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zone

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Luke 4

Jesus’ Public Ministry

14And Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about Him spread through all the surrounding district.15And He began teaching in their synagogues and was praised by all.

16And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read.17And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,

18“THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME,
BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR.
HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES,
AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND,
TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED,

19TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD.”20And He closed the book, gave it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on Him.21And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”22And all were speaking well of Him, and wondering at the gracious words which were falling from His lips; and they were saying, “Is this not Joseph’s son?”23And He said to them, “No doubt you will quote this proverb to Me, ‘Physician, heal yourself! Whatever we heard was done at Capernaum, do here in your hometown as well.’”24And He said, “Truly I say to you, no prophet is welcome in his hometown.25“But I say to you in truth, there were many widows in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the sky was shut up for three years and six months, when a great famine came over all the land;26and yet Elijah was sent to none of them, but only to Zarephath, in the land of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow.27“And there were many lepers in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, but only Naaman the Syrian.”28And all the people in the synagogue were filled with rage as they heard these things;29and they got up and drove Him out of the city, and led Him to the brow of the hill on which their city had been built, in order to throw Him down the cliff.30But passing through their midst, He went His way.


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i'm on the verge of 'seeing' something:confused:

it's in here:

25 “But I say to you in truth, there were many widows in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the sky was shut up for three years and six months, when a great famine came over all the land;26 and yet Elijah was sent to none of them, but only to Zarephath, in the land of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow.27 “And there were many lepers in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, but only Naaman the Syrian.”


it's a pattern - 3 1/2 years - and gentiles.

there's something that relates directly to Zechariah 14 [2?]....and a ton of other stuff - the parables!

(arg....can't...quite...see...full...picture...yet)


......


less pressing to me but here He says something i never noticed before:

Luke 13
31At that very hour some Pharisees came and said to him, “Get away from here, for Herod wants to kill you.” 32And he said to them, “Go and tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course. 33Nevertheless, I must go on my way today and tomorrow and the day following, for it cannot be that a prophet should perish away from Jerusalem.’ 34O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 35Behold, your house is forsaken. And I tell you, you will not see me until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’”


“Go and tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course."


this didn't happen 3 literal days before His Cross (and resurrection)...why does He say it that way?
is it the day/year thing?

















oh Bible, why are you so mysterious (and hard)?



time to pray AND fast.
so close.....

HELP!
 

crossnote

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Zone.
Look into my eyes,
You are becoming a dispy, you are becoming a dispy...:cool:
 

vic1980

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Luke 4

“Go and tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course."


this didn't happen 3 literal days before His Cross (and resurrection)...why does He say it that way?
is it the day/year thing?


HELP!

I never notice this, thank you Mis zone :)
 

zone

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Zone.
Look into my eyes,
You are becoming a dispy, you are becoming a dispy...:cool:


ya...that's right.
the same guy. the tapping guy.

what? i dunno...something about dispy.
i'm...getting sleepy.
just hurry.
 

zone

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Zone.
Look into my eyes,
You are becoming a dispy, you are becoming a dispy...:cool:
nooooooooooooooooo...it all fits within the simple Plan:):

First Advent.....Gospel....Pentecost....end old covenant - 70AD........Gospel....Second Advent.



the nations coming against Jerusalem in Zechariah 14 is about New Jerusalem - (which paul said the heirs belonged to when the Old Covenant was over, bearing children for slavery) - and the Zealots and the the Fourth Philosophy Sicarii who Josephus said the rebels gathered from the whole Diaspora - from the nations to fight against both rome AND the church.

that whole thing has to be looked at again, like the maccabees and whatnot in Daniel 11.

the Zealots and the bad guys played a SUPER-ROLE in stuff right at the end.

just.....can't.....stay....awa......z-z-z-z



 

zone

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Luke 4

Jesus’ Public Ministry

14And Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about Him spread through all the surrounding district.15And He began teaching in their synagogues and was praised by all.

