It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

[know1]

Re: Given Before Times Eternal. Does 2 Timothy 1 Imply Eternal Security?

First know, you should know that Strong is not a high authority, but a simple tool. The authorities are the Hebrew Lexicons, like Keil & Delitzsch, Halot, etc.

K & D: " vb. denom. lay aside, reserve, withdraw, withhold—" "part" is not a meaning listed.

min is the standard Hebrew word meaning from, used in a variety of ways.

I think what you are doing is inferring something that is not there. The Holy Spirit is infinite; you don't really cut Him up into parts. If He is there, He is all there. Of course He is omnipresent, but has special places also.

You speak of "spirit of faith." I already gave you a reasonable explanation. Now the word "of" is generally an English representation of what is a case ending in Greek (like 's is a case Ending in English for the possessive case). In Greek it is called the genitive case. And "of" can cover a host of meanings. "The love of God" can be a humans' love for God, or God's love for the human -- context is required.

Everything produces after its kind? God made donkeys! God does make Gods.

You say you followed the voice of the Spirit. OK, was it masculine or feminine? Did it have a German accent? What kind of English did the voice speak? Southern drawl? Clipped New Yawk? Yorkshire incomprehensible? Scottish brogue? Mushy Indian? Was the voice bass, barotone, tenor, alto, sporano?

I don't know why anyone would believe your claim here.

Your claims are of course unfounded sir.
You have failed to present a legitimate argument, while denying and ignoring scripture that is ever so clear.
If you read where God spoke to anyone, you would know that He speaks to you in your own dialect.
I am seriously questioning your salvation sir, 'cause the bible says that those who are not of God cannot hear the truth.
You might have some knowledge of some scripture, but from what I have observed, you have no revelation.
Who is it who has the truth? I suppose we will have to let God be God. As for me, it is very clear.
I might be wrong on this last thing though, I don't know at this juncture, but I see there being a distinction between righteousness and justification. Where the righteous are not saved but the just are. Romans 10:10 and Jas 2:20-24.
It is also clear that faith and believing are not synonymous. You cannot tell someone to have believe and just faith. If they were synonymous, you would be able interchange them in the sentence.

 

[homwardbound]

Whether you like it or not, Kerry is right. That is the end result. You guys ignore all references to water baptism and try to force Holy Spirit baptism into a scripture when it is not there. Is that not ignoring God? You're following your own formula instead the New Testament. Holy Spirit baptism was only given twice. Once to the apostles and a second time through the house of Cornelius. It was never promised for Christians today. He is the only one that can administer it.

Aligator, not force,m not fight, you beleive what you want to believe that is what free choice is free, that same the gift from God is free

So you don't have to live like a refugee, if you aren't by the belief you have and are in stress, worry anger then there is probably error in your truth
But only you can decide that, thank you, and God does just love you, from my view and went to the cross for you to set you free, by the resurrected Christ not the dead one
I believe in the resurrected Christ presently alive no longer dead, the grave is empty, and new life came by the resurrection in Spirit and truth
John 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
John 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

In Spirit and truth is the only way I see that I can worship God, and you see it by flesh or mixing flesh and Spirit I guess, but as long as you have and are at rest from worry and stress, then Brother more power to you

For God came to this earth to die for us, rise for us and give us new life in Spirit and truth
Pray for me

 

[homwardbound]

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I'm just waiting to see who can knock me off., LOL

So you are interested in flesh fighting flesh, is that a good interpretation?

 

[homwardbound]

Are you simple? what part of" plain and simple you believe you obey..." you don't understand.

I do see this Newbirth
Galatians 4:29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now.

And I do see this:

• ohn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
  John 4:22-24 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
• John 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
  
  
  Your choice to be free from stress and worry or not
  Faith is Faith, no physical evidence or logical evidence
  Only Spiritual and illogical to this world
  Flesh can understand Spirit of God period.
  Love you praying for God to reveal truth to us both
  

 

[homwardbound]

Are you simple? what part of" plain and simple you believe you obey..." you don't understand.

Sorry I know you have tried to explain it to me, that I have to work, right or else right?

 

[homwardbound]

Since you are making your own rules you tell me. You are stuck in a loop...
Mark 16:15-17

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Matthew 28:18-20

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.



Since you don't like to work chew on this
Matthew 5:43-45

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]43 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
[SUP]45 [/SUP]That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.



Are you a child of the Father?????

It is none of my business whether you are or you are not a Child of the living God?
1 Corinthians 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

 

[homwardbound]

Since you are making your own rules you tell me. You are stuck in a loop...
Mark 16:15-17

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Matthew 28:18-20

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.



Since you don't like to work chew on this
Matthew 5:43-45

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]43 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
[SUP]45 [/SUP]That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.



Are you a child of the Father?????

So now by your own words, we are present before the Lord to make his judgment and correct us both, Thank you

 

[Atwood]

Grace Supports Eternal Security (OSS = Once Saved, Saved!)

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. (end of Philip)


Start of Colossians:
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus through the will of God, and Timothy our brother, to the saints and faithful brethren in Christ that are at Colossae: Grace to you and peace from God our Father.

Look for grace at the start & end of the epistles. And note how that grace is before peace. It is not if you stop warring vs God, He will be nice to you.

Grace. Our loving God is gracious. Creating man, & allowing man to sin is appropriate to our Lord who wishes to manifest his attribute of grace. He has this ability and disposition to do good to those who not only do not deserve it, but who are his enemies and antagonists, even those who nailed the Lamb of God to the cross.

He had grace for the Christian before the Christian believed and became a Christian. With no desert at all, the foulest sinner is made clean and transformed to a child of God with the promise of eternal life: I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. Then once saved, why would a God Who already showed grace to them when his enemies, now would not show grace to His children? Would he, instead of straightening them up when they sin, roast them in a Lake of Fire forever?

Grace before salvation:

But God commends his own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Grace after salvation:
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him. For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life; - Rom 5

The gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

 

[RickyZ]

Re: Given Before Times Eternal. Does 2 Timothy 1 Imply Eternal Security?

You might have some knowledge of some scripture, but from what I have observed, you have no revelation.

I've found that all too often those who pack their brains with book knowlege seem a little lacking in spiritual revelation.

 

[Atwood]

Now Up In Glory; Future Promised Glory; OSS = Once Saved, Saved!

If then you were raised together with Christ,
seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God. Set your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are upon the earth.
For you died, and
your life is hid with Christ in God.
When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then
you shall also with him be manifested in glory. < Colossians

There is no maybe about it;
The promise is not a maybe,
but a shall be!

(The "you" of course are those who have trusted Christ as Savior.)

Can you depend upon the Crucified for your eternal destiny?

 

[newbirth]

I do see this Newbirth
Galatians 4:29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now.

And I do see this:

• ohn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
  John 4:22-24 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
• John 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
  
  
  
  Your choice to be free from stress and worry or not
  Faith is Faith, no physical evidence or logical evidence
  Only Spiritual and illogical to this world
  Flesh can understand Spirit of God period.
  Love you praying for God to reveal truth to us both
  ignorance is bliss

[h=3]James 2:19-26[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[newbirth]

No. I follow the great commission.

I go make disciples of men. And when I have made a new disciple. I either baptize them or at the least, make sure they get baptized.

But thay have to be saved first. or that water baptism means nothing. And we are saved by Faith alone. not of works (water baotism is a work) lest anyone should boast.

If you want to boast of earning your salvation by your work of baptism. feel free.

I will boast of God. Who baptized me. For only HE CAN CLEANSE ME. All i can do is get myself wet.

you really are some piece of work.....But thay have to be saved first. so now you determine who is saved and who is baptized

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

[Alligator]

,m. '.
lol. Your just contradicted yourself.

