"It is finished"

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MessageOfTheCross

MessageOfTheCross

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RevelationMan said:
Jesus said in John 19:30 "it is finished" on the cross but in Revelation 21:6 the Lord God says "it is finished". My question is what is the work completed on the cross and what is the work completed in Revelation 21:6? How do they relate to each other if at all? Also, in Revelation 21:6 it is the Alpha & Omega and the Beginning & End that says "it is finished" but why is the First & Last not there? It seems that at this point in time the Lord God is only two instead of three because the First & Last is absent from the scene. What are your thoughts?
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“The mighty declaration “Finished” heard at the morning of Creation, at Calvary, and now repeated here for the last time, closes all Prophecy. What He began, He now finishes.”

JSM
 
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DorothyMae said:
When Jesus said “it is finished”
I’d always assumed the “it” referred to his suffering on the cross. How could it refer to anything in the future that hadn’t even started?
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Because the work of the cross is able to save those who have not yet been born and is able to say those who have not yet been born-again.
 
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Because the work of the cross is able to save those who have not yet been born and is able to say those who have not yet been born-again.
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What about peoples future sins ie. blasphemy of The H.S.
 
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Because the work of the cross is able to save those who have not yet been born and is able to say those who have not yet been born-again.
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Well, to tell the truth, I usually think of Jesus and what it was for Him on the cross. I do not think of myself in that moment so much. I am pretty sure he meant his suffering was done. Anyone who has suffered great pain knowing it will soon be over can understand that feeling. You just want it to be done. You are not thinking of the benefit to you or others. Enduring pain until it is done is all the mind focuses on. That is my view, anyway. When I think of the cross I do not think of me or what I benefited from this. I think of Him and what He lost.
 
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DorothyMae said:
Well, to tell the truth, I usually think of Jesus and what it was for Him on the cross. I do not think of myself in that moment so much. I am pretty sure he meant his suffering was done. Anyone who has suffered great pain knowing it will soon be over can understand that feeling. You just want it to be done. You are not thinking of the benefit to you or others. Enduring pain until it is done is all the mind focuses on. That is my view, anyway. When I think of the cross I do not think of me or what I benefited from this. I think of Him and what He lost.
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Yeah
He emptied Himself to come down from heaven and emptied Himself again to return.
 
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RevelationMan said:
Jesus said in John 19:30 "it is finished" on the cross but in Revelation 21:6 the Lord God says "it is finished". My question is what is the work completed on the cross and what is the work completed in Revelation 21:6? How do they relate to each other if at all? Also, in Revelation 21:6 it is the Alpha & Omega and the Beginning & End that says "it is finished" but why is the First & Last not there? It seems that at this point in time the Lord God is only two instead of three because the First & Last is absent from the scene. What are your thoughts?
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Please explain where or how you get "it is finished in Rev. 21: 6? If you are relating to "the beginning and the end- that relates to the wording Alpha and Omega.
 
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Benadam said:
I guess it became unnecessary since Elijah had come.
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None of those 4 to 5 cups was a commandment, the seder ceremony was and is a tradition of men.
 
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RevelationMan said:
Jesus said in John 19:30 "it is finished" on the cross but in Revelation 21:6 the Lord God says "it is finished". My question is what is the work completed on the cross and what is the work completed in Revelation 21:6? How do they relate to each other if at all? Also, in Revelation 21:6 it is the Alpha & Omega and the Beginning & End that says "it is finished" but why is the First & Last not there? It seems that at this point in time the Lord God is only two instead of three because the First & Last is absent from the scene. What are your thoughts?
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in John 19: 30 The word is Tetelestai - finished, complete. Also in rome, a legal term, "paid in full"
In Rev 21 the word is Genomi which means to become or to take place
this would be a good place to start..
 
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RevelationMan said:
Jesus said in John 19:30 "it is finished" on the cross but in Revelation 21:6 the Lord God says "it is finished". My question is what is the work completed on the cross and what is the work completed in Revelation 21:6? How do they relate to each other if at all? Also, in Revelation 21:6 it is the Alpha & Omega and the Beginning & End that says "it is finished" but why is the First & Last not there? It seems that at this point in time the Lord God is only two instead of three because the First & Last is absent from the scene. What are your thoughts?
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Everything that was necessary for Jesus to do in His physical body was finished at the cross. While Revelation 21:6 speaks of the culmination of the end of the current age.

Jesus Himself states in Rev 22:13 that He is in fact all those referenced in Rev 21:6: "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." Rev 22:13

He also goes on to say He is the root and offspring of David. The root being God, the offspring being Jesus:
"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." Rev 22:16
 
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RevelationMan said:
So maybe it is done in Revelation means "it is done"...i have created the new heavens and the new earth and made it ready for you.

This difference in words used does not account for the fact that the First and the Last is not there whereas my explanation does account for this. So, a slight adjustment would be the First and the Last says "it is finished" on the cross in fulfilment of the law and the other two say "it is done" I have created the new heaven and earth and prepared it for those who are thirsty.
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Jesus spoke these words:

"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." Rev 22:12-13
 
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DorothyMae said:
Well, to tell the truth, I usually think of Jesus and what it was for Him on the cross. I do not think of myself in that moment so much. I am pretty sure he meant his suffering was done. Anyone who has suffered great pain knowing it will soon be over can understand that feeling. You just want it to be done. You are not thinking of the benefit to you or others. Enduring pain until it is done is all the mind focuses on. That is my view, anyway. When I think of the cross I do not think of me or what I benefited from this. I think of Him and what He lost.
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the cross did not benefit The Lord Jesus, did it? Jesus died on it for not for HIS benefit but for ours.
Jesus said it is finished because of the pain HE endured? I do not see that as biblical.
 
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DorothyMae said:
Well, to tell the truth, I usually think of Jesus and what it was for Him on the cross. I do not think of myself in that moment so much. I am pretty sure he meant his suffering was done. Anyone who has suffered great pain knowing it will soon be over can understand that feeling. You just want it to be done. You are not thinking of the benefit to you or others. Enduring pain until it is done is all the mind focuses on. That is my view, anyway. When I think of the cross I do not think of me or what I benefited from this. I think of Him and what He lost.
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Jesus did not lose anything
 
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CS1 said:
the cross did not benefit The Lord Jesus, did it? Jesus died on it for not for HIS benefit but for ours.
Jesus said it is finished because of the pain HE endured? I do not see that as biblical.
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Where does Jesus or the Bible say why He said, “it is finished?” The Bible, mind you. Not man-centered theology focused solely what man got out of it.
 
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DorothyMae said:
Where does Jesus or the Bible say why He said, “it is finished?” The Bible, mind you. Not man-centered theology focused solely what man got out of it.
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in John 19:30 Jesus said " it is finished" after being offered vinegar to drink which was prophesied about HIS Death in Is 53.

The term " it is Finished " in the greek means: to perform, execute, complete, fulfill, (so that the thing done corresponds to what has been said, the order, command, etc.) and it also means to pay.
 
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please tell me what ?
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I will need you to answer questions for you to
answer to yourself to help you see. It’s because if I just tell you, it will be just words. But I’ll ponder how I can best communicate what you ask of me.
 
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CS1 said:
in John 19:30 Jesus said " it is finished" after being offered vinegar to drink which was prophesied about HIS Death in Is 53.

The term " it is Finished " in the greek means: to perform, execute, complete, fulfill, (so that the thing done corresponds to what has been said, the order, command, etc.) and it also means to pay.
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That agrees with what I said. His suffering was finished, completed, fulfilled.
 
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