Jesus and Paul -two different gospels?
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Sure we do. Here's but one example:
Matthew 12:33-35 NKJV - "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit. "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things."
Matthew 12:33-35 NKJV - "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit. "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things."
then the Jews should have read their own prophets. Isaiah. Jeremiah. Ezekiel. Abel. every one of them testified of the Messiah and His suffering & glory. what is the book of Job? why does Genesis 3 say The Seed would have His heel bitten?
you can say, oh, we have benefit of hindsight. but we will know all these things when He comes to take us to Himself. will we have a 'different salvation' when we realize the full extent? no, we will only understand the very same gospel, better than we do now.
you can say, oh, we have benefit of hindsight. but we will know all these things when He comes to take us to Himself. will we have a 'different salvation' when we realize the full extent? no, we will only understand the very same gospel, better than we do now.
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Since the Gospel means 'Good News' - What is Good News to a dying mortal? The "good news" is about the kingdom. To the first century populace "seeing" and "entering" would be the same. It will not always be so.
The kingdom gospel tells us that Jesus is the hope for the whole world. Not just to those currently saved and called. He will come and take over rulership and show us proper governing.
Dan. 2:44 "And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever."
Rev. 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."
The kingdom gospel tells us that Jesus is the hope for the whole world. Not just to those currently saved and called. He will come and take over rulership and show us proper governing.
Dan. 2:44 "And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever."
Rev. 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."
All who were saved in the OT were saved exactly as we are today . . . for, what about Abraham? He was saved exactly the same way that we're saved; that's why Abraham is our Father of Faith. And this is why we must possess his same form of Faith. The Faith of a Circumcised Heart . . . an Effectual Faith that causes the Children of God to obey, just as Abraham obeyed.
Galatians 3:8-9 NLT - "What's more, the Scriptures looked forward to this time when God would declare the Gentiles to be righteous because of their faith. God proclaimed this good news to Abraham long ago when he said, "All nations will be blessed through you." 9 So all who put their faith in Christ share the same blessing Abraham received because of his faith."
Galatians 3:8-9 NLT - "What's more, the Scriptures looked forward to this time when God would declare the Gentiles to be righteous because of their faith. God proclaimed this good news to Abraham long ago when he said, "All nations will be blessed through you." 9 So all who put their faith in Christ share the same blessing Abraham received because of his faith."
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Paul tells us here:
0 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
0 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
i don't believe it was ever going to happen. Jesus=God was not expecting it or planning it or hoping for it. in fact He hid Himself from them when the multitudes wanted to make Him king.
this scenario is like saying "IF Israel had kept the law they would have received the blessings instead of the curses" -- it was never going to happen; IMO He gave them exactly the law He gave them with all of its blood and separations and judgements because they had proven themselves unfaithful from the moment they left Egypt. Moses knew they would not keep God's commands and that they would become idolatrous as soon as they stepped foot in Canaan - he explicitly said so in his last days with them, Deuteronomy 31:24-29
so i hear this, that they were on some precipice of changing the course of all history, but failed to make the decision, and i'm like, i don't think so. i think God their King came to them as The Servant, the Bread, The True Manna, just like He had sent the manna in the wilderness. not to see what they would do; to prove what they would do. He knew. and that's why He came in order to die, not to reign.
this scenario is like saying "IF Israel had kept the law they would have received the blessings instead of the curses" -- it was never going to happen; IMO He gave them exactly the law He gave them with all of its blood and separations and judgements because they had proven themselves unfaithful from the moment they left Egypt. Moses knew they would not keep God's commands and that they would become idolatrous as soon as they stepped foot in Canaan - he explicitly said so in his last days with them, Deuteronomy 31:24-29
so i hear this, that they were on some precipice of changing the course of all history, but failed to make the decision, and i'm like, i don't think so. i think God their King came to them as The Servant, the Bread, The True Manna, just like He had sent the manna in the wilderness. not to see what they would do; to prove what they would do. He knew. and that's why He came in order to die, not to reign.
This couldn't happen, for the Lord had an Almighty Plan that would be, is being, and will continue to be fulfilled. That's how Powerful our God is! 
Ephesians 3:1-13 KJV - "For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. 13 Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory."
Ephesians 3:1-13 KJV - "For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. 13 Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory."