James 5:19-20

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So I went through the New Testament again and wanted to come back to these two verses. I have read them in 4 translations, ESV, NIV, NKJV and NASB. The NIV is the only one really different where it doesn't add the word Soul into verse 20.

So from my understanding this is talking about Christians who knew the truth and then wandered away from the truth. We as Christians are suppose to try and bring them back. Now the outcome if we don't bring someone back is death. Now where the confusion comes in is, are we talking about spiritual death or physical? I'm not trying to make this a Once Saved Always Saved discussion. The way I read it is it is talking about spiritual death not physical, unless you read it from the NIV which leaves out the word Soul. I'll paste each translation.

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19 My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back,
20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

NKJV
19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back,
20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul[a] from death and cover a multitude of sins.

NASB
19 My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back,
20 let him know that [a]he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

NIV
19 My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truthand someone should bring that person back,
20 remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

I'm not fluent in Greek so maybe someone who understand the original language (Angela) :) a bit better than I do maybe can shed some light on this.

 
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It is talking of a spiritual death,for it says it shall save his soul from death,not the body,but in actuality the soul never dies,whether with Jesus,or without Jesus,but since they were not with Jesus,the soul is considered dead,although it is still alive,which the Bible says the wicked are twice dead,physically,and spiritually,although the wicked will live for eternity.
 
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It is talking of a spiritual death,for it says it shall save his soul from death,not the body,but in actuality the soul never dies,whether with Jesus,or without Jesus,but since they were not with Jesus,the soul is considered dead,although it is still alive,which the Bible says the wicked are twice dead,physically,and spiritually,although the wicked will live for eternity.
So then my next question is, is it talking about Christians that have turned away or non Christians? Can a non Christian have truth? Or could this be someone who was brought up in the church, has heard the truth but never actually accepted it then leaves the church?
 

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So then my next question is, is it talking about Christians that have turned away or non Christians? Can a non Christian have truth? Or could this be someone who was brought up in the church, has heard the truth but never actually accepted it then leaves the church?
Taken from The Bible Knowledge Commentary,

5:19-20. James’ last appeal to his readers has a touch of tenderness and a clear note of encouragement to those who have helped others who have grown weary and have fallen from the way. My brothers, he wrote, “if any one among you strays from the truth, and someone turns him around, let him know that the one who turns him back from his error will save his soul from death and will hide a multitude of sins” (author’s trans.).
These who have lost their way are the “sick ones” of the church family. They have wandered away. The Greek word here (πλανηθῇ) suggests one who has missed his path and is hopelessly lost. “Planet” was taken from this Greek word to convey the idea that the luminaries were “wandering stars” (cf. Jude 13), not “fixed” like the rest.
Wandering ones need to be brought back to the fold. James referred here not to evangelism but to restoration. Revival, not redemption, is in view. The rescue action is of great significance. A lost sheep is saved from destruction and his sins (the sins of the restored one, not the restorer) are covered as if a veil were thrown over them (cf. 1 Peter 4:8). He can move ahead again on the path toward spiritual maturity.
James has given clear instructions about how to achieve practical holiness and spiritual maturity. His pointed exhortations were designed to stab the consciences and stir the souls of his beloved Jewish brothers. Stand with confidence, serve with compassion, speak with care, submit with contrition, and share with concern. A believer should be what God wants him to be, do what God wants him to do, say what God wants him to say, sense what God wants him to sense, and share what God wants him to share. Spiritual maturity involves every aspect of life.

 
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Matthew 18

12 “What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? 13 And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.
 

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"Ἀδελφοί μου, ἐάν τις ἐν ὑμῖν πλανηθῇ ἀπὸ τῆς ἀληθείας καὶ ἐπιστρέψῃ τις αὐτόν, 20 γινωσκέτω ὅτι ὁ ἐπιστρέψας ἁμαρτωλὸν ἐκ πλάνης ὁδοῦ αὐτοῦ σώσει ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ ἐκ θανάτου καὶ καλύψει πλῆθος ἁμαρτιῶν." James 5:19-20

James concludes this epistle in chapter 5, verses 19 and 20, with a final exhortation which on one hand flows out of the theme of confession and forgiveness of the preceding section and on the other hand gives what must have been the author's purpose in publishing the epistle, i.e. turning people from error.