I said I obeyed Christ and was baptized, and do baptise. Now your saying I only do it when it fits my doctrine?

Dude you have issues.

Col 2. Eph 2: 8-9. John 3: 14- 16. Romans 10.. No mention of being baptized. Did God lie. or is your interpretation of those passages in error?
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God can not contradict himself. why do you make him contradict?

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nope no contradiction here. I stand by my statement you obey Christ only when it's convenient and when it fits your doctrine.

Just a little advice, to put LOL in front of your sentences make you look rather silly.

I am not the one who has issues. In Matt. 28 when Jesus told the apostles to go and teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the father, son, and Holy Spirit, this obviously meant that man would do the baptizing. Yet you claim you know More than Christ since you say baptism cannot be administered by human hands., only God's..

 

[newbirth]

Re: Now Up In Glory; Future Promised Glory; OSS = Once Saved, Saved!

If then you were raised together with Christ,
seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God. Set your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are upon the earth.
For you died, and
your life is hid with Christ in God.
When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then
you shall also with him be manifested in glory. < Colossians

There is no maybe about it;
The promise is not a maybe,
but a shall be!

(The "you" of course are those who have trusted Christ as Savior.)

Can you depend upon the Crucified for your eternal destiny?

you continually try to deceive by cutting short the scripture. two lists, one to put off, one to put on, you have to do the putting , look at the word yourself...

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

[SUP]6 [/SUP]For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

[SUP]7 [/SUP]In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:


Notice the new man is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him(this is so important to our growth)

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

 

[Atwood]

Dear Believer, You Have Been Delivered from future Wrath

There is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus. (Rom 8:1).

After finishing Rom 7, a chapter about the Christian's carnality & defeat following the coming of the commandment (when the commandment came, sin revived, & I died . . . I am carnal, sold under sin . . . yet it is no longer I who do it [sin] but Sin that dwells in me, this in my flesh.) The desperate cry comes at the end of Rom 7: Miserable man, what shall I do; Who shall deliver me? I thank God, through Christ Jesus -- there is even salvation for the temporarily defeated Christian). Rom 8 starts by assuring the Christian that he has no condemnation, which is completely true, even if it is aimed primarily at being condemned to the state of carnality in Rom 7.

1 Thes 1 "For they themselves report concerning us what manner of entering in we had unto you; and how ye turned unto God from idols, to serve a living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who is delivering us from the wrath to come."

So there you have it, all ye who obsess on the present tense. The delivering here is a present participle. So do you want that to be continually delivering us? That is true of course. But the point is that right now the Lord Jesus is delivering us from future wrath. Now how is He delivering us now, if we end up experiencing God's wrath?

As the believer is being tossed into the Lake of Fire, what happens if he should pipe up and say, "But your word says that the Lord Jesus was delivering me from future wrath"???



Get this clear: The Lord Jesus really saves the believer. Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins. He doesn't give the believer a little salvation, a temporary salvation, but eternal life. He doesn't just give us a chance to be saved. He saves!
OSS: Once saved, saved! If you are saved, why then you are saved. Rocket Science!

 

[Atwood]

How Could the Thessalonians Be Declared to Be Paul's Crown?

If OSS is true (once saved, saved!), then Paul could already designate the Thessalonian believers as his crown (literally, victor's wreath). The believers in Thessalonica are assured that they are Paul's victor's wreath. Now if they might end up as a roasting ear turning on a spit in Gehenna, how can that be? He doesn't say, "I hope ya'll gonna make it."

For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of glorying? Are not even ye, before our Lord Jesus at his coming? For ye are our glory and our joy.

 

[Atwood]

More Problems for Those Who Worship Human Will

You may be objecting to OSS (once saved, saved) eternal security on the grounds that man has this great free will over which man is sovereign. But the Lord seems to disagree with that POV.

