IT'S 1948! IT'S A MIRACLE!

[Dave-L]

There is a film and also a series, narrated by Michael Greenspan. Sounds like you have it.

Israel is Jesus and the Church. Pagan Israel did not survive. Why?

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:22–23 (KJV 1900)

 

[garee]

All you have to do is watch the series 'Against All Odds' to see God's hand in helping the Jewish troops win each battle, 'against all odds'. They are true miracles that occurred giving victory to Israel.

We are not being saved from not having Jewish flesh. as if God was a Jewish man to begin with. Even if it was possible to trace a lineage back to the time of Mathew the end of the geanalolgy of the spiritual seed Christ . His flesh what the eyes profited for nothing.

From the time of the reformation as a result, Satan fell from heaven and could no longer deceive the whole world That God was a God of the Jews identified as a creation . God has no beginning nor end. He alone is supernatural .

The veil was rent revealing to the unbelieving world the man of sin ..Kings in Israel an abomination of desolation. It made the true Holy Place not seen in the new heavens and earth without effect. When the veil representing the fore flesh of the Son of man the first born was rent there was no man standing in the holy, holy, holy place as if God was a man..

That is a place assigned to wizards they are not of the eternal land, the new Jerusalem, not seen . Patron saints, the foundation of necromancy . No death.

2 Kings 23:24 Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the Lord.

That time of great tribulation for the Jew. And great jubilation for all the nations of the world. The Jew lost their place being used as types and shadows till that time of reformation. Most Christians ignore that explosion of events triggering the last days; "It is finished". A time like never before or ever again .

Put an end to using Jewish flesh as types and shadows. They were used to represent the whole of mankind. The ceremonies were not a sign of their own righteousness as self edifying. .They had no righteousness of their own .Just as any cornuted creature. . God does not promote wrestling against flesh and blood.

The Holy Spirit is not the flesh and blood murderer from the beginning. We must focus on faith the unseen eternal if we are to hear him as prescribed. . The Disciples in unbelief (no faith) murmured they were hoping what the eyes see could profit for something.??

Perhaps as a eye pleaser flesh pleaser that builds false pride. . We must be careful how we hear.. We know who we desire to hear.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And this is even after of His own flesh it profits for zero. We are to walk by faith the unseen eternal not after the temporal corrupted flesh and blood as rudiments of this world.

And he left them, and went out of the city into Bethany; and he lodged there. Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered. And when he saw a fig tree "in the way", he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
And when the disciples saw it, they marveled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away! Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. Mathew 21:17-21

 

[kaylagrl]

People who believe in Jesus are God's chosen people. People who reject Jesus aren't.

Read Romans 11, the Jews have been blinded for a time...

 

[Dave-L]

Read Romans 11, the Jews have been blinded for a time...

They've been broken off, turned into gentiles who practice Talmudic Judaism. Called Jews for this reason. Those we preach to along with the rest of the gentiles can be grafted into Israel (the Church) if they accept Christ. There's no other way.

 

[kaylagrl]

They've been broken off, turned into gentiles who practice Talmudic Judaism. Called Jews for this reason. Those we preach to along with the rest of the gentiles can be grafted into Israel (the Church) if they accept Christ. There's no other way.

No, they are still Israel and we are still the church. Bible doesn't teach replacement theology.

 

[Dave-L]

No, they are still Israel and we are still the church. Bible doesn't teach replacement theology.

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:22–23 (KJV 1900)

 

[garee]

Israel is Jesus and the Church. Pagan Israel did not survive. Why?

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:22–23 (KJV 1900)

1948 .That's the year I was born the first time. Lots of miracles in that year. Born again in the 70's. God is greater than the temporal work he displays. Believing is greater than marveling a or wondering. I used to wonder a form of doubt how could we not marvel not at experiencing our first love hearing God and believing Him not seen? He says we should believe knowing it is Him working in us without murmuring. Its a miracle on his part a free gift a new breath of life on ours.

The verse reminded me of something I have been looking at for a while.

Moses... meaning he draws men as the law giver is used to represent the letter of the law death. One reason he did not enter the promised land.

Moses is used to represent our unseen Father of all the nations represented by fathers seen, like Aaron, a word meaning to be or become light as those seen. A kingdom of priest from all nations.

Moses was used to represent the unseen Lord. The power of God's unseen glory . A gospel picture of God unseen applying his words from heaven on the mouth of his brother Aaron the temporal as one of the fathers, or priest. . . prophets sent out as apostles.