The address
Ἀδελφοί μου, (my brothers) indicates that these two verses are a separate unit, but one cannot look at the formal separation and juxtaposition of traditional theme beside one another without remembering that there is often an internal thematic connection, a reason why the segments are placed where they are, whatever the source, as is apparent in this case.

ἐν ὑμῖν "If someone among you" begins James. (among you could be a semitizing construction, indicating he is thinking of the whole epistle, of the community member who apostatizes, not about missionary involvement among either Jews or gentiles.) The possibility is that this community member might "wander from the truth,"
πλανηθῇ ἀπὸ τῆς ἀληθείας - which forms the situation under consideration. To wander πλανηθῇ is to apostatize i.e., to reject the revealed will of God and to act contrary to it, either through willfulness or the deceit of others (including demonic powers).

The term "wander" is used in the LXX for transgression of the law, especially idolatry. Satanic influence is generally seen behind these actions. This same sense of rejection of the right way, and wandering into moral corruption (often due to the devil) appears in the NT in numerous places. Thus the seriousness of the problem appears from the first, particularly since morally corrupt behaviour was neither accepted nor glossed over in the early church, but exposed and rejected.


The wandering is "from the truth." ἀπὸ τῆς ἀληθείας. Truth is a way to go, a way of life in Judaism as in the NT. That it is this sense of truth which is intended becomes clear in the next verse where the way
ὁδοῦ becomes the parallel idea ἐκ πλάνης ὁδοῦ αὐτοῦ - for the "way" of a person is not simply his thoughts, but his lifestyle or conduct.

Thus to be turned - ἐκ πλάνης ὁδοῦ -is to be turned -
ἐπιστρέψας, from a wrong way of life, an error in life-style. The person must be turned from the wrong way to the right one, from falsehood to error. those in the community who have erred from the truth or are in error with respect to their lifestyle are those disregarding the norms of the community and are in need of someone to bring them back, to turn them ἐπιστρέψῃ τις αὐτόν. This about face is well known in the OT and the NT, as is the desire (or command) to motivate others to turn. The promise that James is making is to those in the community who see the person in error and in proper meekness and humility attempt to turn him back to the narrow way, the true way of the community. In other words away from sin, ἁμαρτωλὸν.

Such a Christian should remember or become aware of the teaching of the church on such matters - γινωσκέτω This is an exhortation to be fully aware and act on what one has already heard. This teaching is that such an action will bring another to repentance - restoring him to the community "will save his soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."
σώσει ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ ἐκ θανάτου καὶ καλύψει πλῆθος ἁμαρτιῶν. The concept of saving a soul from death is clear enough, for death is plainly the final result of sin, usually thought of as eternal death or the last judgement.

That sin can result in physical death is also clear, (1 Cor. 15:30) as well as many OT passages. This may be part of James' meaning but the tone appears to go beyond physical death and recognize death as an eschatological entity, at least here one dies in sin. It is the soul - i.e. the whole person which is liable for death. It is probable that one should read "his soul"
ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ -not simply "a soul"or "a soul from death itself." ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ ἐκ θανάτου.

Parallel to saving the person from death is the idea of covering of a multitude of sins. (καλύψει πλῆθος ἁμαρτιῶν) To cover sins is to procure forgiveness. The idea of "a multitude of sins" serves to describe not the state of the sinner, but the extent of the forgiveness. The expression "covers a multitude of sins" is found in Prov. 10:13, and quoted in 1 Peter 4:8, and the early church fathers. It is possible James is dependent for his expression on the Jewish Christian tradition that contained that phrase (but not the LXX, which is not at all similar!) The idea might have been the erasing of sins from the record on the heavenly tablets, but while in harmony with the apocalyptic vision of James, an image of forgiving sins and making atonement for sins.

Whose soul is saved? It is either the person turning others to forgiveness and salvation, or the sinner themselves. As James has already expressed parallels ideas in parallel phrases, he may be implying both! The most likely antecedent, αὐτοῦ, is the sinner (the
αὐτοῦ with ψυχὴν referring to the αὐτοῦ with ὁδοῦ) and thus both phrases probably refer to
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]forgiveness: he is saved from destruction and freed of his sins through repentance.

