Jesus as King?

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God the Father is on the throne in heaven, and Jesus the prince is seated at His right hand.
That's my point, Scripture does not make the same claim as you are interjecting. Standing and seated are 2 very different processes. Are you claiming the Father added a chair after Isiah described the Throne Room? Why are you interjecting? ON the right hand and AT the right hand are 2 very different actions. I go by Scripture, not by assumption.
 
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I believe the reference “the man Christ Jesus” tells us He is still a man with flesh and bone.

I believe this description is for the JEWS being spoken to (they know WHO they crucified). And this still does not mean Jesus is in human flesh in Heaven, He is after all, in "Full Glory."
 

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That's my point, Scripture does not make the same claim as you are interjecting. Standing and seated are 2 very different processes. Are you claiming the Father added a chair after Isiah described the Throne Room? Why are you interjecting? ON the right hand and AT the right hand are 2 very different actions. I go by Scripture, not by assumption.
Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured thecross, despising the shame, and is set down at theright hand of the throne of God.

Ephesians 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in theheavenly places,

Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
 

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I believe this description is for the JEWS being spoken to (they know WHO they crucified). And this still does not mean Jesus is in human flesh in Heaven, He is after all, in "Full Glory."
For the Jews? In the letter to Timothy? It’s a statement of fact.
 
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Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured thecross, despising the shame, and is set down at theright hand of the throne of God.

Ephesians 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in theheavenly places,

Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


Amen!

but we were discussing Stephen and what he claimed to be seeing in the Book of Acts.


Even Hebrews 12:2 (at the right hand of the throne of God), explains "One" Throne of God.

Makes you wonder what Jesus is sitting on since it is not a Throne.
 
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For the Jews? In the letter to Timothy? It’s a statement of fact.
The "man" Jesus was well known to many on Earth. Does not mean He is still flesh and bone in Heaven.

Tell me, when the Spirit (the WORD) hovered over the Earth before creation, was He flesh or Spirit? Genesis claims Spirit. Why would the WORD (Spirit) still be flesh in Heaven?
 
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We know Jesus made many appearances in human form all throughout the Bible. From meeting Abraham as Melchizedek, to meeting him again to destroy Sodom, to meeting Moses, meeting Joshua, the 4th man in the furnace, to being the Messiah. It seems He is "only flesh" on Earth, like when He returns for Armageddon as King of kings and Lord of lords. But this still does not mean in Heaven He is not in Spirit Form as the WORD.
 
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Jesus even claims God is a Spirit, well, we know the WORD is a Spirit as well who became flesh for our Salvation. The Holy Spirit is a Spirit. They are ALL Spirit.
 
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And the reason I specifically used Stephen, was because he was an eyewitness. to God's Throne Room.

The other verses are inspired. But then again, we are reading a 3 time translation of Aramaic to Greek to Latin Vulgate to English.
 

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Amen!

but we were discussing Stephen and what he claimed to be seeing in the Book of Acts.


Even Hebrews 12:2 (at the right hand of the throne of God), explains "One" Throne of God.

Makes you wonder what Jesus is sitting on since it is not a Throne.
Yes, I compare this to Jesus standing ready to return as Judge in James 5.

9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.

I believe Jesus was standing ready to return as Judge if they would have received the preaching of Stephen.
 

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The "man" Jesus was well known to many on Earth. Does not mean He is still flesh and bone in Heaven.

Tell me, when the Spirit (the WORD) hovered over the Earth before creation, was He flesh or Spirit? Genesis claims Spirit. Why would the WORD (Spirit) still be flesh in Heaven?
That’s the Holy Spirit hovering in Genesis. Do you believe in the trinity?
 
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Yes, I compare this to Jesus standing ready to return as Judge in James 5.

9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.

I believe Jesus was standing ready to return as Judge if they would have received the preaching of Stephen.

This would mean that Jesus knew the time and day of His return. In Matthew 24, He claims otherwise. Why would Jesus be prepared for "Judgement" basically 60 days after ascending into Heaven? That would have been a waste of "sacrifice" for us Gentiles.
 

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Why would Jesus be prepared for "Judgement" basically 60 days after ascending into Heaven? That would have been a waste of "sacrifice" for us Gentiles.
Not really, then the nation of Israel as a whole could have been the light to the Gentiles, Jerusalem being that city on a hill.
 
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That’s the Holy Spirit hovering in Genesis. Do you believe in the trinity?


My bad, i used the wrong reference. The WORD is God who said, "Let there be light."

I was thinking about the Holy Spirit implanted the seed of God into Mary, and as result, the WORD became flesh in the form of a child.

And yes of course, God is Triune.
 
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Not really, then the nation of Israel as a whole could have been the light to the Gentiles, Jerusalem being that city on a hill.

Interesting concept.
All throughout the Torah (Old Testament), we clearly see how the Hebrews/Jews believed the Gentiles were scum and basically meant to keep the fires of hell burning. I think it is a big stretch to believe your concept. And Jesus would had known prior to Stephen's sermon those Jews were going to refuse it. but I do like your attempt at what you're thinking.
 
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Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

At the Lord’s second coming, the kingdoms of this world will become His. Currently, they are in Satan’s.

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Jesus refused because He knew they would eventually be given over to Him.
This happens in the new heavens and earth.
 

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This happens in the new heavens and earth.
Just curious, in your opinion, when does Matthew 25 ocurr?

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Do you see these as separate events? Separate comings of the Lord?

Revelation 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
 
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Just curious, in your opinion, when does Matthew 25 ocurr?

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Do you see these as separate events? Separate comings of the Lord?

Revelation 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
This is the judgment before he destroys the earth by fire.
 

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This is the judgment before he destroys the earth by fire.
It is the judgment of nations, not individuals. See Matthew 25.

Does not the book of revelation have the thousand year reign of Christ after this judgment?

Revelation 19 the Lord returns and judges the nations.
Revelation 20 the thousand year reign of Christ followed by the battle of Megiddo when Satan is released. Then the destruction of the earth followed by the GWTJ.
 
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It is the judgment of nations, not individuals. See Matthew 25.

Does not the book of revelation have the thousand year reign of Christ after this judgment?

Revelation 19 the Lord returns and judges the nations.
Revelation 20 the thousand year reign of Christ followed by the battle of Megiddo when Satan is released. Then the destruction of the earth followed by the GWTJ.
Nations = gentiles = all people at the time Jesus spoke this.