Jesus´ brothers.

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Maynard

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crossnote said:
Baloney.

Suggenēs = cousin
Adelphos = brother
Adelphēs = sister
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The term brother (Gk. adelphos) has a broader meaning than uterine brothers. It can mean a biological brother, but it can also mean an extended relative, or even a spiritual brother.

Take Genesis 13:8 for example. Here the word brother is being used to describe the relationship between Abraham and Lot, who were not biological brothers but uncle and nephew:
“So Abram said to Lot, “Let’s not have any quarreling between you and me, or between your herdsmen and mine, for we are brothers” (Gen 13:8, NIV; see also 14:12).

Because of the Bible’s broad semantic range of “brother,” we can rest assured that although St. Paul writes, “[Jesus] appeared to more than five hundred…brothers at the same time” (1 Cor. 15:6), we need not infer from this verse that Mary gave birth to more than 500 children!
 
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If jesus was sent by his Heavenly Father ( GOD? Or jesus sent himself ? Sorry,this trinity thing confuses me ) to die on the cross to pay for mankinds sins,can we now sin as much as we want??? Our debt has been paid in advance by Jesus hasn't it or did He only pay for the sins of the people of his time?
 
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GrahamDennis said:
If jesus was sent by his Heavenly Father ( GOD? Or jesus sent himself ? Sorry,this trinity thing confuses me ) to die on the cross to pay for mankinds sins,can we now sin as much as we want??? Our debt has been paid in advance by Jesus hasn't it or did He only pay for the sins of the people of his time?
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I suggest you spend some time reading the Bible. Especially the New Testament.
 
williamjordan

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Maynard said:
The term brother (Gk. adelphos) has a broader meaning than uterine brothers. It can mean a biological brother, but it can also mean an extended relative, or even a spiritual brother.

Take Genesis 13:8 for example. Here the word brother is being used to describe the relationship between Abraham and Lot, who were not biological brothers but uncle and nephew:
“So Abram said to Lot, “Let’s not have any quarreling between you and me, or between your herdsmen and mine, for we are brothers” (Gen 13:8, NIV; see also 14:12).

Because of the Bible’s broad semantic range of “brother,” we can rest assured that although St. Paul writes, “[Jesus] appeared to more than five hundred…brothers at the same time” (1 Cor. 15:6), we need not infer from this verse that Mary gave birth to more than 500 children!
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Yes, adelphos does have a broad semantic domain; however, there are extremely good reasons why we should not take the term to mean anything other than a biological brother when in reference to Jame's relation to Jesus. One very good reason is found in Galatians 1.19, where Paul refers to James as "the brother of the Lord."

It is very different to be a brother in someone, as in the spiritual sense that we're all brothers "in the Lord," and being "the brother of the Lord." In Eph. 6.21 Paul refers to Tychicus as “the dear brother and faithful servant in the Lord” and in 1 Cor. 6.5-6 Paul refers to any believer as a “brother” in Christ. But here in Galatians 1.19 Paul uses the genitive case tou kyriou which would signify the corresponding English preposition is "of" the Lord rather than "in" the Lord.

Another point in favor of this being a biological title is that in this context Paul refers to only James as “the brother of the Lord,” and not Peter. Should Paul's use of adelphos refer to James as a spiritual brother then we would expect both, Peter and James to have claim to such a title.
 
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Maynard said:
Because of the Bible’s broad semantic range of “brother,” we can rest assured that although St. Paul writes, “[Jesus] appeared to more than five hundred…brothers at the same time” (1 Cor. 15:6), we need not infer from this verse that Mary gave birth to more than 500 children!
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You are correct in that the grammatical definition of 'brother' / 'brethren' is quite broad -- hence, we must determine from the context of scripture what particular meaning is intended...

So - your point is well made.

However, I have noticed that post #35 has gone "unanswered" as of yet... ;)

:)
 
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GrahamDennis said:
If jesus was sent by his Heavenly Father ( GOD? Or jesus sent himself ? Sorry,this trinity thing confuses me ) to die on the cross to pay for mankinds sins,can we now sin as much as we want??? Our debt has been paid in advance by Jesus hasn't it or did He only pay for the sins of the people of his time?
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You might want to read Romans chapter 6 and then I'd be happy to discuss it with you if you'd like me to, but we really ought to discuss it on another thread or privately so as to not derail this thread.
 
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GaryA said:
You are correct in that the grammatical definition of 'brother' / 'brethren' is quite broad -- hence, we must determine from the context of scripture what particular meaning is intended...

So - your point is well made.

However, I have noticed that post #35 has gone "unanswered" as of yet...;)

:)
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Yeah, post #35 is my post and whenever I get into these types of discussions that goes unanswered. It's as if some people just don't want to see and accept what's right before their very eyes.
 
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I didn't know Catholics taught that Jesus had no siblings. That Mary and Joseph had no children together. Hmm..........it is possible that the reason they teach this (if they do) because it serves to keep the "Pure Image" of Mary?
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It is not only the Catholic Church that teaches that Mary was virgin before her pregnancy, during her pregnancy and after Christ's birth. The Greek Orthodox Church as well as the Oriental Churches teach the same thing. If by "Pure Image of Mary", you refer to the dogma of "Immaculate Conception", then you are wrong since this dogma is strictly a catholic one and was formulated in XIX century.
 
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Maynard said:
The term brother (Gk. adelphos) has a broader meaning than uterine brothers. It can mean a biological brother, but it can also mean an extended relative, or even a spiritual brother.

Take Genesis 13:8 for example. Here the word brother is being used to describe the relationship between Abraham and Lot, who were not biological brothers but uncle and nephew:
“So Abram said to Lot, “Let’s not have any quarreling between you and me, or between your herdsmen and mine, for we are brothers” (Gen 13:8, NIV; see also 14:12).

Because of the Bible’s broad semantic range of “brother,” we can rest assured that although St. Paul writes, “[Jesus] appeared to more than five hundred…brothers at the same time” (1 Cor. 15:6), we need not infer from this verse that Mary gave birth to more than 500 children!
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is this one of those quotes to be taken literally? Is jesus promoting cannablism? How come the church gets to decide what quotes from Jesus are actually meant? Surely u belive all scripture to be inspired so it's never wrong,who decided jesus meant bread and wine instead of his flesh and blood? There were words for flesh and blood and bread and wine,why didn't jesus simply say bread and wine to represent my flesh and blood? Yet another example of men interpreting scripture to suit and serve themselves
 
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