being resurrected was proof of His testimony, His reality, His authority, but it is merely the seal on the finished work.

You got it backwards. Because he was God,he could resurrect himself. The tomb could not hold him. The end is the beginning.Think about it,how could he resurrect w/o dying."Father restore
me to the glory I had..."
You think all Jesus did was die and the resurrection was just a side benefit of little signifigance. You preach a dead savior.

Love is the core message, not a list of laws, or imaginary ideas about fulfilling legal obligations etc which do not exist.

God is love,but love is not God or any core message. Jesus is the message. He is salvation.He does not only resurrect,HE IS THE RESURRECTION.
Love is the greatest law,not what we preach.

You believe we are eternal. We are mortal, made of flesh and blood. Our thoughts and aspirations are expressed through physical systems in our brains. God can make us eternal or destroy us. How the eternal links to the mortal is not clear.

If the bible declares it then I need to embrace it.
Read the rich man and lazarus and get back with me after you see all men have eternal spirits.

On the latter rain "christians" they redefine Jesus as merely a man, reborn, not the only begotton Son of God.

I don't know much of anything about them,but your accusation seems wild,reckless,and unfounded.
Where are you getting your info,and what does it have to do with the op?

 

[popeye]

Jesus did not speak english.He spoke hebrew and aramaic.
From the cross his next to the last words were "Ze Nigmar" ..."it is done,It is over,It is completed"..or"your offering is perfect"..accepted"

Now,these words were spoken by the high priest twice on passover. Once at the 9am sacrifice(same time Jesus was nailed to the cross),and once at the 3 oclock sacrifice (same time he died)

WHAT THE HIGH PRIEST SAID WAS WHAT JESUS SAID....AT THE SAME EXACT TIME.

 

[DavidKFriend]

He said "It is finished." Afterwards, what did Jesus do in turn?

 

[psychomom]

Even after the resurrection he still had to deliver his blood to the father.

He had to what, now??

Scripture for that, please?

 

[popeye]

He had to what, now??

Scripture for that, please?

When the ark was built,on earth,it was patternd after the one in heaven. When the levitical high prriest offered the blood in the HOH,he sprinkled it on the ark (the mercy seat).
Jesus entry into Jerusalem at passover,began the events of his preparation to be offered as THE perfect sacrifice in the pattern of the existing ordinances........meaning the blood had to be offered,IN HEAVEN.

11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

See that? The typology that God says is the patern to understanding?

This alone adds a greater dimension to jesus words on the cross than 99% of commentary you will read or hear. They are in fact ONE DIMENSIONAL because they not only ignore the football field sized billbord 10 ft away ,they REFUSE to even look up when it is pointed out to them.

Look at the remarkable effort those in this thread display as they futilly ignore the thing that God purposefully laid out to us for any possibilty of understanding.

It is almost cult like,the reliance of a mentally skewed knowlege of Jesus,bible and revelatory clues to reject a glimpse through an open window to God's purpose and mystery.

 

[popeye]

He said "It is finished." Afterwards, what did Jesus do in turn?

That is what we are told.
Jesus did not speak english.He spoke hebrew and aramaic.
From the cross his next to the last words were "Ze Nigmar" ..."it is done,It is over,It is completed"..or"your offering is perfect"..accepted"

Finished is ok. Go with the majority,that is what they believe

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And yet many things HAD to HAPPEN,before IT was finished.
35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.

Hard to sneak up on an ole jungle boy like me

You are hung up on a word and buildd on what you do no know.

Even after the resurrection he still had to deliver his blood to the father.

yeah, and you think like a jungle boy who is still behind the times.

The payment for sin was complete. Prophesy was not. huge difference.

The penalty of sin was spiritual death, not physical. or we would ALL be saved once we died physically, as we paid for our own sin.

Jesus died physically and was raised from the dead to be our firstfruits. to give us hope. and to prove God the Father accepted his "payment in full"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

New age?

A spirit can die?
This is really messed up.

Stop thinking like a jungle boy and think like a man.

Adam died spiritually the moment he sinned, He was separated from God, a barrier (sin) was placed between him and God.

Why do you think one must be "born AGAIN" to enter Gods kingdom.

WHy do you think Paul said we were DEAD in tresspasses and sin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is where you guys are messed up. You think the sacrifce of Jesus was complete t the cross. (the altar). But because you lack ANY knowledge of the priestly duties,you do not even realise that the death of the lamb was far from the end of the REQUIREMENT.

This is absurd. The FINISHED work was when the blood had been sprinkled on the mercy seat and the priest emerged from the HOH.
Heb9;11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

It is like a guy mows the back yard and COMPLETES THIS PART and even says to the neighbor on his way to do the front "finished", IMPLYING the back yard ONLY, but you guys go celebrate as if the front does not even exist.

You really think salvation is God's son on a cross and the resurrection and ascention carrying his own blood is a joke? Meaningless?.......due to the fact Jesus said "finished"?

This is where you are messed up.

You do not understand out plight against God (death) we are dead to him. We must be made alive.

The only way we can be made alive is for someone who is innocent of our crimes to pay the penalty of our sin. That penalty being death (spiritual)

Jesus said, My God My God why have you departed from me. It was at that moment Jesus bore our sin, And suffered the wrath of God. Jesus, who knew no sin, was made sin for us, God in his perfect justice and righteousness turned his back on his son. Separated himself from him. And this penalty was so severe. Jesus, who did not say a word during all of the beatings, the malignings, the whippings, the nailing of his hands and feet to the cross. SCREAMED in pain.

Man did not kill Jesus, or cause the payment for our sin. God placed our sin on his body, And he suffered what we deserve.

 

[KJV1611]

Stop thinking like a jungle boy and think like a man.

Adam died spiritually the moment he sinned, He was separated from God, a barrier (sin) was placed between him and God.

Why do you think one must be "born AGAIN" to enter Gods kingdom.

WHy do you think Paul said we were DEAD in tresspasses and sin.

Where does the bible say Adam died spiritually?

 

[PeterJens]

"Love is the greatest law,not what we preach." "popeye"

Heresy.

You speak this way because love has not been set free in your heart. Listen to John
1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
You cannot command someone to love if they do not have love freed within, but you can command someone to direct their love on to another.
"For God so loved the world"
"because of his great love for us"
"Love your enemies"
"Love one another"
"They shall know you are my deciples by the love you have for one another"
Now sin springs from bitterness, hurt and pain, as an excuse to cause pain to others. We get annoyed and lash out. Any excuse, we react emotionally to how we feel triggered by our emotional setup or wall paper.

But this reality most do not want to know, because it is walking in the light, being honest, knowing ourselves.
This is what Jesus did, you see it in his dealings with his friends and his enemies. The teachers of the law had no clue what he was saying because they were emotionally blind to their hypocracy, because all the cared about was power and influence, not truth and life. I wonder where you stand on this scale my friend, maybe not so high...

 

[PeterJens]

"You got it backwards. Because he was God,he could resurrect himself. The tomb could not hold him. The end is the beginning.Think about it,how could he resurrect w/o dying."Father restore
me to the glory I had..."
You think all Jesus did was die and the resurrection was just a side benefit of little signifigance. You preach a dead savior." "popeye"

Lazerus was resurrected. Resurrection is a sign of Gods authority come into this world. Enoch knew God and was not. Elijah ascended into heaven. But these are not as significant as Jesus.

Jesus blasphemed if he was not God. He forgave sin. He claimed to be the sole source of truth, the embodiement of the creator, yet he was a flesh and blood man. His death was something no-one understood or expected. It seemed defeat, the conquering of Jesus by the jewish law givers over the man of freedom and love, of humbleness and truth, of honesty and being sincere. Because he was God, and because he died, it makes his desire in his heart so infinite, so fantastic and so different for us. The resurrection was the seal of the Father on the Son, saying, yes this is my message, this is my heart, this is the best that can be done.

In your theology you think Jesus is the creator who speaks forth and makes the world. In mine I see a man whose essence is God, but has the authority of just a man. That is the point. He was like us, in every respect except his nature and essence, and yet he still walked without sin.

So your statement "you preach a dead saviour" makes no sense. I preach Jesus the Lord, the eternal resurrected saviour of mankind. I suggest it is you who are blind, read my words.

 

[BradC]

And yet many things HAD to HAPPEN,before IT was finished.
35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.

Hard to sneak up on an ole jungle boy like me

You are hung up on a word and buildd on what you do no know.

Even after the resurrection he still had to deliver his blood to the father.

Popeye, the finished work of the cross involved the shedding of blood as the lamb of God to take away the sin of the world. It was on his dying breath that those sins upon his body caused the Father to forsake him and it pleased the Father to bruise the Son, for the wages of sin had to be death. Jesus not only finished the suffering of our sins upon his body but also bore the wages of those sins through death on the cross. That is the purpose for which he came and John the baptist recognized that through the Spirit when Jesus came to be baptized of John. The Father was now satisfied concerning the sin issue that was laid upon his Son.