16And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read.17And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,

18“THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME,
BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR.
HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES,
AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND,
TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED,

19TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD.”20And He closed the book, gave it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on Him.21And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”22And all were speaking well of Him, and wondering at the gracious words which were falling from His lips; and they were saying, “Is this not Joseph’s son?”23And He said to them, “No doubt you will quote this proverb to Me, ‘Physician, heal yourself! Whatever we heard was done at Capernaum, do here in your hometown as well.’”24And He said, “Truly I say to you, no prophet is welcome in his hometown.25“But I say to you in truth, there were many widows in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the sky was shut up for three years and six months, when a great famine came over all the land;26and yet Elijah was sent to none of them, but only to Zarephath, in the land of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow.27“And there were many lepers in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, but only Naaman the Syrian.”28And all the people in the synagogue were filled with rage as they heard these things;29and they got up and drove Him out of the city, and led Him to the brow of the hill on which their city had been built, in order to throw Him down the cliff.30But passing through their midst, He went His way.


Elijah/Elisha...what connection did they have to Tabernacles and/or Pentecost?
any types/shadows or direct connection?

does anyone know?

k...over
 
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Laodicea

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Jesus said that at the start of His ministry and is using the day/year princple
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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less pressing to me but here He says something i never noticed before:

Luke 13
31At that very hour some Pharisees came and said to him, “Get away from here, for Herod wants to kill you.” 32And he said to them, “Go and tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course. 33Nevertheless, I must go on my way today and tomorrow and the day following, for it cannot be that a prophet should perish away from Jerusalem.’ 34O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 35Behold, your house is forsaken. And I tell you, you will not see me until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’”


“Go and tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course."


this didn't happen 3 literal days before His Cross (and resurrection)...why does He say it that way?
is it the day/year thing?
the 'day year principle' is unscriptural nonsense...

the exact chronology of the gospels is unclear...but most likely jesus was referring to another journey to jerusalem -before- his final trip...correlations between the gospels suggest that it was probably his journey to the feast of dedication that is described in john 10:22-39...
 
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the 'day year principle' is unscriptural nonsense...

the exact chronology of the gospels is unclear...but most likely jesus was referring to another journey to jerusalem -before- his final trip...correlations between the gospels suggest that it was probably his journey to the feast of dedication that is described in john 10:22-39...
In the historical books of the Old Testament, days and years are used in a parallel fashion. Notice the following illustrations:

‰ Exodus 13:10 reads literally in Hebrew that the Passover was to be celebrated “from days to days”. Obviously this means from year to year.
‰ I Samuel 20:6- the Hebrew literally reads “sacrifice of the days” but the context clearly shows it refers to the yearly sacrifice.
‰ I Samuel 2:19 literally reads, “from days to days”
‰ I Samuel 1:21 literally reads, “sacrifice of the days”
‰ Judges 11:40 literally reads, “from days to days, four days each year”
‰ I Samuel 27:7 literally reads, “days and four months”
‰ I Kings 1:1 says that David was stricken “in days” but it means “years”.
‰ Genesis 47:9 is an interesting verse in that Jacob speaks of “the days of my years”
‰ Genesis 5:5 states that the days that Adam lived were 930 years.
‰ Genesis 6:3 is the first time prophecy in the Bible where days are linked with years.
 
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Preterism is what I see in the last post of this thread. Hasn't happened yet, oh but its coming.
 
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In the historical books of the Old Testament, days and years are used in a parallel fashion. Notice the following illustrations:

‰ Exodus 13:10 reads literally in Hebrew that the Passover was to be celebrated “from days to days”. Obviously this means from year to year.
‰ I Samuel 20:6- the Hebrew literally reads “sacrifice of the days” but the context clearly shows it refers to the yearly sacrifice.
‰ I Samuel 2:19 literally reads, “from days to days”
‰ I Samuel 1:21 literally reads, “sacrifice of the days”
‰ Judges 11:40 literally reads, “from days to days, four days each year”
‰ I Samuel 27:7 literally reads, “days and four months”
‰ I Kings 1:1 says that David was stricken “in days” but it means “years”.
‰ Genesis 47:9 is an interesting verse in that Jacob speaks of “the days of my years”
‰ Genesis 5:5 states that the days that Adam lived were 930 years.
‰ Genesis 6:3 is the first time prophecy in the Bible where days are linked with years.
these are just examples of hebrew idiom...they have nothing to do with how we should interpret prophecy...

nowhere in the bible are we told to substitute 'year' for 'day' in prophecy...
 

zone

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the 'day year principle' is unscriptural nonsense...

the exact chronology of the gospels is unclear...but most likely jesus was referring to another journey to jerusalem -before- his final trip...correlations between the gospels suggest that it was probably his journey to the feast of dedication that is described in john 10:22-39...
uh....if it wasn't his final trip, why did He say it this way?