James then concludes with the purpose of his work. He does not discuss sins simply to moralize or cond
emn. He discusses sin to point out to erring community members the results of their behaviour and to bring them to repentance. He hopes to save them from damnation and procure forgiveness of sins. It is this apostolic goal he urges on his readers, and having encouraged them, to follow in his steps and take up where he ends.*

James places in these two verses, or one sentence two responsibilities: to teach and practice a biblical model of Christian community and to balance discipline with mercy.

Rather than viewing these verses in terms of a hypothetical person headed for damnation, this passage is in fact a call for discipleship and obedience to the vision and hope of Jesus. Forgiveness is the goal, and discipline the method. Discipline here, includes a strong need to exhort and to correct, while supporting and extending mercy and grace. It is certainly true that the case of an unrepentant sinner is serious, because righteousness must be taken seriously! This one who wanders needs to become the object of reconciliation in the church. His or her sin has placed them outside the community of the church. Jesus and James both argue that the entire community of faith must be about this task and make the relevant decisions. (Matt. 18:17-19)

The teaching of James throughout his letter is often harsh and even rigid. But then, so was the mandate given by Jesus. But here, in the last two verses of his letter, James allows a note of grace. Forgiveness must be offered, but it must be balanced with a faith that is active, faith that has captured mind, body and heart.

Jesus calls us to recognize sin and to forgive the sinner with a warm welcome. To fail at the first, is to take sin too lightly. To excuse sin, whether as a harmless quirk or a lifestyle choice is to deny both the seriousness of the offence and the responsibility of the offender. James offers the sternest warning: The result of sin is death! To fail at the second, however, is to fall prey to sterile doctrine and to miss the forgiving part of Jesus ministry and his unconditional love. We need both!

This tension between righteousness and mercy is a difficult one, but one we must heed. In conclusion, George Caird said,

"To follow Jesus or to follow his example turns out to be, as popular tradition has held, the higher road, that particular morality which the gospel imposes on Christians. But such morality does not consist of conformity to any stereotyped pattern, it consists rather in learning from Jesus an attitude of mind which comprises sensitivity to the presence of God and to the will of God which is the only authority, a constant submission of personal interest to the pursuit of that will in the well-being of others, and a confidence that, whatever the immediate consequences may appear to be, the outcome can be left in God's hands."

*Peter H. Davids The New International Greek Testament Commentary: The Epistle of James NIGTC pgs 198-201.



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Now where the confusion comes in is, are we talking about spiritual death or physical? I'm not trying to make this a Once Saved Always Saved discussion. The way I read it is it is talking about spiritual death not physical, unless you read it from the NIV which leaves out the word Soul. I'll paste each translation.
This seems to me to be talking about spiritual death and subsequent spiritual salvation of an individual and not physical death and physical life. Consider the use of the word "soul" in this verse: " And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul". It seems that the body is different from the soul. The word "soul" seems to me to be talking about a persons heart or true desires and motivations. Consider how the word is used in this verse: "And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: "
 

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I would agree with most of your observations:

You wrote:
"So from my understanding this is talking about Christians who knew the truth and then wandered away from the truth. We as Christians are suppose to try and bring them back. Now the outcome if we don't bring someone back is death."

I think the issue here is simply that if you see a brother in your church struggling with sin, you should care and come alongside him to bring him back to the truth. The text says this person "wandered from the truth" and is a "sinner". Was he really a Christian before, or was he just in the church, but not really saved? I am not sure that it really matters: the urgency on our part is in either case to care and come alongside to restore this person.


You wrote:
"Now where the confusion comes in is, are we talking about spiritual death or physical? I'm not trying to make this a Once Saved Always Saved discussion. The way I read it is it is talking about spiritual death not physical, unless you read it from the NIV which leaves out the word Soul. I'll paste each translation."

I think it is talking about spiritual death.
 
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So then my next question is, is it talking about Christians that have turned away or non Christians? Can a non Christian have truth? Or could this be someone who was brought up in the church, has heard the truth but never actually accepted it then leaves the church?
It says those who stray out of the way. Unbelievers can't stray from the path of righteousness.
 
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I have observed the word for "soul" has been used in many different ways in scripture. Sometimes it is referring to the quality of life here on this earth - which is why some scriptures talk about renewing our minds and receiving the word of God having as the outcome our souls being saved.

