James & Ecclesiastes - What is Wisdom?

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SilverFox7

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Do you see what is now done for you presently and forever from God to you or not?
Doubt is kicking you around the podium, Am I good enough? No, no one is, and that be why Father sent Son for us all. Those in that first testament could not understand.Could not enter Father's rest, because of "Unbelief" completed in Son.
Yes, brother, we see, experience, and understand what God is doing for us now and what his eternal plans are for us in the future. It appears Solomon didn't have that type of relationship where we walk by faith that God has our best interests at heart and loves us deeply. We love Him in return. We are His children, His workmanship being molded and shaped into the image of Christ, our Lord and Savior.

I'm not saying that Solomon had it all wrong on His views of the Eternal. He had some good insights to share as well:

"I know that nothing is better for them than to rejoice, and to do good in their lives, and also that every man should eat and drink and enjoy the good of all his labor—it is the gift of God" (Ecc. 3: 12). Amen. We absolutely should rejoice and do good in our lives to the best of our ability, working hard and expressing the gifts God has given us. I'm appreciative for the food and drink the Lord provides to sustain our lives and give us the energy to contribute in a positive way to our families and the organizations we serve within.

I like what Solomon does from a literary angle in chapter 3 by mixing poetry with prose to express his thoughts and feelings. He goes from poetry in verses 1-8, prose in verses 9-13, and back to poetry in verses 14-17:

I know that whatever God
does,
It shall be forever.

Nothing can be added to it,
And nothing taken from it.
God does it, that men should
fear before Him.

That which is has already
been,
And what is to be has already
been;
And God requires an account
of what is past.

Moreover I saw under the sun:

In the place of judgment,
Wickedness was there;
And in the place of
righteousness,
Iniquity was there.

I said in my heart,

“God shall judge the righteous
and the wicked,
For there is a time there for
every purpose and for every
work.


It seems Solomon understands that God is in control, and He is a righteous Judge. I think what's giving him the most anguish is captured in chapter 2 verses 17-19 - all the work he has done to lead Israel to the height of power and wealth is going to be left "...to the man who will come after me. And who knows whether he will be wise or a fool?" Youch, Solomon doesn't know at this point how well the succession plan will work out after he dies? That is not a good thing, and it turns out the one who came after him was a fool.

I'm going to need to brush up on the history of Solomon's reign a little more to understand what happened during his reign. It started out with such promise, Israel was a diamond in the rough during the peek of his reign, but oh how it's fall was swift and tragic during the latter part of his reign to those who came after him. The poetry above gives us a hint of what was likely going on in his own leadership and priestly circle:

In the place of judgment,
Wickedness was there;
And in the place of
righteousness,
Iniquity was there. (Ecc. 3: 16)
 
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Yes, brother, we see, experience, and understand what God is doing for us now and what his eternal plans are for us in the future. It appears Solomon didn't have that type of relationship where we walk by faith that God has our best interests at heart and loves us deeply. We love Him in return. We are His children, His workmanship being molded and shaped into the image of Christ, our Lord and Savior.

I'm not saying that Solomon had it all wrong on His views of the Eternal. He had some good insights to share as well:

"I know that nothing is better for them than to rejoice, and to do good in their lives, and also that every man should eat and drink and enjoy the good of all his labor—it is the gift of God" (Ecc. 3: 12). Amen. We absolutely should rejoice and do good in our lives to the best of our ability, working hard and expressing the gifts God has given us. I'm appreciative for the food and drink the Lord provides to sustain our lives and give us the energy to contribute in a positive way to our families and the organizations we serve within.

I like what Solomon does from a literary angle in chapter 3 by mixing poetry with prose to express his thoughts and feelings. He goes from poetry in verses 1-8, prose in verses 9-13, and back to poetry in verses 14-17:

I know that whatever God
does,
It shall be forever.


Nothing can be added to it,
And nothing taken from it.
God does it, that men should
fear before Him.


That which is has already
been,
And what is to be has already
been;
And God requires an account
of what is past.


Moreover I saw under the sun:

In the place of judgment,
Wickedness was there;
And in the place of
righteousness,
Iniquity was there.


I said in my heart,

“God shall judge the righteous
and the wicked,
For there is a time there for
every purpose and for every
work.


It seems Solomon understands that God is in control, and He is a righteous Judge. I think what's giving him the most anguish is captured in chapter 2 verses 17-19 - all the work he has done to lead Israel to the height of power and wealth is going to be left "...to the man who will come after me. And who knows whether he will be wise or a fool?" Youch, Solomon doesn't know at this point how well the succession plan will work out after he dies? That is not a good thing, and it turns out the one who came after him was a fool.

I'm going to need to brush up on the history of Solomon's reign a little more to understand what happened during his reign. It started out with such promise, Israel was a diamond in the rough during the peek of his reign, but oh how it's fall was swift and tragic during the latter part of his reign to those who came after him. The poetry above gives us a hint of what was likely going on in his own leadership and priestly circle:

In the place of judgment,
Wickedness was there;
And in the place of
righteousness,
Iniquity was there. (Ecc. 3: 16)
thank you for what you see, past, present and not future yet
Who, Lord will believe our report?The wickedness and iniquity still here on earth
There are those that glory in their iniquity, seeing they need God and that God's grace presently is sufficient for them today. Which makes God Father and Son as Won (One) perfect. Especially with the "I", me out of the way, not interfering with the love and mercy given us, spreading that Holy Fire to all, at least me, I see this after such a long walk of a short pier daily, in angst over trying to be good enough and couldn't and can't. So I see let go, trust Father to do the done work of Son through me, me out of the way
I saw to free my mind, and gave God my IQ too thanking Father, I am nothing, Father and Son as Won for me and all people is the greatest of the greatest, forgotten a lot in people looking at people and excusing and judging one another not good for my Soul
As we each grow new in God's love and mercy given us through Son that is risen where art gets given A gift that produces work. New work of the done work done by Son for us all to rejoice in
Thanking God for this love and mercy, without that, no one stands a chance, so I quit self works
 

SilverFox7

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For the balance of chapter 3 in Ecclesiastes, Solomon turns has attention and monologue to death:

Ecclesiastes 3:18-22

New King James Version

18 I said in my heart, “Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals.” 19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity.

20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust. 21 Who[a] knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth? 22 So I perceived that nothing is better than that a man should rejoice in his own works, for that is his [b]heritage. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?

Solomon doesn't appear to have a whole lot of hope in an afterlife, and he equates humans with animals in their common end: mortality. Man and beast survive in part by the breath of life, and once that breath is gone, flesh and blood cease to exist. We don't have any advantage over the animals in that respect, "for all is vanity," temporary. I'm reading a good essay on Proverbs and Ecclesiastes that I will share in more detail later, but one observation that stood out is the word vanity can also be translated as "breath." Life is a breath that lasts but a short time.

Some point to verse 21 expressing trust in the spirit returning to God "upward" in heaven, but there are other translations that probably better capture Solomon's morose musings on the fate of man at death: "Who knows whether the spirit...goes upward...?" From his point of view, death may be just what it literally means - cessation of life. Solomon doesn't seem to share his father's sense of confidence and hope in an afterlife:

...But those who wait on the
Lord,
They shall inherit the earth.

For the Lord loves justice,
And does not forsake His
saints;
They are preserved forever...

The righteous shall inherit the
land.
And dwell in it forever. (Psalm 37: 9, 28-29)


David's words echo those of Jesus',

Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the
earth. (Matt 5:5)