No more would an offering for sin have to be made for Jesus offered up himself and no more would blood have to be shed for it was finished and accomplished through the living sacrifice of the Son of God, God's spotless lamb. The sacrifice was finished, the difficult part, the slaughter of the lamb who bore all our griefs and sorrows, smitten of God and was wounded for our transgressions, who was bruised for our iniquities and God having laid upon him the iniquity of us all. It is all in Isaiah 53 and this was the work that was finished at the cross when he dead and made his grave with the wicked being numbered with the transgressors.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Gal 4:4a But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where does the bible say Adam died spiritually?

God said, in the moment you eat of this, you will die.

Either adam died the moment he ate, Or God is a liar.

Adam did die, how do we know?

"the things of God are foolishness to those who are not his"

Lets look at adam.

He walked with God (as non of us have)
He knew God (like non of us can)

Yet after he sinned.

He forgot who God was (he tried to hide from him)
He forgot who God was (He tried to blame eve for his own sin)
He forgot Who God was (he was afraid of his nakedness.

The fact God was omniscient (all knowing, even our minds) Omnipresent (you can;t hide from God) and all seeing (God created you naked, and is not ashamed of it, and covering it does not help) Proves the things of God became foolish to Adam. Why? Adam was no longer his, there was a separation. Adam had to be born again.

 

[PeterJens]

God said, in the moment you eat of this, you will die.

Either adam died the moment he ate, Or God is a liar.

Adam did die, how do we know?

"the things of God are foolishness to those who are not his"

Lets look at adam.

He walked with God (as non of us have)
He knew God (like non of us can)

Yet after he sinned.

He forgot who God was (he tried to hide from him)
He forgot who God was (He tried to blame eve for his own sin)
He forgot Who God was (he was afraid of his nakedness.

The fact God was omniscient (all knowing, even our minds) Omnipresent (you can;t hide from God) and all seeing (God created you naked, and is not ashamed of it, and covering it does not help) Proves the things of God became foolish to Adam. Why? Adam was no longer his, there was a separation. Adam had to be born again.

It is an interesting question as to the nature of Adams sin. I have been thinking about love and the trust a baby has towards their parents. In well functioning families this love is fed and met, but disappointment and hurt always get in, and it gets closed down. Sin creeps in as an excuse, to get back at the hurt, or frustration.

Adam accepted the argument God had said they should not eat of the tree because he did not want Adam to be like him. He did not believe Gods statement he would die, satan said it was a lie. Adam did not repent of this sin, ask God to forgive him for not trusting him. Once the trust was lost, God did not re-establish the relationship. Ever wondered why? Because it is Adam who needed to make the move. This is the separation we all inherit, the love within hurt and disappointed, lonely and cut off. Maybe this was an essential step, that had to be, to gain maturity, to be truly children of the Father, to walk away, and then to turn back and recognise he is truly our Father...
If in anyway this was forced it would undermine the foundation of the eternal relationship. We are not robots, but children of the Kingdom...

 

[tribesman]

...He died spiritually on the cross...

Where on earth did you get this one from bro? That's not Bible, eh.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where on earth did you get this one from bro? That's not Bible, eh.

yes it is.

when jesus said, My God My God why have you departed from me, He died spiritually, the father and spirit turned their back on him, they were separated by our sin.

that is spiritual death.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is an interesting question as to the nature of Adams sin. I have been thinking about love and the trust a baby has towards their parents. In well functioning families this love is fed and met, but disappointment and hurt always get in, and it gets closed down. Sin creeps in as an excuse, to get back at the hurt, or frustration.

Adam accepted the argument God had said they should not eat of the tree because he did not want Adam to be like him. He did not believe Gods statement he would die, satan said it was a lie. Adam did not repent of this sin, ask God to forgive him for not trusting him. Once the trust was lost, God did not re-establish the relationship. Ever wondered why? Because it is Adam who needed to make the move. This is the separation we all inherit, the love within hurt and disappointed, lonely and cut off. Maybe this was an essential step, that had to be, to gain maturity, to be truly children of the Father, to walk away, and then to turn back and recognise he is truly our Father...
If in anyway this was forced it would undermine the foundation of the eternal relationship. We are not robots, but children of the Kingdom...

God killed an animal. and covered Adam. (the first symbol of Gods gracious sacrificial gift to mankind which would occure with Christ)

Adam did not ask. God provided, and adam did not reject his offering, he accepted it.

That is what God wants us to do. trust him.

His son offered his body to cover our sin, God is giving it to us, all we need to do is accept it in faith. Thats why it is Gods work. not ours.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

people need to stop thinking of death in the natural way. It is not like physical death where th ebody stops functioning.

Death means "separation from"

In physical death, The souls is separated from the body, yet the soul still lives. The soul can no longer relate and function with the body.

In spiritual death, The soul is separate from God. It still functions, it just can not relate. or fellowship with God.