Here are some examples of the Greek word for soul being used to refer to "life" on this earth.

John 10:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

Matthew 2:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] "Get up, take the Child and His mother, and go into the land of Israel; for those who sought the Child's life are dead."

Some of our religious traditions have always used the word "soul" to mean eternal life and going to be in heaven with the Lord - but scripture does not bear out this tradition as being true.
 
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Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
(Jas 5:19-20)


I'm wondering why 'and shall hide a multitude of sins'.

I have lot's of thoughts on this, but can't quite piece this passage together.
 

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Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
(Jas 5:19-20)


I'm wondering why 'and shall hide a multitude of sins'.

I have lot's of thoughts on this, but can't quite piece this passage together.

Same here - the phrase "and shall hide a multitude of sins" I have only seen good guesses at?
 
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So then my next question is, is it talking about Christians that have turned away or non Christians? Can a non Christian have truth? Or could this be someone who was brought up in the church, has heard the truth but never actually accepted it then leaves the church?
It’s talking about spiritual death which could lead to physical death .Healing the spiritual could aid in the physical. But if there is no spiritual relationship, all the healing of the flesh in the world without the healing of His faith, worshiping God will come to naught. The gospel is not in respect to that seen outwardly we walk and therefore reason by faith, the unseen.

Can a non Christian have truth?
All non-Christians begin with His truth by the hearing of his faith as the same spirit of faith according to as it is written. Whether it is a little or much if he has begun the god work of salvation in a person he will finish it to the end.

Being brought up in a church does not mean a person will hear God through the scriptures . They went out from us because they were not of us. The us is not of us even though we do have the treasure of his authority in us. God does not heal the spiritual or physical with human hands that represent the will.

2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

The use of the word us as in they went our from us because they were not of us depends on what manner of spirit by which a person believes God . A good an example of the confederacy the wrong manner of spirit as a improper union with Christ is shown in Mark9 and Luke 9. Luke being the better more detailed.

Interestingly it seems every time Christ spoke a parable hiding the meaning from natural man the apostles would seek a understanding among themselves walking by sight and therefore not mixing faith in what they did hear and it became who is the greatest. After three times the Holy Spirit of Christ declared to them you know not what manner of spirit you are of. In doing so Christ defined the us, in him rather than the us in respect to apostles who thought following each other was the proper union. This helps us to understand we do need a man to teach us.

But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying. Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest.And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him,And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, “Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of”. Luk 9:45
 
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*Notice - Brethren, if anyone "among" you wanders from the truth..turns a "sinner" from the error of his way.. Some would argue that James says this one who turned from the truth was a "sinner," and was "among" but "not of" the Brethren, then he wasn’t previously saved. That fits 1 John 2:19 - They went out "from" us, but they were "not of" us..

IF this person was a genuine believer, yet how do we know for sure this is the second death in the lake of fire? In Matthew 26:38, Jesus said: "My soul [psuche] is deeply grieved, to the point of death." Jesus was not saying that His soul was deeply grieved to the point of spiritual death, Rather, Jesus was talking about physical death, his human life. In Revelation 16:3, "The second angel poured out his bowl into the sea, and it became blood like that of a dead man; and every living soul [psuche] in the sea died". In 1 Peter 3:20 "... God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, [psuche-souls] were brought safely (saved from drowning, physical death) through the water" by the ark (Hebrews 11:7).

"Soul" is rendered from the Greek word "psuche" and is also translated as "life". The word "psuche" is never translated as "spirit." In 1 Corinthians 5:5, we read - I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, (physical death) so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus (no second death).

Jesus covered our sins in one way (Romans 4:7) by bringing forgiveness for all believers, yet sins can also be covered in a different way. In Proverbs 10:12, we read: Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all sins. In 1 Peter 4:8, we read: And above all things have fervent love for one another, for "love will cover a multitude of sins." Where there is strife, there is hatred and unless love prevails, the strife will get worse. Love covers offenses and sins when a believer turns back from error.

So is this wanderer a professing Christian, whose faith is not genuine, or a sinning Christian, who needs to be restored? For the former, the death spoken of in vs. 20 is the "second death" (Revelation 21:8); for the latter, it is physical death (1 Corinthians 11:29-32; 1 John 5:16).