The first born of the brethren shows that work that does work in the believers earthen bodies just as us who are the temple of God today .Holding our our new tongue the gospel

And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do. And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God. And thou shalt take this rod in thine hand, wherewith thou shalt do signs. And Moses went and returned to Jethro his father in law, and said unto him, Let me go, I pray thee, and return unto my brethren which are in Egypt, and see whether they be yet alive. And Jethro said to Moses, Go in peace
Exodus 4: 15-18

The first born of the brethren shows that work that does work in the believers earthen bodies just as us who are the temple of God today .Holding our our new tongue the gospel

Just as the fathers will moved Jesus teaching him all things the same applies to us. We look to the unseen eternal teaching master .No man can serve two master the flesh as the things seen the temporal and the unseen eternal spirit

It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.John6: 45



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[garee]

No, they are still Israel and we are still the church. Bible doesn't teach replacement theology.

Sure does not.it does reveal he changed her name to one more appropriate to represent all the nations of the world not leaving the Jews out.

I think its a befitting name as the residents of the heavenly city prepared as His eternal bride named after her founder Christ. Without adding any other meaning .Christian. A befitting name.

The Christian Galatians, or Christian Thessalonians as cities of the world make up the bride of Christ. The old name Israel in respect to a inward Jew born again served the father until the time of reformation. That's when he renamed her in Acts. The final time needed. .

 

[kaylagrl]

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:22–23 (KJV 1900)

That passage is irrelevant to what I said. It doesn't say the church has replaced Israel. Nor does it indicate Jews can't be saved. According to Romans they can be grafted in again if they believe.

 

[kaylagrl]

Sure does not.it does reveal he changed her name to one more appropriate to represent all the nations of the world not leaving the Jews out.

I think its a befitting name as the residents of the heavenly city prepared as His eternal bride named after her founder Christ. Without adding any other meaning .Christian. A befitting name.

The Christian Galatians, or Christian Thessalonians as cities of the world make up the bride of Christ. The old name Israel in respect to a inward Jew born again served the father until the time of reformation. That's when he renamed her in Acts. The final time needed. .

No, the church is still the church, Israel is still Israel and God is not done with the Jewish people.

 

[Dave-L]

That passage is irrelevant to what I said. It doesn't say the church has replaced Israel. Nor does it indicate Jews can't be saved. According to Romans they can be grafted in again if they believe.

Jesus is Israel revealed in the New Covenant. (Proof on demand). The broken off unbelievers are no longer Biblical Israel. But any that believe in Jesus become re-attached to biblical Israel.

 

[Dave-L]

No, the church is still the church, Israel is still Israel and God is not done with the Jewish people.

The Church = the congregation of the Lord = Israel in the OT.

 

[cv5]

That passage is irrelevant to what I said. It doesn't say the church has replaced Israel. Nor does it indicate Jews can't be saved. According to Romans they can be grafted in again if they believe.

RT is heresy plain and simple.

Isa 45:17
But Israel is saved by the LORD
with everlasting salvation;
you shall not be put to shame or confounded
to all eternity.

 

[cv5]

No, the church is still the church, Israel is still Israel and God is not done with the Jewish people.

Let us sing praises of joy and thanksgiving for God's enduring love and faithfulness toward Israel!

 

[Dave-L]

RT is heresy plain and simple.

Isa 45:17
But Israel is saved by the LORD
with everlasting salvation;
you shall not be put to shame or confounded
to all eternity.

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:22–23 (KJV 1900)

 

[kaylagrl]

The Church = the congregation of the Lord = Israel in the OT.

11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? ( The Jews) Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!


25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”


30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

 

[Dave-L]

11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? ( The Jews) Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!


25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”


30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

“This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,” Acts 7:38–39 (KJV 1900)

 

[cv5]

11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? ( The Jews) Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!


25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”


30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

That covers Jewish converts to Christ in the Church, as well as the future earthy millenial Kingdom of reconstituted redeemed Israel who have been miraculously provided a new heart, thereby fulfilling all prophecies.

 

[Dave-L]

That covers Jewish converts to Christ in the Church, as well as the future earthy millenial Kingdom of reconstituted redeemed Israel who have been miraculously provided a new heart, thereby fulfilling all prophecies.

Only believers in Christ are Israel in the biblical sense.

 

[cv5]

Had to repost this link. Here are the PRECISE details of fulfilled prophecy to the very day of fulfillment!

www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Ezekiels430Days.html

FYI, the 70 year captivity, and the reason for it are prophecied waaaay back in Lev 26!

Lev 26:34
“Then the land shall enjoy its Sabbaths as long as it lies desolate, while you are in your enemies’ land; then the land shall rest, and enjoy its Sabbaths.
As long as it lies desolate it shall have rest, the rest that it did not have on your Sabbaths when you were dwelling in it.