Jesus Christ is not in the Bible!!!

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zone

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Nope, I don't believe that either. It's commonly refered to as "carnal christians"..
ya.
that horrid corruption on Romans 8.
the super-christian sinless ones love that.

you're either lost or saved, according to Romans 8. and if you're saved its God's doing.
 

lil_christian

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Ok, so, I think I have found the Greek AND Hebrew origin but I'm not sure. IF I'm correct the Greek origin means in 'boiling with zeal'

Quote from another site: The primitive Hebrew root which underpins the word 'Jealous' is qânâ' (H7065). The meaning of it is zealous, jealous or envious. The etymology of the word is disputed. Wilson believes it comes from being 'inflamed' or 'red' citing Schultens. Unger & White specifically disavow that derivation suggesting instead it means to be 'intensely competitive'.
The latter suggestion may well fit correctly with the first usage of the word although careful reading of the context is required to see this. The word first occurs in Gen 26:14-
Gen 26:14 For he had possession of flocks, and possession of herds, and great store of servants: and the Philistines envied him.
Gen 26:15 For all the wells which his father's servants had digged in the days of Abraham his father, the Philistines had stopped them, and filled them with earth.



At first glance this use of qânâ' rendered envied is simple material greed: Isaac had possessions which the Philistines would like. However verse 15 paints a different picture: the Philistines were not focused upon acquiring those possessions for themselves - they were focused to preventing Isaac's growth. It is quite possible that they wanted to prevent Isaac from growing too strong rather than growing stronger themselves. - End of quote

Soo that's all I got.
 

lil_christian

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It is if you are simply reciting words off a bit of paper. It's not genuine.
At five I WAS able to read but I never read it off of a piece of paper. And when I did it, I meant every word I said. The fact I WANTED to do it gave it genuineness, that it's not empty words on a piece of paper, it actually MEANT something to me when I said it (and it still does hold meaning to me).
 

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It is if you are simply reciting words off a bit of paper. It's not genuine.
What about your typical marriage vows? Is that worthless too? Usually everyone who gets married says 'em. You're just reciting what the pastor told you to say.
 

zone

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It is if you are simply reciting words off a bit of paper. It's not genuine.
we can thank the man who declared " SALVATION IS MAN'S WORK!"

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Although widely accepted as institutions of “traditional” evangelicalism, the altar call and the sinner’s prayer did not always enjoy such favor. When first introduced in the early 19th century, these innovative practices provoked great controversy and debate. However, as revival meetings and evangelistic rallies brought in thousands of new converts and those numbers were reported in the newspapers of the day, it became increasingly difficult to argue with success. The large numbers of converts were pointed to as undeniable proof of God’s blessing upon these “new methods” (as they were called at the time). Those who opposed them were labeled as “anti-revival men” who were “working against the Spirit.” The altar call and the sinner’s prayer did not win the day because of some new theological insight but on the pragmatic basis of success. Why would you want to oppose something that works? People are coming to Christ, aren’t they?

Since the altar call and sinner’s prayer were defended on the basis of success, one might think that if they proved to be unsuccessful, then people would stop using them. Not so. As Charles Finney and other “new methods” revival preachers went back to visit the areas where they had led large numbers of people to Christ in years previous, they found little change. Very few converts of these revivals had gone on to join churches or to continue in the Christian faith. Looking back at the results of his ministry, Finney had this to say:

I was often instrumental in bringing Christians under great conviction, and into a state of temporary repentance and faith . . . . [But] falling short of urging them up to a point, where they would become so acquainted with Christ as to abide in Him, they would of course soon relapse into their former state.

How did the Sinner?s Prayer become so Popular?
 
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At five I WAS able to read but I never read it off of a piece of paper. And when I did it, I meant every word I said. The fact I WANTED to do it gave it genuineness, that it's not empty words on a piece of paper, it actually MEANT something to me when I said it (and it still does hold meaning to me).
Did you have any idea what Jesus did? What the good news was?

When you were 5?
 
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What about your typical marriage vows? Is that worthless too? Usually everyone who gets married says 'em. You're just reciting what the pastor told you to say.
They are meaningful vows. They are promises to your spouse in front of God.

Your not just reciting. At least I didnt.
 

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Did you have any idea what Jesus did? What the good news was?

When you were 5?
When I was three or four, I was always told the basics. That Jesus loves me...I was given the basic Bible stories and stuff. And when I was 4 I actually said no (mostly because I thought if I accepted Jesus I'd automatically would go to heaven and when I was five I was able to understand more.).

So yes, I did understand when I was 5. Mom and Dad told me that Jesus had died for the sins of the world on a cross, and that Jesus died for me. And they asked if I understood that, and I said yes. They asked me if I wanted to accept Jesus and ask Him to come into my heart and I said yes. And so I repeated after my mom the prayer admitting that I was a sinner, and that I needed Jesus. I knew exactly what I was doing. My sisters even got baptized at an early age, not because they were forced, but because they knew exactly what they were doing. I've yet to be baptized, but that's something different.
 

lil_christian

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They are meaningful vows. They are promises to your spouse in front of God.

Your not just reciting. At least I didnt.
And so how do you know that when people recite the sinners prayer, they don't really mean it? Some people actually take that prayer quite seriously.
 
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When I was three or four, I was always told the basics. That Jesus loves me...I was given the basic Bible stories and stuff. And when I was 4 I actually said no (mostly because I thought if I accepted Jesus I'd automatically would go to heaven and when I was five I was able to understand more.).

So yes, I did understand when I was 5. Mom and Dad told me that Jesus had died for the sins of the world on a cross, and that Jesus died for me. And they asked if I understood that, and I said yes. They asked me if I wanted to accept Jesus and ask Him to come into my heart and I said yes. And so I repeated after my mom the prayer admitting that I was a sinner, and that I needed Jesus. I knew exactly what I was doing. My sisters even got baptized at an early age, not because they were forced, but because they knew exactly what they were doing. I've yet to be baptized, but that's something different.
Fair enough.

Can you imagine there maybe people who recite a sinners prayer and think they are saved but who wern't as fortunate as you and told the basics from an early age?
 

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Now, I know the sinner's prayer isn't THE prayer. Because anyone can pray whatever they want to pray. Prayer is talking to Jesus. And so think of it....Jesus actually wants us to talk to Him! And so when you talk to Him saying "Please forgive me, Jesus! I've sinned against you!" isn't He willing to forgive?
 
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And so how do you know that when people recite the sinners prayer, they don't really mean it? Some people actually take that prayer quite seriously.
Thats what concerns me. Reciting a prayer off a peice of paper in a ritual is not the same as genuinely accepting Christ as Lord and Saviour.
 
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Now, I know the sinner's prayer isn't THE prayer. Because anyone can pray whatever they want to pray. Prayer is talking to Jesus. And so think of it....Jesus actually wants us to talk to Him! And so when you talk to Him saying "Please forgive me, Jesus! I've sinned against you!" isn't He willing to forgive?
Nope. Not if you are just reciting the words.
 

lil_christian

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Fair enough.

Can you imagine there maybe people who recite a sinners prayer and think they are saved but who weren't as fortunate as you and told the basics from an early age?
Well, if they were witnessed to, they would have been given the basics right there. And since they would be older, they'd still be able to understand it. So if someone prays that prayer and they have confidence they're saved, and they seek God, are they not saved?
 
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Well, if they were witnessed to, they would have been given the basics right there. And since they would be older, they'd still be able to understand it. So if someone prays that prayer and they have confidence they're saved, and they seek God, are they not saved?
There is no point arguing with them.. I opened another thread about this, and they all have nothing to say...