“Go and tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course."

that's an odd way of saying i finish this trip before my next one.

but it's not that important.
 

zone

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these are just examples of hebrew idiom...they have nothing to do with how we should interpret prophecy...

nowhere in the bible are we told to substitute 'year' for 'day' in prophecy...
forget prophecy for a minute.
God clearly used a day for a year (vice versa). on more than one occsassion.

Numbers 14
26The Lord said to Moses and Aaron: 27“How long will this wicked community grumble against me? I have heard the complaints of these grumbling Israelites. 28So tell them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Lord, I will do to you the very thing I heard you say: 29In this wilderness your bodies will fall—every one of you twenty years old or more who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me. 30Not one of you will enter the land I swore with uplifted hand to make your home, except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun. 31As for your children that you said would be taken as plunder, I will bring them in to enjoy the land you have rejected. 32But as for you, your bodies will fall in this wilderness. 33Your children will be shepherds here for forty years, suffering for your unfaithfulness, until the last of your bodies lies in the wilderness. 34For forty years—one year for each of the forty days you explored the land—you will suffer for your sins and know what it is like to have me against you.’ 35I, the Lord, have spoken, and I will surely do these things to this whole wicked community, which has banded together against me. They will meet their end in this wilderness; here they will die.”



they got punished a year for every day the spies were away searching the land and came back with their evil report.
unless i'm missing something here.
 

zone

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and unless this means something other than what it says, old ezekiel had lie down on one side, then other other for days which equaled years, as a visual prophecy to the people about their rebellion and captivity:

Ezekiel 4
1“Now, son of man, take a block of clay, put it in front of you and draw the city of Jerusalem on it. 2Then lay siege to it: Erect siege works against it, build a ramp up to it, set up camps against it and put battering rams around it. 3Then take an iron pan, place it as an iron wall between you and the city and turn your face toward it. It will be under siege, and you shall besiege it. This will be a sign to the people of Israel.

4“Then lie on your left side and put the sin of the people of Israel upon yourself.a You are to bear their sin for the number of days you lie on your side. 5I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin. So for 390 days you will bear the sin of the people of Israel.

6“After you have finished this, lie down again, this time on your right side, and bear the sin of the people of Judah. I have assigned you 40 days, a day for each year. 7Turn your face toward the siege of Jerusalem and with bared arm prophesy against her. 8I will tie you up with ropes so that you cannot turn from one side to the other until you have finished the days of your siege.

??
 

zone

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Luke 4

Jesus’ Public Ministry

14And Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about Him spread through all the surrounding district.15And He began teaching in their synagogues and was praised by all.

16And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read.17And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,

18“THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME,
BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR.
HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES,
AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND,
TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED,

19TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD.”20And He closed the book, gave it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on Him.21And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”22And all were speaking well of Him, and wondering at the gracious words which were falling from His lips; and they were saying, “Is this not Joseph’s son?”23And He said to them, “No doubt you will quote this proverb to Me, ‘Physician, heal yourself! Whatever we heard was done at Capernaum, do here in your hometown as well.’”24And He said, “Truly I say to you, no prophet is welcome in his hometown.25“But I say to you in truth, there were many widows in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the sky was shut up for three years and six months, when a great famine came over all the land;26and yet Elijah was sent to none of them, but only to Zarephath, in the land of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow.27“And there were many lepers in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, but only Naaman the Syrian.”28And all the people in the synagogue were filled with rage as they heard these things;29and they got up and drove Him out of the city, and led Him to the brow of the hill on which their city had been built, in order to throw Him down the cliff.30But passing through their midst, He went His way.

In the days of Elias - See this history, 1 Kings 17:1-9, compared with 1 Kings 18:1-45. This was evidently a miraculous interference, as no rain fell for three years and six months, even in the rainy seasons. There were two of these in Judea, called the first and the latter rains; the first fell in October, the latter in April: the first prepared the ground for the seed, the latter ripened the harvest. As both these rains were withheld, consequently there was a great famine throughout all the land.
Clarke

okay...WHy did Jesus put that part right in the middle of The Introduction of Who He was and what He had come for?
hmm......
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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uh....if it wasn't his final trip, why did He say it this way?