Now may our God and Father himself, and our Lord Jesus, direct our way unto you: and the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men,

Why you object? "'Tain't fair that the Lord should make anyone abound in love, 'cause you have to do it yourself due to His non-intervention policy on human will."

Well, pontificate all you want, make up things about human will if you want, but God's Word says something else.

Eternal Security:
The gifts & the calling of God are irrevocable.

Objector: But a man can revoke it. That's man's free will.

Oh yeah? God's word says that the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

 

[Atwood]

If the Lord Dis-appoints one from wrath, how you gonna give it to him?

OSS: Once saved, Saved!
The Believer gets no wrath, but salvation.

Now it may disappoint someone, but actually the believer has been dis-appointed from wrath. The believer has no appointment with God's wrath, though the wages of sin is death.

For God appointed us not to wrath, but unto the obtaining of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that,
whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

You can divide your life for all time into two types of life:
1) sleeping or 2) being awake -- don't quibble with me about being 1/2 asleep, as some may be when the gospel is presented.

Note the security of the believer. The believer will live together with Christ during both types of life: awake or asleep.
So I guess if a believer gets the itch to go to the Lake of Fire for a little scorching, he needs to find a time when he is neither awake nor asleep.

BTW, the Lord declares the believer righteous,
Who is going to condemn him -- you think you are qualified?

 

[newbirth]

Re: Dear Believer, You Have Been Delivered from future Wrath

There is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus. (Rom 8:1).

After finishing Rom 7, a chapter about the Christian's carnality & defeat following the coming of the commandment (when the commandment came, sin revived, & I died . . . I am carnal, sold under sin . . . yet it is no longer I who do it [sin] but Sin that dwells in me, this in my flesh.) The desperate cry comes at the end of Rom 7: Miserable man, what shall I do; Who shall deliver me? I thank God, through Christ Jesus -- there is even salvation for the temporarily defeated Christian). Rom 8 starts by assuring the Christian that he has no condemnation, which is completely true, even if it is aimed primarily at being condemned to the state of carnality in Rom 7.

1 Thes 1 "For they themselves report concerning us what manner of entering in we had unto you; and how ye turned unto God from idols, to serve a living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who is delivering us from the wrath to come."

So there you have it, all ye who obsess on the present tense. The delivering here is a present participle. So do you want that to be continually delivering us? That is true of course. But the point is that right now the Lord Jesus is delivering us from future wrath. Now how is He delivering us now, if we end up experiencing God's wrath?

As the believer is being tossed into the Lake of Fire, what happens if he should pipe up and say, "But your word says that the Lord Jesus was delivering me from future wrath"???

because he did not like to obey, he said all I have to do believe, nothing is wrong if I disobey once in a while, what is wrong with a little sin here and there I am OSS
[h=3]Ephesians 5:5-7[/h]King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be not ye therefore partakers with them.



Get this clear: The Lord Jesus really saves the believer. Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins. He doesn't give the believer a little salvation, a temporary salvation, but eternal life. He doesn't just give us a chance to be saved. He saves!
OSS: Once saved, saved! If you are saved, why then you are saved. Rocket Science!

[h=3]Colossians 3:5-7[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
(do them no more) a true believer obeys

 

[konroh]

Re: Given Before Times Eternal. Does 2 Timothy 1 Imply Eternal Security?

at this juncture, but I see there being a distinction between righteousness and justification. Where the righteous are not saved but the just are. Romans 10:10 and Jas 2:20-24.
It is also clear that faith and believing are not synonymous. You cannot tell someone to have believe and just faith. If they were synonymous, you would be able interchange them in the sentence.

Unfortunately you are using English words rather than the Greek root words: pisteuo in Greek is the root of both believe (verb) and faith (noun); dikaio is the root of both righteousness (noun) and justify (verb)[TABLE="class: maintable3, width: 100%"]
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Therefore your statement that the righteous are not saved but the just are is pointless.

Also, you can have belief in something and therefore faith it. Same greek word, same meaning.​

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