“Go and tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course."

that's an odd way of saying i finish this trip before my next one.

but it's not that important.
in the context jesus was addressing the threat posed by herod...and basically brushing it off...saying his itinerary will remain the same regardless of herod's malice...
 

zone

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in the context jesus was addressing the threat posed by herod...and basically brushing it off...saying his itinerary will remain the same regardless of herod's malice...
okay. thx rachel.
i'll look into it some more
 
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forget prophecy for a minute.
God clearly used a day for a year (vice versa). on more than one occsassion.

Numbers 14
26The Lord said to Moses and Aaron: 27“How long will this wicked community grumble against me? I have heard the complaints of these grumbling Israelites. 28So tell them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Lord, I will do to you the very thing I heard you say: 29In this wilderness your bodies will fall—every one of you twenty years old or more who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me. 30Not one of you will enter the land I swore with uplifted hand to make your home, except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun. 31As for your children that you said would be taken as plunder, I will bring them in to enjoy the land you have rejected. 32But as for you, your bodies will fall in this wilderness. 33Your children will be shepherds here for forty years, suffering for your unfaithfulness, until the last of your bodies lies in the wilderness. 34For forty years—one year for each of the forty days you explored the land—you will suffer for your sins and know what it is like to have me against you.’ 35I, the Lord, have spoken, and I will surely do these things to this whole wicked community, which has banded together against me. They will meet their end in this wilderness; here they will die.”



they got punished a year for every day the spies were away searching the land and came back with their evil report.
unless i'm missing something here.
this was a decree of punishment...one year of wandering for every day of spying...

the forty days had already passed...they were not in the future...the punishment corresponding to the forty days was the only thing about this that was in the future...

so there is no room for a 'day year principle' interpretation here...God didn't say 'forty days you will wander' to mean they would wander for forty years...
 
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and unless this means something other than what it says, old ezekiel had lie down on one side, then other other for days which equaled years, as a visual prophecy to the people about their rebellion and captivity:

Ezekiel 4
1“Now, son of man, take a block of clay, put it in front of you and draw the city of Jerusalem on it. 2Then lay siege to it: Erect siege works against it, build a ramp up to it, set up camps against it and put battering rams around it. 3Then take an iron pan, place it as an iron wall between you and the city and turn your face toward it. It will be under siege, and you shall besiege it. This will be a sign to the people of Israel.

4“Then lie on your left side and put the sin of the people of Israel upon yourself.a You are to bear their sin for the number of days you lie on your side. 5I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin. So for 390 days you will bear the sin of the people of Israel.

6“After you have finished this, lie down again, this time on your right side, and bear the sin of the people of Judah. I have assigned you 40 days, a day for each year. 7Turn your face toward the siege of Jerusalem and with bared arm prophesy against her. 8I will tie you up with ropes so that you cannot turn from one side to the other until you have finished the days of your siege.

??
this one works similarly to the passage in numbers...

ezekiel is dramatically acting out a model of the times of israel's and judah's sins...with one day in ezekiel's representation standing for one year of real time...this 'scaling' was necessary since for obvious reasons ezekiel couldn't have maintained his illustration for 530 actual years...

but just like in numbers...these years had already taken place...they were not still in the future...the only part that is 'future' in ezekiel 4 is when ezekiel actually carries out God's instructions...

so there is no room for a 'day year principle' interpretation here either...

nowhere in the bible does God measure future time periods in days expecting us to interpret these days as years...doing so only results in false prophecy such as the 1844 prediction or the 1948 view...
 
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In the days of Elias - See this history, 1 Kings 17:1-9, compared with 1 Kings 18:1-45. This was evidently a miraculous interference, as no rain fell for three years and six months, even in the rainy seasons. There were two of these in Judea, called the first and the latter rains; the first fell in October, the latter in April: the first prepared the ground for the seed, the latter ripened the harvest. As both these rains were withheld, consequently there was a great famine throughout all the land.
Clarke

okay...WHy did Jesus put that part right in the middle of The Introduction of Who He was and what He had come for?
hmm......
to me it just looks like detail given for the sake of being thorough...something which was not uncommon back then...